How Will a Catechism Effect the Church

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Hi, I heard the Catechism of the Ukranian church is coming out this month. My question is how will this change this rules and regulations wise etc… I guess what im asking is what impact will it likely have?
 
Ukrforever said:
Hi, I heard the Catechism of the Ukranian church is coming out this month. My question is how will this change this rules and regulations wise etc… I guess what im asking is what impact will it likely have?
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A Catechism doesn’t change anything. It presents what is already there.
 
Peter_Mogila said:
My guess is that the new Ukrainian Catholic Catechism will affirm the traditional teachings of the Catholic Church on primacy and infallibility of the pope.
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I agree.

There be no groundbreaking departures.

Unless I missed my guess it should offer a good explanation of Theosis, and also the use of icons in prayer, with Patristic quotes.
 
Some of the background of the preparation for the new Ukrainian Catholic Catechism can be read here:

stjosaphateparchy.org/documents/CatecheticalCommAnnEn.pdf

Page 3 of the file above indicates the Catechism was sent to the Eastern Congregation in Rome for “consideration.” That being said, if the new Ukrainian Catholic Catechism does not teach papal infallibility, that would be a very interesting development.

An overview of its content is here by a Ukrainian Catholic Bishop involved with its development:

freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1455173/posts
 
I look forward to reading and studying this Catechism. Its effect will be that Ukrainian Greek-Catholics will be able to form their theological and liturgical understanding from a truly “Eastern” source that reflects their own Particular Church identity and tradition.

I believe that the Catechism of St Peter Mohyla, an Orthodox Churchman, should likewise be approved for general use by Ukrainian and other Eastern Catholics.

Over the years, Ukrainian Catholics have become very “Particular” about the sources from which they formulate their Eastern Christian weltanschauung.

Alex
 
Alexander,

Perhaps you could give us a review of it once it’s out? Us folks who are deficient in Ukrainian would appreciate someone’s analysis on issues relating to Catholics and Orthodox.
 
Your Beatitude!

It will be my pleasure and a great privilege to do so!

(I have an icon of you on my wall which I am observing right now . . .)

Reverencing your sainted hand, I implore your blessing,

The unworthy Alex
 
Peter_Mogila said:
An overview of its content is here by a Ukrainian Catholic Bishop involved with its development:

freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1455173/posts
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A couple of the bishop’s comments in the article make me think that the ecclesiological presentation in the new catechism will be basically Latin with perhaps an Eastern Christian veneer.

Nevertheless, if the UGCC Catechetical Directory is indicative of the overall tone of the new catechism in areas unrelated to Church structure it should give a good - but brief - explication of the theology of icons, theosis, and liturgy.
 
Alexander_Roman said:
Your Beatitude!

It will be my pleasure and a great privilege to do so!

(I have an icon of you on my wall which I am observing right now . . .)

Reverencing your sainted hand, I implore your blessing,

The unworthy Alex
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Alex,

Thank you! I didn’t know if you’d recognize me due to my not using traditional Ukrainian spelling. 🙂

Seriously, many folks are watching to see what this Catechism has or does not have in it.

Peter
 
Dear Peter,

Orthodox or not, you are a Rock! 🙂

Hopefully, the Catechism will be as close to Orthodox theology and praxis as possible.

Todd may not agree, but then again, as a Catholic, he is more Orthodox than many Orthodox!

I mean that as a compliment . . . 😉

All the best,

Alex
 
Dear Ukranian brethren,

I look forward to seeing how the Ukranian Catechism handles the Immaculate Conception. From what I know, the Ukrainians, even before reunion, had a solid Tradition on the IC. I think a lot of Latin Catholics today are confused, despite the modern Catechism, about the IC - the IC only refers to Mary’s spiritual holiness, not her physical state. I hope the Ukranian Catechism makes this more obvious than the current Catholic Catechism does.

The Catechism will obviously touch upon the papacy. I hope it will give special focus on the High Petrine (i.e., collegial) aspects of the two Vatican Councils, perhaps even quote the Official Relatio of V1, which is a bountiful source for the High Petrine understanding of the Papacy.

Blessings,
Marduk
 
Ukrforever said:
Hi, I heard the Catechism of the Ukranian church is coming out this month.
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Does anyone have a source for this?

What language will it be when it is released? Will it be in Ukrainian only, or will it come out in English right away?
 
Alexander_Roman said:
Dear Peter,

Orthodox or not, you are a Rock! 🙂

Hopefully, the Catechism will be as close to Orthodox theology and praxis as possible.

Todd may not agree, but then again, as a Catholic, he is more Orthodox than many Orthodox!

I mean that as a compliment . . . 😉

All the best,

Alex
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No worries. I took your comment as a complement. 😃

That said, I remain hopeful that the ecclesiology presented in the new catechism will be Orthodox instead of Latin, but my hope is tempered by a couple of things said by the Ukrainian Catholic bishop in the article from the FreeRepublic website that was referenced in an earlier post. It appears, that is, if I am reading the bishop’s comments correctly, that he distinguishes between the local Church and the universal Church with the implication that Rome (i.e., the Pope and the Vatican bureaucracy) is the universal Church. That of course is a false notion, and so I hope it is not a distinction to be found in the new catechism.
 
Apotheoun said:
No worries. I took your comment as a complement. 😃

That said, I remain hopeful that the ecclesiology presented in the new catechism will be Orthodox instead of Latin, but my hope is tempered by a couple of things said by the Ukrainian Catholic bishop in the article from the FreeRepublic website that was referenced in an earlier post. It appears, that is, if I am reading the bishop’s comments correctly, that he distinguishes between the local Church and the universal Church with the implication that Rome (i.e., the Pope and the Vatican bureaucracy) is the universal Church. That of course is a false notion, and so I hope it is not a distinction to be found in the new catechism.
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Yes sir, you have put your finger on an issue about which there is much confusion within the UGCC and I doubt very much if the Catechism will resolve. In fact, whenever the Vatican sent someone to tell the UGCC bishops to forget about the patriarchate, this very idea e.g. Local vs Universal Church is brought up.

But I look forward to reading it in both Ukrainian and English - just in case something is lost in the translation . . .😉

Always a privilege to be in your cyberspace presence, sir!

Alex
 
mardukm said:
Dear Ukranian brethren,

I look forward to seeing how the Ukranian Catechism handles the Immaculate Conception. From what I know, the Ukrainians, even before reunion, had a solid Tradition on the IC. I think a lot of Latin Catholics today are confused, despite the modern Catechism, about the IC - the IC only refers to Mary’s spiritual holiness, not her physical state. I hope the Ukranian Catechism makes this more obvious than the current Catholic Catechism does.

The Catechism will obviously touch upon the papacy. I hope it will give special focus on the High Petrine (i.e., collegial) aspects of the two Vatican Councils, perhaps even quote the Official Relatio of V1, which is a bountiful source for the High Petrine understanding of the Papacy.

Blessings,
Marduk
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Dear Brother Marduk,

Yes, there were Ukrainian Orthodox saints who venerated the Immaculate Conception and even took the bloody vow to defend to the death the IC . . St Dmitri of Rostov, St Peter Mohyla etc. I think it was Fr. Prof. Georges Florovsky who once complained the Kyivan Orthodox Mohyla Academy devoted so much time to praising the Immaculate Conception! They even published an Akathist to the Immaculate Conception that was/is used in Orthodox circles (I saw a Russian copy in one collection recently).

The papacy will be men.tioned for sure and hopefully in the same breath as that patriarchate thingy!

Those Ukrainians are always going on about that patriarchate of theirs . . .

I look forward to reading it - with all the hoopla surrounding it, it better be good! 🙂

Alex
 
Alex,

Perhaps someone could scan the Ukrainian version when it comes out later this month and we could run it through a machine translation to see what it says. 🙂

Though I wonder if perhaps it will only be available at first in Ukraine and then later some copies will filter down to Canada/US?

Did you get a chance to look at the older catechism by Fr. Kucharek:

archive.org/details/UkrainianCatholicCatechismOurFaith

Did it have much of a circulation back in the day?
 
Alex,

I believe the new UGCC Catechism is due out on the 24th of this month in Ukraine. How soon do you think before copies will reach Canada? I wonder if it’ll be posted online in Ukrainian by the UGCC Patriarchate?

Peter
 
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