How to stop hug greetings

[Convert_in_99]

Well, I love your posts, no criticism, but as we conclude this year of Mercy, but you could think of it as something similar to St. Francis himself, who hugged the lepers who no one would have contact with.
You have a wonderful opportunity to be Christ to these children of God.
Love you gurl!

I love that you gifted them. How beautiful!

 

[Convert_in_99]

Added bonus:

We Spanish have a pious belief:
My mother used to say that if you had befriended a mentally challenged or disabled person, that you should ask them to pray for you; in other words, the Lord loves them so, and they are so pure of heart, that He will not refuse their request on your behalf. :angel1:

Be well friend!

Yeah. These dear ones are GUARANTEED heaven! No purgatory, no waiting, just instant heaven! :heaven:

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Yeah. These dear ones are GUARANTEED heaven! No purgatory, no waiting, just instant heaven! :heaven:

Really?

 

[Convert_in_99]

Really?

Yep!

 

[pianistclare]

Really?

I don’t think that’s stated anywhere officially…people are likely referencing the fact that these people/children don’t have the capacity to willfully sin, therefore, they have a very good chance of making it to heaven fairly innocently.

It’s a pious belief, that’s all.

 

[Convert_in_99]

I don’t think that’s stated anywhere officially…people are likely referencing the fact that these people/children don’t have the capacity to willfully sin, therefore, they have a very good chance of making it to heaven fairly innocently.

It’s a pious belief, that’s all.

Yes. Exactly.

If these souls don’t make it there sure as heck isn’t a drop of hope for the rest of us!

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Yep!

It’s my pet peeve when others state the salvation or non salvation of others.

I would think the same teaching on infants would apply to these precious souls with baptism.

And it certainly does not do any harm at all to believe God would grant them heaven. But I think staying theological “facts” should be avoided. I would assume that with all the normative requirements for salvation met, these souls would certainly keep us company in heaven! But let’s hold up on the lay canonizations.

Also at what point would we draw the qualification line. Downs? Aspergers? A certain IQ?

Nope I’m not comfortable with that at all, though I recognize it comes from a place of charity.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Yes. Exactly.

If these souls don’t make it there sure as heck isn’t a drop of hope for the rest of us!

Obviously you’ve never been pelted with canned goods outside if a grocery store…

As happened to my wife when a handicapped person found out she was dating me…

 

[Convert_in_99]

It’s my pet peeve when others state the salvation or non salvation of others.

I would think the same teaching on infants would apply to these precious souls with baptism.

And it certainly does not do any harm at all to believe God would grant them heaven. But I think staying theological “facts” should be avoided. I would assume that with all the normative requirements for salvation met, these souls would certainly keep us company in heaven! But let’s hold up on the lay canonizations.

Also at what point would we draw the qualification line. Downs? Aspergers? A certain IQ?

Nope I’m not comfortable with that at all, though I recognize it comes from a place of charity.

Obviously you’ve never been pelted with canned goods outside if a grocery store…

As happened to my wife when a handicapped person found out she was dating me…

I know you disagree with me on the salvation of the innocents and that’s your right. I’m sure we will always disagree on this.

As to getting hit with a can from a handicapped person, well let’s just say that I’ve worked and even lived amongst several handicapped persons. I’ve been hit, bitten, etc numerous times. I still hold the same opinion. Again, I know you disagree and feel the need to speak your piece, but you have and I have and we’ll leave it at that.

 

[Spark2]

Yes. Exactly.

If these souls don’t make it there sure as heck isn’t a drop of hope for the rest of us!

I do not see this as a good way to look at intellectually challenged people - I think it degrades them. They are not a large, uniform group. They are highly individual people, some of whom may be kind or sweet or a total terror. I understand that by generalizing, you mean to be kind, but I see it as dehumanizing.

I had a young student in my classroom who spit at me, called me an ugly b!tch and broke her little sisters arm on purpose. She destroyed other children’s possessions to see them cry. She was truly one of the meanest children I have ever met. And that is just another spectrum of humanity. But please don’t romanticize her disability. It isn’t fair to diminish her so. She was complex and culpable.

 

[Convert_in_99]

I do not see this as a good way to look at intellectually challenged people - I think it degrades them. They are not a large, uniform group. They are highly individual people, some of whom may be kind or sweet or a total terror. I understand that by generalizing, you mean to be kind, but I see it as dehumanizing.

I had a young student in my classroom who spit at me, called me an ugly b!tch and broke her little sisters arm on purpose. She destroyed other children’s possessions to see them cry. She was truly one of the meanest children I have ever met. And that is just another spectrum of humanity. But please don’t romanticize her disability. It isn’t fair to diminish her so. She was complex and culpable.

I disagree on her culpability. But what’s new. I disagree with many people on CAF lately.

 

[pianistclare]

It’s my pet peeve when others state the salvation or non salvation of others.

I would think the same teaching on infants would apply to these precious souls with baptism.

And it certainly does not do any harm at all to believe God would grant them heaven. But I think staying theological “facts” should be avoided. I would assume that with all the normative requirements for salvation met, these souls would certainly keep us company in heaven! But let’s hold up on the lay canonizations.

Also at what point would we draw the qualification line. Downs? Aspergers? A certain IQ?

Nope I’m not comfortable with that at all, though I recognize it comes from a place of charity.

WE don’t draw the line at all.
That’s My pet peeve. How uncharitable to tell people their disable or lost children are unredeemable.
Those who love, and are loved are assured of everlasting life.
Its all over Scripture.
I think seeing the best in people is more beneficial to all.
After all, Christ does that with us every.singe.day.

Peace. I’m out.

 

[pianistclare]

I do not see this as a good way to look at intellectually challenged people - I think it degrades them. They are not a large, uniform group. They are highly individual people, some of whom may be kind or sweet or a total terror. I understand that by generalizing, you mean to be kind, but I see it as dehumanizing.

I had a young student in my classroom who spit at me, called me an ugly b!tch and broke her little sisters arm on purpose. She destroyed other children’s possessions to see them cry. She was truly one of the meanest children I have ever met. And that is just another spectrum of humanity. But please don’t romanticize her disability. It isn’t fair to diminish her so. She was complex and culpable.

A person’s worth is not contingent on their IQ.

 

[Spark2]

A person’s worth is not contingent on their IQ.

Right. That’s what I am trying to say. When you generalize an entire group as “good” or “sweet” or “innocent” it’s more difficult to see the individuality of them as a person.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

WE don’t draw the line at all.
That’s My pet peeve. How uncharitable to tell people their disable or lost children are unredeemable.
Those who love, and are loved are assured of everlasting life.
Its all over Scripture.
I think seeing the best in people is more beneficial to all.
After all, Christ does that with us every.singe.day.

Peace. I’m out.

Why in the world would any Catholic think they are unredeemable? That would be a horrible and uncharitable position to take. Also it would be theologically ignorant. But it’s also wrong to state that a group of people that we arbitrarily classify get a go to heaven free card. This is God’s realm not ours. Let’s not condemn or take the place of God by saying who goes to heaven.

However, there are some Protestants who struggle with this idea. One of the best and most profitable tactics I’ve had with denominations like Calvinists is to bring up this subject and ask if they are part of the “elect”

It’s a very Catholic position to advocate for the salvation of any human soul. But it’s overreaching to proclaim that which the church does not.

 

[bitterhope]

Why in the world would any Catholic think they are unredeemable? That would be a horrible and uncharitable position to take. Also it would be theologically ignorant. But it’s also wrong to state that a group of people that we arbitrarily classify get a go to heaven free card. This is God’s realm not ours. Let’s not condemn or take the place of God by saying who goes to heaven.

However, there are some Protestants who struggle with this idea. One of the best and most profitable tactics I’ve had with denominations like Calvinists is to bring up this subject and ask if they are part of the “elect”

It’s a very Catholic position to advocate for the salvation of any human soul. But it’s overreaching to proclaim that which the church does not.

You explained this well. I think I finally understand your position. I apologize for past misunderstandings.