How to respond to someone who place his feelings above reason?

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No where in the Bible old or new does it mention converting people…

So any Christian trying to convert or argue why a non believer should believe is doing so for their own reasons… NOT God’s.

God loves everyone full stop.

Christ never converted anyone. Thousands of pages of scriptures and no where did Jesus convert anyone. Nor did King David.

Spreading the holy word is completely different.

A Priest does not convert people.
A Priest is open to all Souls and his Job is to look after them Souls with zeal.
 
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englands123 said:
No where in the Bible old or new does it mention converting people…
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Except in Matthew’s Gospel where Jesus tells the apostles to “go out, make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them all I have commanded you to observe.” And the Book of Acts where it talks about thousands of people being added to the Church at the preaching of Peter. And the travels of Paul. And many, many, many other places.
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So any Christian trying to convert or argue why a non believer should believe is doing so for their own reasons… NOT God’s.
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Not necessarily, and you shouldn’t presume to know anyone’s heart.
englands123 said:
God loves everyone full stop.
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And according to the Bible he desires that all men be saved and come to knowledge of the truth, so that would seem to imply turning away from falsehood and toward truth, which is also known as conversion.
englands123 said:
Christ never converted anyone.
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That’s funny, I seem to remember reading several stories of more and more followers coming after him…
englands123 said:
Spreading the holy word is completely different.
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How is that different? We’re not supposed to convert people, but we are supposed to spread the word of God? Toward what end?
englands123 said:
A Priest does not convert people.
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Tell that to all the people I’ve baptized, and whose confessions I’ve heard after long absences from the faith. Tell that to the people who decided to get their act together because I just happened to listen to God and say just the right thing in a homily. Tell that to my parents, one of whom got an annulment and married the other in the Church after putting it off for two decades, the other of whom joined the church, mostly because I was even thinking about becoming a priest.
englands123 said:
A Priest is open to all Souls and his Job is to look after them Souls with zeal.
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You’ve said exactly one thing I agree with. The rest is nonsensical. I am open to correction if perhaps I’ve misunderstood you, however.

-Fr ACEGC
 
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I will not argue with you Fr.
Jesus came to save sinners. To give testimony to the truth.

He choose the 12 disciples very carefully even Judas… He never converted them…

When he sent them out the 72 with the Holy Spirit , they was to harvest NOT convert.
 
I will ask you this simple question.

Is it the job of a priest to convert a non believer yes or no ?

Or does the person come to you…
 
englands123 said:
Jesus came to save sinners.
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By converting them.
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To give testimony to the truth.
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And when people turn to the truth and believe in it, this is called conversion.
englands123 said:
He never converted them…
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Except for how they were all observant Jews before Jesus, and after he Ascended into heaven they were something else.
englands123 said:
When he sent them out the 72 with the Holy Spirit , they was to harvest NOT convert.
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What do you think harvest means?
 
He’s talking about when you go out in public or hang out with friends that are not catholic. He wants to know if it’s your solemn duty to convert those persons. I talk about my faith with my friends and we all just understand “hey, he’s catholic ok cool” but do we have to convert them…
 
Do you not think Jesus who is God could not convert everyone if he so wished…

Of course he could… Nothing is impossible through God.

He allowed free will… He allowed people to turn away.

To think otherwise is to underestimate the power of God.
 
Englands123, I think you’re rather playing word games, suggesting that Jesus didn’t “convert” people perhaps because Jesus didn’t say “convert people.”

However, the practical effect of his commands were for the apostles to do precisely that.

I don’t always agree with some of what Fr. Edward George writes, but I believe everything he’s said in response to you is 100% correct.
 
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If a person does not want to believe in God. Then so be it.

All we can do is try to guide them and pray for them.

Not judge them.

Jesus could have converted the whole world if he wanted to. But he didn’t.

Only he knows the answer to that question.
 
Jesus had many friends who were unbelievers.

So that is untrue to say otherwise.
 
But it’s not your job to go to them is my point Fr with all due respect.
 
Sorry I did not mean to be rude Fr.

All I know is a priest is not allowed to turn away any soul who comes to him for help.

Believer or unbeliever.
 
I don’t believe that I said I would or in any way implied it. The work of bringing souls to faith and that of helping those in need are not mutually exclusive. I can do both.

Apology accepted.
 
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