How to Stop Being a Nice Guy. Thoughts?

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Most of us females are used to counterfeit guys playing the “Nice guy routine,” that perhaps we look for the clear signs that he’s just being nice to get something out of it.

It is VERY attractive and alluring (in the pure sense) to meet true tender~men. Be intentional with your simple & genuine actions, you real men out there, and I guarantee you will be noticed & ladies will melt b/c that’s what most of us long to find in a genuine man. Just by reading the title of those books, those signify how quickly the authors are willing to give up on being a good man with good character. Check out 1 Corinthians 13 “the Way of Love” in the Bible. If your words & actions are pleasing in God’s eyes alone, stick with that & it’ll go farther than anything else. Our society is stupidly corrupt that society’s ideas to catch the opposite sex deters us from the way God designed love to truly be. The more tender~men there are, the more tender~women there are. We reciprocate what we experience to one another. “Be the change you wish to see in the world” (Gandhi).
 
Most of us females are used to counterfeit guys playing the “Nice guy routine,” that perhaps we look for the clear signs that he’s just being nice to get something out of it.

It is VERY attractive and alluring (in the pure sense) to meet true tender~men. Be intentional with your simple & genuine actions, you real men out there, and I guarantee you will be noticed & ladies will melt b/c that’s what most of us long to find in a genuine man. Just by reading the title of those books, those signify how quickly the authors are willing to give up on being a good man with good character. Check out 1 Corinthians 13 “the Way of Love” in the Bible. If your words & actions are pleasing in God’s eyes alone, stick with that & it’ll go farther than anything else. Our society is stupidly corrupt that society’s ideas to catch the opposite sex deters us from the way God designed love to truly be. The more tender~men there are, the more tender~women there are. We reciprocate what we experience to one another. “Be the change you wish to see in the world” (Gandhi).
This. Exactly. Women don’t care for “nice” guys. But they also don’t really want the “Macho” guys who go around thinking they’re God’s gift to women. It kind of makes sense that they’d go for a man who is confident (not a pushover) and also kind and genuine.
 
I think nice guys are great they only ever want to be friends though. I only seem to really interest the abuser want to be’s. I gave up dating because of that. If a nice guy I liked was ever interested in more I’d certainly give him a chance but they always friend zone me right off so it’s a lost cause. Guys have the advantage these day as there are more women looking for a good guy then guys looking for a nice or quality lady. Just keep looking and you find her. 👍
 
This. Exactly. Women don’t care for “nice” guys. But they also don’t really want the “Macho” guys who go around thinking they’re God’s gift to women. It kind of makes sense that they’d go for a man who is confident (not a pushover) and also kind and genuine.
It all depends on what you’re actually referring to in terms of the “nice guy” mentality. Do good men actually go for a “nice girl” (what’s a man’s definition of that anyway?) or is that an understatement? If we all just be ourselves (who we truly are in Christ, finding our worth/value in Him), perhaps that’s the only food for our souls we need to be satisfied and content, while also selflessly giving our time to love our brothers & sisters-in-Christ.
 
Being a “nice guy” is a pain. I’m so nice that I won’t even go up to talk to someone because I don’t want to seem rude and interrupt whatever they’re doing/saying/thinking.
 
Being a “nice guy” is a pain. I’m so nice that I won’t even go up to talk to someone because I don’t want to seem rude and interrupt whatever they’re doing/saying/thinking.
Except that’s not niceness, that’s insecurity. 😉 And yes, insecurity holds people back.

If you’re socially awkward, I don’t recommend trying to chat up strangers, but if you want to talk to an acquaintance, “Excuse me,” or, “Hey, can I talk to you for a second?” works really, really well.
 
It all depends on what you’re actually referring to in terms of the “nice guy” mentality. Do good men actually go for a “nice girl” (what’s a man’s definition of that anyway?) or is that an understatement? If we all just be ourselves (who we truly are in Christ, finding our worth/value in Him), perhaps that’s the only food for our souls we need to be satisfied and content, while also selflessly giving our time to love our brothers & sisters-in-Christ.
Well when I hear “nice guy” I think pushover, wimp, people pleaser etc.

I think there’s a difference between a nice guy and a gentleman or a genuine guy.

When I was looking for a spouse I was looking for a holy woman. Someone who practiced the faith and loved it.
I agree that we should all be ourselves. But IMO, a nice guy mentality involves not being yourself but being a doormat because you think that’s what will make people like you.
 
Well when I hear “nice guy” I think pushover, wimp, people pleaser etc.

I think there’s a difference between a nice guy and a gentleman or a genuine guy.

When I was looking for a spouse I was looking for a holy woman. Someone who practiced the faith and loved it.
I agree that we should all be ourselves. But IMO, a nice guy mentality involves not being yourself but being a doormat because you think that’s what will make people like you.
When I hear " nice guy" I envision the male version of " she has a nice personality"

Probably not physically attractive…
 
I’m reminded of some advice that has been passed around pretty frequently with young women.

Take a guy out to a restaurant. Watch closely how he treats the waitress. However he treats her is how he’s going to end up treating you.
I actually heard “watch how he treats his own mother.” I have to say that for me personally, it said a lot.
 
I actually heard “watch how he treats his own mother.” I have to say that for me personally, it said a lot.
I always felt family was a little fussier, as relationships can vary so widely. Some people have a bad relationship with their family for good reasons.
 
I always felt family was a little fussier, as relationships can vary so widely. Some people have a bad relationship with their family for good reasons.
That is true as well. Sometimes the family member can be the “problem.” But it’s a fair bet to say if a guy is nice and thoughtful toward his mom, chances are, he will be that way to you as well.
 
That is true as well. Sometimes the family member can be the “problem.” But it’s a fair bet to say if a guy is nice and thoughtful toward his mom, chances are, he will be that way to you as well.
Probably true. I’m just wary because of some of my family history - I definitely had a period of limited contact and firm boundary-setting with my parents. Stuff that could definitely come across as rude to those who weren’t familiar with the situation (e.g. cutting off conversations if certain subjects came up).
 
Probably true. I’m just wary because of some of my family history - I definitely had a period of limited contact and firm boundary-setting with my parents. Stuff that could definitely come across as rude to those who weren’t familiar with the situation (e.g. cutting off conversations if certain subjects came up).
There are also husbands who have really poor boundaries with their mothers, so being “nice” to mom doesn’t translate to being nice to a wife.
 
I actually heard “watch how he treats his own mother.” I have to say that for me personally, it said a lot.
In a normal situation that can be true. However it can be a lot more complicated. If I was dating and someone saw how my mom and I react. It would be cold, superficial and distant. Which is a far cry from my performance as a husband and father!
 
Except that’s not niceness, that’s insecurity. 😉 And yes, insecurity holds people back.

If you’re socially awkward, I don’t recommend trying to chat up strangers, but if you want to talk to an acquaintance, “Excuse me,” or, “Hey, can I talk to you for a second?” works really, really well.
Insecurity implies a fear. I’m not afraid to talk to people. I just feel it would be rude to interrupt them.
 
Insecurity implies a fear. I’m not afraid to talk to people. I just feel it would be rude to interrupt them.
Why is interruption necessary? You assume they don’t want you to speak? Why be around others if communication with them leads to you being judged rude?
 
They believe that if they are good, giving, and caring, that they will get happiness, love and fulfillment in return.
Good, giving and caring is what we all should be anyway. Happiness, love and fulfilment is what heaven is about, and being a good, giving and caring person has something to do with getting there, doesn’t it?
They offer to do things for a girl they hardly know that they wouldn’t normally do for just anybody else they know.
Don’t do that, or at least not just so that that girl would like you. If there are other reasons, such as being genuinely a gentleman (which is not the same as being a doormat or a lap dog), especially helping someone who is need, then why not.

Don’t allow any fear of appearing weak to prevent you from being genuinely helpful and kind.
They avoid conflict by withholding their opinions or even become agreeable with her when they don’t actually agree.
Don’t do that. Definitely don’t. On the other hand, learn how to express different opinions, even radically, completely different opinions, in a charitable and respectful way.

Don’t try to be overly inclusive in the choice of someone you just might spend the rest of your days with. Consider whether a relationship with a girl with incompatible views, especially incompatible with the views of the Catholic Church as a whole and not just your own, is a viable possibility. Saint Paul says not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers, and this is the context in which he means it.
They try to fix and take care of her problems, they are drawn to trying to help.
Don’t be a Cophethua, sure. Don’t use a girl to cure or pander to your own saviour complex. Don’t develop a shining armour fetish.

Still help people and make sacrifices for them. People may laugh at that, but God will smile at you — notice the difference.
They seek approval from others.
Everybody does, except sociopaths.

And that’s a good thing because 5, 10 or 20 people have more knowledge and experience and bra(name removed by moderator)ower than 1. This is what family or society is meant for, among other things.

Just don’t get too dependent, controlled from the outside etc. Recognize your own responsibility for your actions.
They try to hide their perceived flaws and mistakes.
Everybody does. Be honest but don’t be blunt in an obnoxious sort of way.

For the record, expect others to be at least a little critical of your flaws — that’s good, they help you get better, if they keep it to health limits. Unconditional affirmation is ACLU, not RCC. 😉
They are always looking for the “right” way to do things.
Only an idiot looks for a wrong way to do things. This said, be yourself — but this means acting on your good values and aspirations, not on your flaws and vices — rather than stupidly trying to please others and do things the way you expect might please them. Don’t be a superficial pleaser.
They tend to analyze rather than feel.
That’s called having a brain. Men are not meant to be crying pansies. Men are meant to solve problems. Preferably not always by moving straight to smashing things, which means analysis is necessary.

For the record, people who have no feelings whatsoever but see human relationships only in an analytical light are sociopaths, and they are not nice people.
They have difficulty making their needs a priority.
Any decent person has.

Since when are we supposed to prioritize our needs over those of others or over our obligations?
They are often emotionally dependent on their partner.
That’s precisely what friends and loved ones are for, within limits.

Liberals may love sex without emotional dependencies, but there’s no happiness to be found in that sort of thing.

On a final note, I didn’t have the time to read the whole article below this initial list, but it does seem the author has a lot of his priorities straight, e.g. from: ‘You can be a gentleman without being a pushover.’ Focus on the longer version before inferring too much from captions, headlines etc.

Okay, one more: Don’t make too much of the claims of secular therapists, especially when they begin to be hard to reconcile with what Catholic morality or Catholic social wisdom would seem to suggest. And definitely where it no longer suggests but outright, specifically, categorically says so. Paul the Apostle > Josh the Therapist.
 
Why is interruption necessary? You assume they don’t want you to speak? Why be around others if communication with them leads to you being judged rude?
People are always doing something. They may be doing a physical activity, talking to someone or just thinking about something. If you go up to someone, you’re interrupting whatever they were doing/thinking/saying.
 
People are always doing something. They may be doing a physical activity, talking to someone or just thinking about something. If you go up to someone, you’re interrupting whatever they were doing/thinking/saying.
As long as you aren’t interrupting them mid-sentence you aren’t really interrupting what they are saying.

If you don’t distract them from something they really currently need to focus all their attention on, then you aren’t really interrupting them from whatever they’re doing.

As for thinking, if they wanted nobody to ever interrupt their thought process, they would have volunteered to be trees.
 
People are always doing something. They may be doing a physical activity, talking to someone or just thinking about something. If you go up to someone, you’re interrupting whatever they were doing/thinking/saying.
Apply logic to the above statement.

If “interrupting a person” is wrong, AND

Were your above statement correct, then every attempt to initiate communication with a person would be wrong.
 
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