How to show DH using "ABC" is not Catholic?

[yessisan]

How can I explain to DH that if a Catholic uses ABC, this person is not considered Catholic by the CC? I tried looking for texts on the CCC but had no luck. (I heard this from a Cardinal’s mouth on tv when that deal with the legalized abortion was going on in Mexico City).

He got a call from his parents yesterday and they were asking him when we were going to have children, and when DH said we couldn’t have any at this moment for various reasons, they asked if I was contracepting. Both his parents are Catholic, DH is a JW. He was telling me his mother used ABC and that his sister had a tubal done (for no reason other than to contracept).

He said that because the Church says you’re not Catholic, and you believe you’re a Catholic, you necessarily don’t disqualify as being a Catholic. Am I making any sense? How can one person go against CC authority and still call themselves Catholic?

I tried explaing to him in a JW example, but I had no luck. All he said to me that the more I know about Catholicism, I criticize more. I don’t criticize, I was just telling him that contracepting is 100% against the CC (I did find 2 paragraphs on contraception on the CCC, but it wasn’t enough proof).

 

[newbetx]

Sounds like denial… I did/do that at times…

“Theology of the Body” should do it. Christopher West has digested versions of it for us non-theologens. So do others. Read and learn!

 

[yessisan]

Sounds like denial… I did/do that at times…

“Theology of the Body” should do it. Christopher West has digested versions of it for us non-theologens. So do others. Read and learn!

I just wonder if this is translated into Spanish so I could have DH read it. But maybe I should just let it go, we’re using NFP and I shouldn’t give him more reasons if he’s accepting that ABC is harmful to the body.

 

[canne]

How can I explain to DH that if a Catholic uses ABC, this person is not considered Catholic by the CC? I tried looking for texts on the CCC but had no luck.

I don’t know if I believe that this is quite true. Yes, one using birth control would have committed a sin in doing so, in fact mortally sinful if done with full knowledge and deliberate consent (CCC 1857). But “not considered” Catholic by the Church?
I think it would be more accurate to say one was in a state of mortal sin (not a good thing-in fact a VERY bad thing), but Catholic nonetheless?

 

[mark_a]

How can I explain to DH that if a Catholic uses ABC, this person is not considered Catholic by the CC? I tried looking for texts on the CCC but had no luck. (I heard this from a Cardinal’s mouth on tv when that deal with the legalized abortion was going on in Mexico City).

He got a call from his parents yesterday and they were asking him when we were going to have children, and when DH said we couldn’t have any at this moment for various reasons, they asked if I was contracepting. Both his parents are Catholic, DH is a JW. He was telling me his mother used ABC and that his sister had a tubal done (for no reason other than to contracept).

He said that because the Church says you’re not Catholic, and you believe you’re a Catholic, you necessarily don’t disqualify as being a Catholic. Am I making any sense? How can one person go against CC authority and still call themselves Catholic?

I tried explaing to him in a JW example, but I had no luck. All he said to me that the more I know about Catholicism, I criticize more. I don’t criticize, I was just telling him that contracepting is 100% against the CC (I did find 2 paragraphs on contraception on the CCC, but it wasn’t enough proof).

If I’m reading this correctly and your husband is a JW, you’ve got a problem. He basically has a different God to answer to than you do.

I was told once by a devout JW that abortion is a sin, but birth control is a personal decision one can decide for himself any way he wants. If this is incorrect, please let me know.

 

[yessisan]

I was told once by a devout JW that abortion is a sin, but birth control is a personal decision one can decide for himself any way he wants. If this is incorrect, please let me know.

You’ve got your info correctly. They allow contraception and they leave it up to your “conscience” to decide whether or not to contracept. However, if it causes an “obvious” abortion as IUDs and morning after pill, they are against it.

 

[kage_ar]

Here is my two cents. IF his argument is that you should be using ABC, then show DH the portions of the CCC, and say “it says these things are grave” - husband, I am not going to sin.

When his mom or other family members ask about your intimate life with your husband, tell them that is a private matter. If DH is trying to prove/discover if his mom or other family members are sinning, just let that go. Not the kind of interfamily debate you really want to get into. Leave it to “the CCC says this, so, I’m going to follow it”.

Praying for you!!

 

[mark_a]

They allow contraception and they leave it up to your “conscience” to decide whether or not to contracept. However, if it causes an “obvious” abortion as IUDs and morning after pill, they are against it.

Has this teaching been revised since the early eighties? I don’t remember my friend mentioning iud’s, but then again, it was 25 years ago.

I’ll cut him some slack for not mentioning the morning after pill.