How to Survive Secular Totalitarianism

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All ideas are constantly in a battle to be recognized. We are always trying to convince the others on what we believe, and it doesn’t happen just in religion.

One example is politics, where we have resolved the situation through voting. The idea in which the majority of people believe is the one in power (theoretically).

Why can’t we apply a similar approach to religion? In the west christianity is predominant, in my country catholicism is predominant. Don’t we have a “democratic” right to have influence on laws and politics? And if we aren’t the majority, the we need to evangelize more, like the first christians.
 
Our constitution expressly prohibits us from establishing a state religion.

The nice thing about a secular government is that it lets you be what you are. Catholics can be Catholics, Jews can be Jews, Atheists can be Atheists.

If you recall, getting away from people who were trying to force Catholicism upon them against their will is a big part of America’s founding story.

At least as it pertains to those with European heritage, anyway.
 
The Puritans and the Pilgrims were fleeing Anglican rule, not Catholic.
 
The German community I’m descended from was fleeing Catholic oppression.

I presume you’re aware that there are people in America who claim a European heritage from a land other than England? I hope?
 
Yes, despite your demeaning answer, I am aware of it. Happy Sunday!
 
The problem isn’t people having a different religion than us, the problem is when that secularism pushes changes in the Goverment that are against Christianity in grave matters, like legalizing abortion/euthanasia/death penalty or limiting the freedom of speech in religious topics.

Sometimes, even if we tolerate and “love” (hopefuly) people with other opinions, we disagree in things so basic and important that it’s impossible to reconcile our ideas in pluralism. Then the only solution is persuasion or (in the worst of cases) martyrdom.
 
This is straight out of the Anarchist manifesto of the late 1960s. “We’ll burn this country down if we have to!” And “Off the pigs!” Or Kill the police. Why? They will stop you from buying illegal drugs. Anarchy is no way to live.

I don’t live in anarchist reality.
 
I’m not going to adapt to anything. Anarchists believe violence is appropriate. I don’t.
 
Go to church, private devotions, stay true. You know, Christians had it worse than being bullied. They used to be thorn to pieces and burried together with metals so their bodies can’t be buried.
Atheism is harsh. But it is not harsher than the piano keys of our doubts hitting the chords of our soul.
As long as there is a glitch in their system - freedom of belief - we have it easy. We do.
God bless.
 
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And notably hated Catholics as much as your average Anglican of the era. So much so that it took the better part of 200 years before a Catholic could be elected president. In a lot of ways, the Nonconformists hates Catholics even more than your average Church of England type, and often criticized Anglicans of Papist tendencies.
 
Not all Christians are anti-abortion. You can disagree with those Christians, but the fact is that the majority of Americans do not want an absolute ban on abortion, which tells you that that not only like encompasses many protestant groups, but probably some Catholics too.
 
Then we should convince them, as I’ve said.

Still, Christianity is incompatible with abortion, as God sees the human killing of innocent life as evil. That the majority of Christians agree with some form of abortion doesn’t make Christianity pro-abortion. It’s a Battle of Ideas, as I’ve said in my first post.
 
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Abortion will be overturned. I watched the year after year, decade after decade promotions. It’s going to come crashing down. Not because I say so but because of prayer and a return to decent living. The anarchist way is the wrong way.
 
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Abortion will be overturned. I watched the year after year, decade after decade promotions. It’s going to come crashing down. Not because I say so but because of prayer and a return to decent living. The anarchist way is the wrong way.
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Some info for you, Ed:
  • Abortions occur as frequently in the two most-restrictive categories of countries (banned outright or allowed only to save the woman’s life) as in the least-restrictive category (allowed without restriction as to reason)—37 and 34 per 1,000 women, respectively.
  • By far, the steepest decline in abortion rates occurred in Eastern Europe, where use of effective contraceptives increased dramatically; the abortion rate also declined significantly in the developing subregion of Central Asia. Both subregions are made up of former Soviet Bloc states where the availability of modern contraceptives increased sharply after political independence—exemplifying how abortion goes down when use of effective contraceptives goes up.
*Since 2000, 28 countries changed their abortion law—all but one expanding legal grounds to allow abortions to protect a woman’s health, for socioeconomic reasons or without restriction as to reason. Abortion Worldwide 2017: Uneven Progress and Unequal Access | Guttmacher Institute

Interesting, eh? Seems there has been a signigicant increase in the number of countries allowing it. And severely restricting it causes hardly any change to the number of abortions. And increased access to contraception results in fewer abortions.

Discuss as you see fit.
 
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It’s my understanding that abortion rates in the US have steadily been declining over the last thirty years. In raw statistical terms, things are going the way social conservatives want, even with Roe v Wade.
 
When people use this argument I always think: How do you make statistics about an illegal thing? How do you know when your sample is large enough to represent all the (statistical) population?
 
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