How we see Jesus, peace be upon him

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"Say: ‘O people of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.’ If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we at least are Muslims bowing to Allah’s Will." (Quran 3:64)

Jesus never said he was God. Jesus never called himself “God”. Jesus never said he was equal with God. Jesus prayed to God. Jesus told you to pray not to him, but to God. Jesus never said that the holy spirit is equal to him, let alone equal to God. Jesus never preached of a trinitarian dogma. The disciples never called him “God”. The prophets before Jesus never spoke of a trinity; all of them spoke of the one single unique God. Read up on the history of your religion and the origin of this dogma and you will come to see that Jesus, peace be upon him, the mighty messenger of Allah, only called you to worship the one true God.

He fell on his face and prayed to the one God. He performed miracles only by the will of God. He said “my God, which is your God” (John 20:17)

What god would call on God?

“I am not looking for human praise.” (John 5:41)
“You like to receive praise from one another, but you do not try to win praise FROM THE ONE WHO ALONE IS GOD.” (John 5:44)

He never called himself God; but he called himself a prophet of God:
“Nevertheless I must walk today, and tomorrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a PROPHET perish out of Jerusalem.” (Luke 13:33)
“And they were offended in him, But Jesus said unto them, A PROPHET is not without honor, except in his own house.” (Matthew 13:57, Mark 6:4, Luke 4:24 and John 4:43)

What did the people of his time call him? A prophet:
“… because they counted him as a PROPHET.” (Matthew 14:45)
“And the multitude said, this is Jesus, the PROPHET of Nazareth of Galilee.” (Matthew 21:11)
“But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a PROPHET.” (Matthew 21:46)
“Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a PROPHET mighty in deed and word before God and all of the people.” (Luke 24:19)

We don’t believe he is the son of God, for God has no sons. The term was used to refer to people to worshipped God, but was not meant in the literal sense. Moreover, there are plenty of people in the Bible that are referred to as the son of God, making the term not unique to Jesus, peace be upon him, at all:
Solomon was called God’s son (2 Samuel 7:14)
Jacob was told by God that he is His son (Exodus 4:22)
Adam was called the son of God (Luke 3:38)
The common people were referred to as sons of God: Deuteronomy 14:1, Romans 8:14, John 1:12, Phillipians 2:15, Job 38:7
The peacemakers shall be called the sons of God (Matthew 5:9)
David was called the begotten son of God (Psalms 2:7)

Yes, he refers to himself as lord, which was a common way to address people at the time. As a matter of fact, there were a bunch of “lords” spoken of in the Bible:
Prophet Abraham (Genesis 18:12)
Esau (Genesis 32:4)
Joseph (Genesis 44:20)
David (1 Samuel 25:24)

So, by addressing him as “lord” doesn’t qualify him as the one alone who is the Lord God Almighty. There is one Lord, who is God, the ONLY savior:

“I, even I am the Lord; and besides Me there is no savior.” (Isaiah 43:11)

“I am God; there is none else; I am God; and there is none like Me.” (Isaiah 46:9)

“The Lord, He is God; there is none besides Him.” (Deuteronomy 4:35)

“See now that I, even I, am He, and there is no god with Me.” (Deuteronomy 32:39)

The Quran speaks the truth.

"Say: “We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma’il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam).” (QURAN 3:84)

“O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.” (Quran 4:171)
 
John 10:30 “I and the Father are one.”

John 14:11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.

John 10:37-38 [37] Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. [38] But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."

Mark 14:61b-62 [61b] Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?” [62] “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Daniel 7:13-14 [13] "In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. [14] He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Isaiah 9:6-7 [6] For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. [7] Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. …

Proverbs 30:4 [NKJV] Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is His Son’s name, if you know?

Luke 22:66-70 [66] At daybreak the council of the elders of the people, both the chief priests and teachers of the law, met together, and Jesus was led before them. [67] "If you are the Christ, " they said, “tell us.” Jesus answered, “If I tell you, you will not believe me, [68] and if I asked you, you would not answer. [69] But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God.” [70] They all asked, “Are you then the Son of God?” He replied, “You are right in saying I am.”

6Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me. 7If you had known who I am, then you would have known who my Father is.* From now on you know him and have seen him!”

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I advise everyone here to let this pointless thread just die in peace. :nope:
 
Assalamu Alaikum,

Hello FitrahGuidedMe i just want to say i totally agree. I converted to Islam a year ago from Catholicism and it was the best choice of my life. One of the reasons i converted was because of the things you mentioned… I went back and studied early christian history and was astonished. Cause i found out the vast majority of early christians did not even believe in the whole concept of the trinity…

Ebionites - All these sources within mainstream Christianity agree that the Ebionites denied the divinity of Jesus, the doctrine of the Trinity, the Virgin Birth and the death of Jesus as an atonement for the Original Sin.
Unitarianism
Arianism
- Arius taught that God the Father and the Son were not co-eternal, seeing the pre-incarnate Jesus as a divine being but nonetheless created by (and consequently inferior to) the Father at some point
Monarchianism - as it is sometimes called, is a set of beliefs that emphasize God as being one, that God is the single and only ruler and rejected the trinity.
Socinianism - They held sceptical views on reason and rejected orthodox teachings on the Trinity and on the divinity of Jesus
Christadelphians

Plus Modern day ones:
Iglesia ni Cristo
True Jesus Church
Church of Christ, Scientist
Oneness Pentecostals
Jehovah’s Witnesses
Unification Church
Deism
Unitarian Christians

The list just goes on and on… But the amount of different beliefs throughout early christianty can be summed up in the following book: “The Lost Christianities: The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew” which can be bought at Amazon.com… Here is its description:

The early Christian Church was a chaos of contending beliefs. Some groups of Christians claimed that there was not one God but two or twelve or thirty. Some believed that the world had not been created by God but by a lesser, ignorant deity. Certain sects maintained that Jesus was human but not divine, while others said he was divine but not human.In Lost Christianities, Bart D. Ehrman offers a fascinating look at these early forms of Christianity and shows how they came to be suppressed, reformed, or forgotten. All of these groups insisted that they upheld the teachings of Jesus and his apostles, and they all possessed writings that bore out their claims, books reputedly produced by Jesus’s own followers. Modern archaeological work has recovered a number of key texts, and as Ehrman shows, these spectacular discoveries reveal religious diversity that says much about the ways in which history gets written by the winners. Ehrman’s discussion ranges from considerations of various “lost scriptures”–including forged gospels supposedly written by Simon Peter, Jesus’s closest disciple, and Judas Thomas, Jesus’s alleged twin brother–to the disparate beliefs of such groups as the Jewish-Christian Ebionites, the anti-Jewish
Marcionites, and various “Gnostic” sects. Ehrman examines in depth the battles that raged between “proto-orthodox Christians”-- those who eventually compiled the canonical books of the New Testament and standardized Christian belief–and the groups they denounced as heretics and ultimately overcame.
Scrupulously researched and lucidly written, Lost Christianities is an eye-opening account of politics, power, and the clash of ideas among Christians in the decades before one group came to see its views prevail.

Plus upon studying christian history i came to find the trinity was not adopted for hundreds of years after Jesus… Plus the Trinity was just a way of trying to unify the christian church throughout the Roman Empire… It is just to bad that so many people are blinded by this doctrine now. May Allah watch over us and guide us on the straight path.
 
Yeah,and the Quran also claims Jesus did not die from his Crucifixion…WHAT? What the people(Disciples) just went up to the cross and pulled the nails out with pliers and nursed Jesus back to health even though he had these massive wounds in his hands,feet and side. The Muslims even claim the Jews stole Jerusalem from them even though there are temple remains that pre-date anyone of their claims on the city.Islam is a false religion and honoring Jesus as a prophet will not get you into heaven.
 
Islam is wrong about Jesus just as they are wrong about many things. Nothing to discuss, unless they admit they are wrong and want to know how to come to the true faith.
 
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Islam is wrong about Jesus just as they are wrong about many things. Nothing to discuss, unless they admit they are wrong and want to know how to come to the true faith.
mohammad’s info of christianity teachings are taken from heretics in Arabia…just read his explanation of Christian belief to understand he knew not what he was talking about 😃 or maybe you should read about the quranic passages found in jewish and christian folklores and tales and put them as :rotfl: divine
 
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