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strngrnrth
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What would it take? Would Roe v. Wade have to go? If so, how can that be done?
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Verisimilitude
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H.R. 776 [109th]: Sanctity of Life Act of 2005
If this bill were passed it would remove abortion from the federal courts and make Roe null and void.
2/10/2005–Introduced.
Sanctity of Life Act of 2005 - Declares that: (1) human life shall be deemed to exist from conception, without regard to race, sex, age, health, defect, or condition of dependency; and (2) the term “person” shall include all such human life. Recognizes that each State has authority to protect the lives of unborn children residing in the jurisdiction of that State.
Amends the Federal judicial code to remove Supreme Court and district court jurisdiction to review cases arising out of any statute, ordinance, rule, regulation, or practice, or any act interpreting such a measure, on the grounds that such measure: (1) protects the rights of human persons between conception and birth; or (2) prohibits, limits, or regulates the performance of abortions or the provision of public funds, facilities, personnel, or other assistance for abortions.
Makes this Act applicable to any case pending on the date of enactment.
Unfortunately it has only 5 co-sponsors and can’t make it out of committee. Call your local representaive and ask them to sign on. It would be a good start to ending abortion.
If this bill were passed it would remove abortion from the federal courts and make Roe null and void.
2/10/2005–Introduced.
Sanctity of Life Act of 2005 - Declares that: (1) human life shall be deemed to exist from conception, without regard to race, sex, age, health, defect, or condition of dependency; and (2) the term “person” shall include all such human life. Recognizes that each State has authority to protect the lives of unborn children residing in the jurisdiction of that State.
Amends the Federal judicial code to remove Supreme Court and district court jurisdiction to review cases arising out of any statute, ordinance, rule, regulation, or practice, or any act interpreting such a measure, on the grounds that such measure: (1) protects the rights of human persons between conception and birth; or (2) prohibits, limits, or regulates the performance of abortions or the provision of public funds, facilities, personnel, or other assistance for abortions.
Makes this Act applicable to any case pending on the date of enactment.
Unfortunately it has only 5 co-sponsors and can’t make it out of committee. Call your local representaive and ask them to sign on. It would be a good start to ending abortion.
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Dale_M
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I know we have lawyers here, so they can probably speak to this better than I, but…
…this doesn’t sound constitutional.
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Danuska
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I think that we should do all to make people realize what abortion really is and the effect it has on women.
The overturning of Roe would have little effect at all. It would simply move the responsibility to the state legislatures.
The most efficient means to the end would be the Sanctity of Life Act of 2005. Once a citizen is recognized from conception, the government would have an obligation to protect the life.
Abortion would be ended right then and there.
Of course, getting this bill passed is the difficult part.
Without some wholesale change of heart nationwide, this bill would not stand a chance.
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strngrnrth
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Who has already signed on?
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Verisimilitude
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Sponsor: Rep. Ronald Paul [R-TX]
Cosponsors [as of 2007-01-07]
Rep. Roscoe Bartlett [R-MD]
Rep. Scott Garrett [R-NJ]
Rep. Ron Lewis [R-KY]
Rep. Jeff Miller [R-FL]
Rep. Charles Norwood [R-GA]
It may not be.
It looks like an effort to prevent the courts from overturning it on the basis that there is language in the 14th amendment specifying ‘born.’
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Fitswimmer
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Banning abortion by law will not END abortion. It would likely reduce abortion, but it will not END abortion. Abortion will only END when all people come to the knowledge that the product of sperm meeting egg means a life.
Fair enough.
But in the extreme world that this caters to, the only means of eliminating abortion is to eliminate free choice.
After all, there is no question that people are alive, yet murder still exists.
Since free will cannot be eliminated, working the law of the land is the next best alternative.
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Fitswimmer
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I made this point on the other thread…so if you’re reading both I apologize for my repeating it.
The pro-life movement needs to take a long hard look at how it works at changing the mindset of Americans regarding abortion. For years, the pro-life movement has been known for condemming, protesting, shouting insults at women going to clinics and in the extreme cases using violence or threats. Now, of couse we all know that 99% of pro-life people would never do such a thing-but that doesn’t change the opinion of mainstream America. The majority in this country support keeping abortion legal-many agree that there should be restrictions-but most want it kept legal. Changing those peoples’ minds is not going to occur if the starting point is calling them unfeeling, uncaring or supporters of murder.
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rlg94086
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"Dale_M:
It definitely isn’t constitutional, and the Supreme Court can’t overturn a constitutional amendment banning abortion from conception. They don’t have the power/authority to do that. The language just needs to be precise, so they can’t misinterpret the amendment.
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rlg94086
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So, the 99% should do what to the 1% that make us look bad? How do we stop that?
As far as keeping it legal because the majority want it legal, that is a silly point. Because the majority want it legal, it will remain legal. The only way a constitutional amendment barring abortion could possibly pass is if the majority approve.
Now, if Roe v Wade is overturned, then abortion could be banned in the states where the majority of people in the state want it banned. Surely, you aren’t against a particular state banning it, if that’s what their people want?
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strngrnrth
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Gallup.com/Poll.Abortion.aspx According to this 2007 Gallup poll, only 41% believe abortion should be legal under all or most circumstances and the most popular opinion is that it should be restricted further. It seems as if we have just a little way to go before gaining a majority. Maybe if people knew how leal abortion really is, how common it really is and about the scariest cases, they would understand it’s an important issue and take a stand?
Like the babies who are delivered alive during an atempted abortion and then left to die when their parents have changed their minds, and the ninth-month abortions, including partial-birth ones done by sticking scissors in the skull, and the abortionist who saw the Silent Scream video and never did another abortion.
Like the babies who are delivered alive during an atempted abortion and then left to die when their parents have changed their minds, and the ninth-month abortions, including partial-birth ones done by sticking scissors in the skull, and the abortionist who saw the Silent Scream video and never did another abortion.
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RodneyJ
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Abortion will never go away.
All you can do is just pray.
Overturn Roe v. Wade and you’ll just have a slight decrease in abortion with the majority opting to break the law.
All you can do is just pray.
Overturn Roe v. Wade and you’ll just have a slight decrease in abortion with the majority opting to break the law.
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rlg94086
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Well, okay then. Let’s get consensus on that with the liberal Catholics and get Roe v Wade overturned. I would love to test your theory.
As far as giving up all efforts (other than prayer) resigned to the “fact” that abortion will never go away? I don’t think so. I can pray and continue every effort I can make to help end abortion. I think we throw our hands up too often as our society continues its downward slide.
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RodneyJ
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I agree. People with your attitude can get things done. I am becoming ever more interested and thinking about getting involved in doing something to try and atleast decrease the abortion problem that our nation faces but too many times I find that we have quite a lot of keyboard warriors among us who have at every chance will jump you slam you on the internet for not being involved only to log off and then go sit in their favorite recliner. It seems depressing at times that you may be the only one who really cares.Well, okay then. Let’s get consensus on that with the liberal Catholics and get Roe v Wade overturned. I would love to test your theory.
As far as giving up all efforts (other than prayer) resigned to the “fact” that abortion will never go away? I don’t think so. I can pray and continue every effort I can make to help end abortion. I think we throw our hands up too often as our society continues its downward slide.
I think you may have read into my response more then was there.
I have condemned no one.
I am simply pointing out that the extreme that the response caters to is unrealistic. So working at changing the law of the land is the most logical approach.
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vern_humphrey
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The Constitution of the United States:
Article III, Section 2, Clause 2:
(My emphasis)
Congress can indeed forbid the court to alter or rule on certain laws and matters – and has done so in the past.
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rlg94086
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