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vern_humphrey
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I’d have to do some research on that – I recall a case or two, but it’s been a long time since I studied this particular issue.Wow…I didn’t know that.
Do you know when it was done in the past?
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allhers
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This is why Fr. Frank Pavone has a web site totally devoted to the preborn also, so he can continue to inform people. Some people seem so confused as to what abortion really is, some don’t even realize that it really is a person. Check his site out, he has two video’s on you tube now to inform people so that if they aren’t sure, they can be! The links for the you tube video’s are on this site, he wants people to know what abortion really is and then for us to ask them, now, is this what you are really *talking *about???
priestsforlife.org/
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leftistdestroye
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I think that massive demonstration and/or rallies, could do the trick. But I am not so sure that we have the support, or the will to do it. Lazy, complacent people on our side will allow it to continure full speed ahead.
It will never end, but we can remove the protection of it.
No it won’t. So many don’t care already. The best that we can hope for, as already pointed out, is a reduction. And I’ll take that any day!
I think that massive demonstration and/or rallies, could do the trick. But I am not so sure that we have the support, or the will to do it. Lazy, complacent people on our side will allow it to continure full speed ahead.
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Verisimilitude
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Americans have something unique to accompany our inate sense to preserve life from conception to natural death that transcends politics. Why the question of ‘when does human life begin’ need to be asked shows how far we have legislated ourselves away from our natural instinct.
It is absurd to suggest the Sanctity of Life 2005 Act would be un-Constitutional. What in the Constitution allows SCOTUS to declare a law not legislated by Congress as Roe v Wade? What clause of the Constitution or Amendment defines human life to be non-human at any point? Congress makes the law, not the President or the Courts. Roe should be overturned right now on that alone.
The Act would rightly remove and not permit the Federal Courts to rule on an issue they have no authority to judge. The words/concept of ‘life’ and ‘liberty’ are given by God without restriction to all people and our founding documents, our law, recognizes that and specifically identifies those basic human rights to Americans. Our legal system used to be a place we went for a fair hearing if accused of a transgression as humans are wont to do to each other. Our life and liberty(property) are to be defended by the government, not hounded by until we give up passively as we do now with the illigimate 16th Amenment, and costly but ineffective social wars of poverty and drugs. Many are defending themselves against the government and not another individual. Many are as defensless as a baby against the government.
The Act would apply personhood to the conceived human zygote whose disposition is to remain natural and unmolseted; protected as we all are…or should be… by the force of our law. It takes years for the State to kill a murderer (6 yrs for McVeigh) because ending a human life is a serious thing for adults but is a walk-in appointment to kill a 6 month old in the womb because it isn’t serious for children.
If not specifically legalized abortion would no longer carry a right to social entitlement some few believe it to be. Like poligamy, abortion is known to exist in some form or fashion throughout the world. Like stealing, the unnatural ending of human life is taboo.
The vast majority of states and communites would likely make no law regarding abortion if Roe was overturned. What is the difference if a whore house was operating on your block or an abortion clinic? It is not ok to have sex for money, but it’s ok to kill for it. The police are arresting the wrong people, and you can vote locally to kick out a business if it offends you if enough agree with you. If you were on the jury of a woman who had her 4th abortion how would you decide? What if it was her first? What would you decide on the doctor who has 250 to his discredit, or the neighborhood midwife that ‘helped’ 15 poor women over 10 years not become poorer?
The more local the more compassionate jury and unless ‘they’ seek out abortionists like they do drug dealers and pimps/Johns I don’t advocate a police state to find those having abortions that way either. One size fits all legal rulling like Roe is never a good idea.
It is absurd to suggest the Sanctity of Life 2005 Act would be un-Constitutional. What in the Constitution allows SCOTUS to declare a law not legislated by Congress as Roe v Wade? What clause of the Constitution or Amendment defines human life to be non-human at any point? Congress makes the law, not the President or the Courts. Roe should be overturned right now on that alone.
The Act would rightly remove and not permit the Federal Courts to rule on an issue they have no authority to judge. The words/concept of ‘life’ and ‘liberty’ are given by God without restriction to all people and our founding documents, our law, recognizes that and specifically identifies those basic human rights to Americans. Our legal system used to be a place we went for a fair hearing if accused of a transgression as humans are wont to do to each other. Our life and liberty(property) are to be defended by the government, not hounded by until we give up passively as we do now with the illigimate 16th Amenment, and costly but ineffective social wars of poverty and drugs. Many are defending themselves against the government and not another individual. Many are as defensless as a baby against the government.
The Act would apply personhood to the conceived human zygote whose disposition is to remain natural and unmolseted; protected as we all are…or should be… by the force of our law. It takes years for the State to kill a murderer (6 yrs for McVeigh) because ending a human life is a serious thing for adults but is a walk-in appointment to kill a 6 month old in the womb because it isn’t serious for children.
If not specifically legalized abortion would no longer carry a right to social entitlement some few believe it to be. Like poligamy, abortion is known to exist in some form or fashion throughout the world. Like stealing, the unnatural ending of human life is taboo.
The vast majority of states and communites would likely make no law regarding abortion if Roe was overturned. What is the difference if a whore house was operating on your block or an abortion clinic? It is not ok to have sex for money, but it’s ok to kill for it. The police are arresting the wrong people, and you can vote locally to kick out a business if it offends you if enough agree with you. If you were on the jury of a woman who had her 4th abortion how would you decide? What if it was her first? What would you decide on the doctor who has 250 to his discredit, or the neighborhood midwife that ‘helped’ 15 poor women over 10 years not become poorer?
The more local the more compassionate jury and unless ‘they’ seek out abortionists like they do drug dealers and pimps/Johns I don’t advocate a police state to find those having abortions that way either. One size fits all legal rulling like Roe is never a good idea.
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mapleoak
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Baloney.
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drafdog
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Abortion will cease to be a problem when we learn how to love one another. Not before.
Legislation will have no effect on the issue.
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Legislation will have no effect on the issue.
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Wirraway
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there’s an interesting discussion of this here:Wow…I didn’t know that.
Do you know when [withdrawal of federal court jurisdiction] was done in the past?
digital.library.unt.edu/govdocs/crs/permalink/meta-crs-8144:1
congress withdrew district court jurisdiction from review of some administrative immigration rulings in '96. but more recently, my favorites:
the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 and the Military Commissions Act of 2006, withdrawing federal court jurisdiction from review of habeas petitions from GITMO detainees.
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RCM
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A good percentage of women who abort have children in the home. They KNOW what they are doing. I completely reject the notion that people do not somehow understand what abortion is.
There was a study a few years ago that found overall people believe there is a life but that it is justifiable homicide. Until we deal with the social conditions that force many women into aborting their children nothing will change. We will continue to have the highest abortion rates in the world (next to Russia).
There was a study a few years ago that found overall people believe there is a life but that it is justifiable homicide. Until we deal with the social conditions that force many women into aborting their children nothing will change. We will continue to have the highest abortion rates in the world (next to Russia).
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Joe_5859
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I think that’s a bit of an overstatement. It certainly would have some effect on abortion. It’s not as though abortion clinics would keep going at the same pace before and after a law was passed.
Of course, it will not end abortion completely. We have had laws against murder and theft for many, many years, and people still get murdered and robbed.
Not be glib or disrespectful, but the day “when we learn how to love one another” will probably not happen before the Second Coming! It’s something to work toward, certainly, but we cannot wait for that day to come before we work toward ending the social problems of today.
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vern_humphrey
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These kind of comments are basically, “Well, there’s nothing we can do about it, so why even try?”
There’s a lot we can do about it – and we could do more if people wouldn’t just throw up their hands and turn away from the problem.
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SoUnhappy80
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What about embro’s the implant in the tube of the women - which is almost sure to kill mother and child. Even the Catholic church says removing the tube (thus unfortunately ending the life of the child) is not immoral. Through this bill, it would be murder and against the law.
Also, what about a woman who has developed a severe disease (they are out there) and has to deliver the child as early as even 18 weeks (not abortion, but a delivery), even though it is almost certain the child will die. Is that against the law too under this?
As with every law, there has to be exceptions. This is why this bill will never pass.
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rlg94086
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I don’t see in the Act, as quoted, where it won’t allow for states to have exceptions. It appears that all it does is take things out of federal hands.
Now, I suppose it does give a state the ability to ban abortions without exceptions, but the Act itself does not do that. Is there a state where you think that would actually happen?
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SoUnhappy80
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hi Pax. I must have not read it carefully enough
I do agree with that- thanks for pointing it out.There already is an exception made within the law.
Self defence has always been excepted.
Perhaps not written in this specificly, but it does cover murder in general. So no one could be convicted of murder resulting from an ectopic pregnancy.
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