How to show that voting for Trump doesn't make one a racist?

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IWantGod said:
A vote for Hillary Clinton was a vote for this:
nytimes.com/2016/06/28/us/supreme-court-texas-abortion.html

So that happened because of Hillary Clinton and would not happen with the trump presidency?
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Trump has said he would nominate judges who would be similar to Scalia. In one of the debates, Hillary implied she wanted justices who would implement her vision of social justice…which includes overturning the Hyde amendment and uphold Roe V Wade. Not to mention her undying support for Planned Parenthood. She also has no issue with the slicing and dicing of the unborn, even right before birth.
IWantGod said:
So voters of trump tacitly support racism and whatever evil vice that trump supports?
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I weighed the murder of 700,000 unborn babies higher than other issues. How about you???
IWantGod said:
That doesn’t mean that trump was the right choice.
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Which is why I didn’t vote for Trump in the primary. Who did you vote for in the primary?
 
Ben_Sinner said:
I haven’t fully researched all of what Trumps view are towards different people, but it seems like the majority of people believe him to be a racist, xenophobic, homophobic, and a misogynist.

There are two common arguments made by the anti-Trump group to try to justify their rage towards the results of the election and to those who voted for Trump (or just didn’t vote for Hilary).
  1. “If you vote for Trump. You are a racist.”
Now a rebuttal to that would be that the voter wasn’t voting for Trump in order to be racist. They were voting because they are pro-life, want to repeal Obamacare, want to de-legalize gay marriage, etc.

BUT

Then they will use this argument.
  1. “You may not be voting for Trump because you are racist, but your vote acknowledges that racism isn’t a deal breaker”
This is a nicer and more indirect way of accusing a Trump supporter of being racist.

I didn’t vote for Trump (I voted for Mike Maturen), but I know a lot of sincere, God-fearing Catholics who did vote for him and I know they aren’t racist. They just want to protect the unborn and keep the sanctity of marriage.

How would one show that Argument #2 is a false generalization?
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Trump was all BUT explicitly endorsed by many Catholics on EWTN radio on different grounds, that supposedly he would appoint pro-life judges to the Supreme Court. First, a person does not need to tell anyone how they voted or to justify it. Second, there are so many laws against racial discrimination that Trump would be severely handicapped by any overt attempts at racial discrimination by him. Third, there are a lot of racists in the US, and it is illogical to isolate any group as the only racists in the country. Many or most ethnic and racial groups are very defensive about their identities and often you can find racists in all of them.
 
ArielRussu said:
I don’t think one can have an adult conversation or debate reason with the type of people who argue with the type of logic you are describing in #2. Common sense is outside the comprehensive ability for the brains of liberal idiots. Common sense overloads there brain and makes it explode from logic. For example, how do you argue with someone who claim that if a black person votes for Trump, that means that person hates black people?
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shockerfan said:
Trump has said he would nominate judges who would be similar to Scalia. In one of the debates, Hillary implied she wanted justices who would implement her vision of social justice…which includes overturning the Hyde amendment and uphold Roe V Wade. Not to mention her undying support for Planned Parenthood. She also has no issue with the slicing and dicing of the unborn, even right before birth.
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Okay. But can she actually do all those things?
I weighed the murder of 700,000 unborn babies higher than other issues. How about you???
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I just think in a situation where no change is possible, What is the pro life vote actually worth?

If votes don’t actually change the situation, then what are catholics voting for. Are you voting to prevent 700,000 abortions?
Which is why I didn’t vote for Trump in the primary. Who did you vote for in the primary?
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I’m from the UK:p
 
dshix said:
Trump was in the public eye for decades before he ran for president, yet no one felt any need to call him a racist until he ran for president.

That’s all the proof I need.
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He wasn’t spewing hateful vitriol from his mouth prior to his Presidential run.

As to the OP: You are gonna be called a racist no matter what, until the election fades back and life normalizes again. Getting name-called is part of life. Head up and full stop.

God Bless and ICXC NIKA
 
Is it true that Saint Aquinas said that a fetus is not a person?!!!
 
GEddie said:
He wasn’t spewing hateful vitriol from his mouth prior to his Presidential run.

As to the OP: You are gonna be called a racist no matter what, until the election fades back and life normalizes again. Getting name-called is part of life. Head up and full stop.

God Bless and ICXC NIKA
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I am quite young, but I do remember reading articles long ago, about how Trump is racist (well not KKK racist, but subtle racism that is very common) ???

And yup. Don’t argue, stop talking about politics and move on. Things will be normal once again…assuming that the government won’t do anything that will stir up these feelings.

If you want to show that you are not racist, show it by your actions, stand up for them, acknowledge their struggles etc. That’s honestly more important than trying to defend your vote 🙂
 
Lea101 said:
I am quite young, but I do remember reading articles long ago, about how Trump is racist (well not KKK racist, but subtle racism that is very common) ???

And yup. Don’t argue, stop talking about politics and move on. Things will be normal once again…assuming that the government won’t do anything that will stir up these feelings.

If you want to show that you are not racist, show it by your actions, stand up for them, acknowledge their struggles etc. That’s honestly more important than trying to defend your vote 🙂
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I don’t think I have ever read or heard that he is racist and I am not young. I am sure I would have remembered reading anything like that.
I didn’t vote for Obama in 2008 or 2012 and was considered a racist and I voted for Trump this time and still considered a racist which I find very offensive when I am voting for whom I believe to be the best person for the job. I don’t vote on emotion - we need an African american or a woman - those are not the right reasons to choose a candidate.
The liberals love to bully you if you don’t see the world as they do, hence the hissyfit we are seeing now!
 
IWantGod said:
Is it true that Saint Aquinas said that a fetus is not a person?!!!
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He may have. I haven’t studied him.

But the teachings of saints are not, per se, infallible Church doctrine in any case.

ICXC NIKA
 
IWantGod said:
Wow. These guys are Catholic and pro choice!

catholicsforchoice.org/

What do you guys think of these guys. Watch the video!
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Do your homework! CFC is not now, nor has it ever been, a Catholic organization…they represent 0.02% of the Catholic population of the US, and are funded by liberal pro-abortion organizations…to present** them** as credible brings your credibility into question…
 
Ben_Sinner said:
I haven’t fully researched all of what Trumps view are towards different people, but it seems like the majority of people believe him to be a racist, xenophobic, homophobic, and a misogynist.
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Well, I agree with two out of three of those. I think the simplest way to address it is simply to point out the logical disconnect. Voting for someone, even if they are racist, does not make you racist, any more than voting for Clinton makes one an abortionist, or for that matter, a woman, or New Yorker. You are not who you vote for.

So, then the question comes up, are you racist if racism is not a “deal-breaker”. The answer is no, at least the Catholic Church has never taught that it is. While racism is evil, there are no candidates without evil, or voters for that matter. As long as one’s reason in voting for Trump was not to support some of his immoral statements, but despite of them, then one could vote for him without having any of his immoral qualities.
 
boldlygo said:
Do your homework! CFC is not now, nor has it ever been, a Catholic organization…they represent 0.02% of the Catholic population of the US, and are funded by liberal pro-abortion organizations…to present** them** as credible brings your credibility into question…
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I never attached any credibility to them, i simply pointed out that there is an organisation of Catholics who are pro choice and asked what you think of them.
 
Ben_Sinner said:
I haven’t fully researched all of what Trumps view are towards different people, but it seems like the majority of people believe him to be a racist, xenophobic, homophobic, and a misogynist.

There are two common arguments made by the anti-Trump group to try to justify their rage towards the results of the election and to those who voted for Trump (or just didn’t vote for Hilary).
  1. “If you vote for Trump. You are a racist.”
Now a rebuttal to that would be that the voter wasn’t voting for Trump in order to be racist. They were voting because they are pro-life, want to repeal Obamacare, want to de-legalize gay marriage, etc.

BUT

Then they will use this argument.
  1. “You may not be voting for Trump because you are racist, but your vote acknowledges that racism isn’t a deal breaker”
This is a nicer and more indirect way of accusing a Trump supporter of being racist.

I didn’t vote for Trump (I voted for Mike Maturen), but I know a lot of sincere, God-fearing Catholics who did vote for him and I know they aren’t racist. They just want to protect the unborn and keep the sanctity of marriage.

How would one show that Argument #2 is a false generalization?
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I like the second one, and I am going to use it when someone says, “I will vote for (pro-abortion politician) despite their pro-abortion tendencies because I am not a single-issue voter, and I think they will do other things which are good, and besides, the pro-life pols are only pro-life during an election to get our votes and don’t do anything once elected.”

I now know I can say: You may not be pro-abortion, but your vote shows for PAP acknowledges that the murder of several hundred thousand unborn babies a year isn’t a deal-breaker. PAP may do other things which are good, but I notice that they talk a lot about the poor and disenfranchised when they are running for office, but do nothing for them while in office, which is why we still have so many poor and disenfranchised after all the years of pro-abortion–but-will-help-victims politicking.
IWantGod said:
The point is you can vote for somebody and not support there pro-abortion stance.
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shockerfan said:
Trump has said he would nominate judges who would be similar to Scalia. In one of the debates, Hillary implied she wanted justices who would implement her vision of social justice…which includes overturning the Hyde amendment and uphold Roe V Wade. Not to mention her undying support for Planned Parenthood. She also has no issue with the slicing and dicing of the unborn, even right before birth.

I weighed the murder of 700,000 unborn babies higher than other issues. How about you???

Which is why I didn’t vote for Trump in the primary. Who did you vote for in the primary?
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Was Margaret Sanger a racist?
 
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