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pnewton
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You really believe it is the same? So have you started armed resistance against this “invasion?” Or are you all rhetoric?
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Texas_Roofer
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Your numbers are dubious at best. No references or citations as always.
Btw – the formula is cost x inflation(1.025) to the power of years. Today over $17,500 per student per year would be needed to exceed $250,000. Today a typical amount is $7,500 per student per year or a K-12 education valued at roughly $98,000
Just the facts Dano
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Bullfighter
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If you’re willing to do the math, knock yourself out but I had to put everything together myself.
The elementary school district :
iirc.niu.edu/District.aspx?districtID=14016099002
Secondary school district:
iirc.niu.edu/District.aspx?districtID=14016201017
Get new batteries for your calculator.
BTW:
Check this school out:
iirc.niu.edu/School.aspx?schoolID=140162030170001
Over $27,000 per student. But look at their grades. It’s worth the money. 95.8% local funding. A very upper middle class neighborhood in Chicagoland.
If you think a typical amount is $7,500/ student, I would assume you are talking in the backwoods somewhere. Last year, the whole summer in Chicago was spent listening to Reverend Meeks and his threats of a Chicago school boycott because schools in his neighborhood only receive $10,000/ student and the graduation rate is 50% amoung African Americans.
It made national news but maybe you were hybernating?
Read 'em and weep!
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Bullfighter
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LEGAL HYPOCRISY OF THE ANTI-AMERICAN GROUPS
(Censored to be Politically Correct)
Did you ever hear the expression, “Give 'em enough rope and they’ll hang THEMSELVES?”
I just found the right amount of rope and it leads right to DELETED.
On this website, I found the Interfaith Leadership Project which is a front for Anti-DELETED activities conducted on DELETED DELETED property.
archchicago.org/departmen…dGroups_08.pdf
Check out page 28 of this booklet.
Then go to this site:
interfaithleadership.net/…lishments.html
Read what laws they forced an American town to pass.
Now look at this website, The National Immigration Law Center.
Read the article about immigration law then ask yourself about how hypocritical these people are when the laws are spelled in their favor and when they are not.
nilc.org/immlawpolicy/Loc…2007-06-28.pdf
This is why “DELETED” or “DELETED” groups should be viewed with suspicion. If they only help their own people, why would they make good US citizens? How can they make good DELETED when they are also called to help the stranger who may not be of the same race, religion, or national origin?
Now go back and search the first booklet of CCHD Grant winners. How many times can you see the words “DELETED” or “DELETED” and how much did those groups receive in funds. You would think the only poor people in DELETED are of DELETED origin.
This is so corrupt, even a child couldn’t be fooled by it. But politicians are adults. So they can easily be misled by the candy being offer by the Anti -DELETED groups in the form of support, campaign contributions, and votes.
Will American DELETED ever be able to trust their DELETED again?
Fool me once, shame on you!
Fool me twice, shame on ME!
That’s what CENSORSHIP will be like in the future.
“The first victim in war is the truth!”
(Censored to be Politically Correct)
Did you ever hear the expression, “Give 'em enough rope and they’ll hang THEMSELVES?”
I just found the right amount of rope and it leads right to DELETED.
On this website, I found the Interfaith Leadership Project which is a front for Anti-DELETED activities conducted on DELETED DELETED property.
archchicago.org/departmen…dGroups_08.pdf
Check out page 28 of this booklet.
Then go to this site:
interfaithleadership.net/…lishments.html
Read what laws they forced an American town to pass.
Now look at this website, The National Immigration Law Center.
Read the article about immigration law then ask yourself about how hypocritical these people are when the laws are spelled in their favor and when they are not.
nilc.org/immlawpolicy/Loc…2007-06-28.pdf
This is why “DELETED” or “DELETED” groups should be viewed with suspicion. If they only help their own people, why would they make good US citizens? How can they make good DELETED when they are also called to help the stranger who may not be of the same race, religion, or national origin?
Now go back and search the first booklet of CCHD Grant winners. How many times can you see the words “DELETED” or “DELETED” and how much did those groups receive in funds. You would think the only poor people in DELETED are of DELETED origin.
This is so corrupt, even a child couldn’t be fooled by it. But politicians are adults. So they can easily be misled by the candy being offer by the Anti -DELETED groups in the form of support, campaign contributions, and votes.
Will American DELETED ever be able to trust their DELETED again?
Fool me once, shame on you!
Fool me twice, shame on ME!
That’s what CENSORSHIP will be like in the future.
“The first victim in war is the truth!”
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LeroyCRHP
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What town are you in if I may ask? I didn’t think any city was this pure of any race!
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Bullfighter
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Cicero, Illinois! Purity would have been the last word I would have used.
The town has been notorious as a haven for Al Capone and every other syndicate boss since.
The one thing good about this town is that Chicagoans could always point to Cicero and say, “At least we’re not as bad as them!”
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icknish
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Beacause most illegal aliens are from Mexico and various other latin american countries, opinions of these peoples being here in our nation, many take on a " poor souls" or “they are just trying to make a better life for their families and themselves” attitude. But there are many other aspects that need to be adressed. For example: There are also many here in our nation from China, Russia, and various middle eastern countries. Would Americans be quite so welcoming if massive amounts of peoples began swarming into our country from those nations as well?
Our nations social services, schools, and medical establishments are at a critical overload. This directly effects every tax payer. And anyone legally needing those services.
The intentions of illegals are always criminal, always, as they have no respect for laws of the nation they enter illegally.
Which also means they do not respect the religion or rights of any citizen or legal alien as well.
This specific wave of criminal invasion on our nation is deilberate and is decaying rapidly our nation, our freedoms, (that includes religious freedom)and our health, safety and opportunities for our citizens.
I begin to wonder why it is that when a large group of illegals are detained, many have criminal records, they have guns, drugs, involved heavily in prostitution (many victims are children) and are able to march into our country in military uniforms and our politicians don’t even blink at the obvious, that it is an invasion of criminal elements that have every intention to harm our nation and its people. To take as much as they can steal, from each and every citizen.
There is a simple soulution. The laws are already in place. It is past time to enforce those laws. It is time for citizens to demand from their law makers, that we pay millions of dollars to, to get to work and get the illegals out of our country and vigilantly keep others from entering illegally. There needs to be pressure brought to bear against the countries that dump their criminals and downtrodden on our nation making it “our” problem.
The motives of this criminal element is purely evil. God separated nations and peoples for a reason.
Our nations social services, schools, and medical establishments are at a critical overload. This directly effects every tax payer. And anyone legally needing those services.
The intentions of illegals are always criminal, always, as they have no respect for laws of the nation they enter illegally.
Which also means they do not respect the religion or rights of any citizen or legal alien as well.
This specific wave of criminal invasion on our nation is deilberate and is decaying rapidly our nation, our freedoms, (that includes religious freedom)and our health, safety and opportunities for our citizens.
I begin to wonder why it is that when a large group of illegals are detained, many have criminal records, they have guns, drugs, involved heavily in prostitution (many victims are children) and are able to march into our country in military uniforms and our politicians don’t even blink at the obvious, that it is an invasion of criminal elements that have every intention to harm our nation and its people. To take as much as they can steal, from each and every citizen.
There is a simple soulution. The laws are already in place. It is past time to enforce those laws. It is time for citizens to demand from their law makers, that we pay millions of dollars to, to get to work and get the illegals out of our country and vigilantly keep others from entering illegally. There needs to be pressure brought to bear against the countries that dump their criminals and downtrodden on our nation making it “our” problem.
The motives of this criminal element is purely evil. God separated nations and peoples for a reason.
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Paz605
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"This is why “DELETED” or “DELETED” groups should be viewed with suspicion. If they only help their own people, why would they make good US citizens? How can they make good DELETED when they are also called to help the stranger who may not be of the same race, religion, or national origin?
Now go back and search the first booklet of CCHD Grant winners. How many times can you see the words “DELETED” or “DELETED” and how much did those groups receive in funds. You would think the only poor people in DELETED are of DELETED origin. "
WHAT ARE U FEARING? In the End the God Will not judge us by whether we are American, Hispanic, Asian, or whatever!!! Believe me he will laugh at Democracy and other systems of ruling…Don’t let your envy and hate carry you to favor the laws of our land and not the laws of God. Just Imagine if borders would have existed before Jesus would have been born, Jesus would have never been born where he was and Mary and Joseph would have been deported back to their home land where they would have been lynched because no one would have believed them that Mary was having a baby without being married.
If we must sacrifice our comfortness in this democratic country for the will of God then I am in full support of it.
“He who heres you, hears me; and he who rejects you rejects me.” (Luke 10:16)
Now go back and search the first booklet of CCHD Grant winners. How many times can you see the words “DELETED” or “DELETED” and how much did those groups receive in funds. You would think the only poor people in DELETED are of DELETED origin. "
WHAT ARE U FEARING? In the End the God Will not judge us by whether we are American, Hispanic, Asian, or whatever!!! Believe me he will laugh at Democracy and other systems of ruling…Don’t let your envy and hate carry you to favor the laws of our land and not the laws of God. Just Imagine if borders would have existed before Jesus would have been born, Jesus would have never been born where he was and Mary and Joseph would have been deported back to their home land where they would have been lynched because no one would have believed them that Mary was having a baby without being married.
If we must sacrifice our comfortness in this democratic country for the will of God then I am in full support of it.
“He who heres you, hears me; and he who rejects you rejects me.” (Luke 10:16)
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Bullfighter
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God doesn’t say one word against governments being formed for the benefit of mankind. If God didn’t want divisions, he wouldn’t have created races.
The borders did exist before Jesus was born. Borders are not the problem. It is the greed of those who don’t work at building their own countries that is the problem. They seek an easy answer by immigrating to a land that they didn’t build nor are loyal to.
Do as you please. But don’t use my share to feed your hungry.
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Paz605
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God has said many things about Governments being formed for the benefit of humankind, yes. He states to who the authority belongs to and who should cooperate with the laws of the land.
He created physical differences so that instead of division we can resort to unity instead of destruction and hate. Why do you think Hitler emerged as the savior of many Germans? He promised to give back to those of German origin their jobs, land, and wealth back from those such as jewish, christians, etc…who to him had caused a reverse discrimination and had put at disadvantage to those of German discent. These are the same ideals which antimmigration groups are promoting.
I understand that we have built this country with sweet and hard work…and that people come here and don’t even care about it…but we can make a difference by telling them in a good manner how important it is for us to follow such traditions. We can’t force anyone to adapt to our way of life…nor force them to leave…Believe it for not most immigrants are quite aware of many of our traditions and legal system. if we reallly want to reduce immigration we should be investing our money in Central America, South America, etc. instead of the Wars and Military. Thats how we show that we care.
My theory is that Democracy is soon to fall and it won’t be anyones fault…No government lives to tell the tale.
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hekat927
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Wow, this thread has been quite the eye-opener for me. I’m converting to Catholicism, and I thought that I would add my 2 cents worth. For background’s sake, let me state that I am half Japanese, with a father who was military, and half German and Sioux. My mother had a green card until she became a naturalized citizen. My brothers have married or lived with hispanic women, and have families. I love and am very proud of all of my family. I live outside of Phoenix, and they live in southern San Diego, near the border. We have seen the influx of immigrants, and we have our concerns. We do try to remember to ‘hate the sin, but love the sinner’, as Christians should. We have seen a girlfriend of our brother, who was here illegally, receive excellent care at no charge after contracting lung cancer, while my economically struggling brother was denied low cost treatment for pneumonia. I have recently been laid off from the newspaper industry, with some of our functions being outsourced to India. I am appalled by illegal immigration, and the breaking of the law. If it were an unjust law, I would be the first to stand against it. I think that encouraging, or having the appearance of encouraging the breaking of laws is wrong. I think that government and business in conjunction with each other have forgotten about making sure that law abiding people who need help are not receiving help for basic necessities, because there may be economic advantages to helping one group of people over another.
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Texas_Roofer
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I do believe it an unjust law. I do believe we (and others) unjustly restrict the Natural Freedom of men, both to travel and work. I also believe this man made restriction is based in sinful action.
I’m with you here and believe it is the same issue, no one should be discriminated against. Any advantage is again man made (ie we reimburse for this expense but not that expense )
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Bullfighter
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The bible doesn’t mention a thing about the United States or anything in the Western Hemisphere for that matter. God would always be on the side of those who defended the law and who always condemn those who were after profit.
Find me an immigrant who is NOT trying to line his pockets with the resources that Americans fought for. Why can’t the countries south of the border do it the way Americans did. By self determination rather than looking for charity because they have already exceeded their just amount.
He created division so people would leave the center of the profit universe which at that time was Babel. People needed a kick in the pants to get them to explore the earth and settle the four corners of the world instead of immigrating to where it was already developed. Maybe God needs to send a few more floods to wake people up again. The United States of America is already fixed and full up.
The US has already spent trillions trying to fix Latin America. Everytime businesses find a profit making solution for people to invest in, the native country nationalizes the business and kicks American business investors out. Like they did with the oil industry.
The only way the Unites States would fall would be from within through the apathy of its corrupt politicians and rich citizens. No nation that ever had a government loyal to its citizens foresaking all others has ever failed.My theory is that Democracy is soon to fall and it won’t be anyones fault…No government lives to tell the tale.
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Paz605
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Believe what you want to believe…after all you have the God given freedom to do what you want. Rationality of this world is only lead to corrupt minds. “I” a hard headed exDemocrat had to learn it the hard way, that at the end of the road God won’t care about ones expanding mind or resolving issues…but he will see how much one showed love. If you don’t have love you don’t have God. God=Love. Peace.
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pnewton
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Judah. They were loyal to their own citizens because they alone were God’s chosen people, probably the most xenophobic of all nations. Yet they fell. God is fully capable of punishing America using other nations. He has proven this in the past. It is only American nationalist arrogance that things we are immune to God’s wrath.
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Bullfighter
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So 9-11 was God punishing America?
So drugs and gangs pouring across the American border is God punishing America?
So the deliberate forcing of the United States of America and its people to adapt to the Latin America culture while excluding all other cultures in the world is God punishing America?
Does your god have a mustache, wear a swastika, and “goose-step”?
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Texas_Roofer
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I am glad you posted this, it is far and away your best post. The post explains several issues. Cicero is changing in an unusual way. Hispanics make up 20% of Illinois students yet 95% of Cicero students so that is an extreme change by any measure. It would seem to me you have to adjust or move.
District---------------98----------- 99-----------100
instruction-------3937---------4641--------- 4637
operation --------6934---------7939--------- 7872
total---------------10871-------12580--------12509
X 13years–$141,323----$163,540—$162,617
Hispanic%--------77.2----------95.1---------73.50%
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pnewton
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This has got to be the single most off-the-wall thing I have ever read posted here. Did I say, or even imply one of the above statements? Absolutely not. I was only showing your statement false that you made. “No nation that ever had a government loyal to its citizens foresaking all others has ever failed.”
Are you aware how “out there” you are? You wouldn’t know a Nazi if one kicked down your door. Nationalism, like you religiously profess, is the characteristic of Nazism. Prejudice and hatred of others, like you profess, was their trademark. Like you, they had the belief in their own superiority and destiny. The believed their strong nationalism would make them invunerable, again like you. Did you even take history in school? And as far as God is concerned, he does not where red, white and blue.
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Bullfighter
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You have district 99 correct. That is the elementary schools.
The secondary schools is district 201. But you do get the idea of the situation here.
Are you really from Texas?
Didn’t William Barret Travis say in his letters from the Alamo:
“I will never surrender or retreat!”
“Victory or Death!”
Besides, my Church is here. The one I went to all my life. The one my mother went to all her life. The one my grandparents helped build. Many loyal citizens are still here and won’t move. I could never leave here and feel right about it. I can’t explain it any other way. God wants me here.
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pnewton
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Here is the text
I am besieged, by a thousand or more of the Mexicans under Santa Anna. I have sustained a continual Bombardment and cannonade for 24 hours and have not lost a man. The enemy has demanded a surrender at discretion, otherwise, the garrison are to be put to the sword, if the fort is taken. I have answered the demand with a cannon shot, and our flag still waves proudly from the walls. I shall never surrender or retreat. Then, I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism & everything dear to the American character, to come to our aid, with all dispatch. The enemy is receiving reinforcements daily and will no doubt increase to three or four thousand in four or five days. If this call is neglected, I am determined to sustain myself as long as possible and die like a soldier who never forgets what is due to his own honor & that of his country. Victory or Death. Ironically enough, he himself was an immigrant to Mexico. *
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