What about human cloning, then? This would be the creation of “life,” would it not? You see, one could argue that because we are able to do something, God must have shown us how. But there is a quite obvious alternate explanation.
Before you suggest that others have learning to do you might want to take a step back… the A-Bomb was a result of splitting the atom. Splitting the atom has produced many good things, it may even be powering your house. However humans, being the corrupt beings we are, found ways to use it for ill as well.
Cloning. Again, God gave us knowledge and the animals to take care of and for our benefit. From our misuse of them many have died out and others are on the brink. Perhaps cloning is how we can act like modern day Noah’s, if used for the correct purpose.
Uh - how do you think they get the sperm, then?
The pride is not the desire for children, but the grabbing of the “clay” out of God’s hands, and taking it for oneself, to do with as one desires. It’s the opposite side of the same coin as birth control, which is the desire to have sex (make a prayer for children with our bodies), but not to have that prayer for children answered.
In this case, I think the Church is very clear. There is actually very little room for doubt on this issue.
What does being a Youth Minister have to do with anything? Do Youth Ministers go to Seminary?
Whatever, dude. Again, you have lots of learning to do on this one. Obviously no one can convince you. But the short answer is that you are wrong and the church is right. You can rationalize it all you want.Before you suggest that others have learning to do you might want to take a step back… the A-Bomb was a result of splitting the atom. Splitting the atom has produced many good things, it may even be powering your house. However humans, being the corrupt beings we are, found ways to use it for ill as well.
IVF has nothing to do with Masturbation, pornography or pride… unless you believe that pride is the desire to have children in which case I respectfully disagree. I understanding that wanting a child out side of what seems to be “God’s Will” could be considered pride… but do you really know the Will of God?
Yes and no I guess right? The Church teaches us the what God wants for His Children and right now IVF is not one of those. So in this case, right now, as a Catholic, I would probably say it wouldn’t be God’s will. However when my wife and I, we didn’t use IVF, used as less invasive technique to get pregnant with our first child we didn’t know it wasn’t “God’s Will” and I’m a former Youth Minister.
Thus I believe it was God’s Will that gave us our first child and all the others (we seem to be baby machines since the first one). Our journey home was even partially inspired through that child… I believe that it’s somewhat simple to suggest that God can’t use whatever He wants to accomplish His will.
The OP isn’t a practicing Catholic and doesn’t even seem to be religous. Often God has us where He wants us so that He can bring us to where we need to be… My point is that God can do whatever He wants and for someone who doesn’t understanding the Theology (full knowledge and willing consent) it’s not even a mortal sin. Perhaps the joy of that Child is what will bring the OP back to her roots and become a practicing Catholic again?
Joe
Earlier on the original poster said she was considering “embryo adoption,” which, I believe, involves the implantation of only one already-created embryo that would otherwise be disposed of. Still against Church teaching, but at least not as horrific as the typical IVF process. She says she has thought through the implications.
No, she didn’t say she was going to adopt an embryo; she said that she would adopt out her “extras.”
Ohhhh … forgive me. :doh2: I misunderstood. If this is the case, it is even more troubling.
This made me laugh, “whatever dude” hah…
I thought you meant you were a Catholic Youth Minister, and didn’t know that IVF was bad (and that therefore it must not be bad, because you were the teacher, and you didn’t know) - I didn’t realize that you weren’t Catholic. Sorry!!
I agree with the sentiments expressed above. Best wishes, prayers and peace as you and your husband decide how to best grow and manage your family. I would encourage you both to exercise great discretion and privacy with your decision making-- even with/ particularly with-- extended family members. That you are expecting a baby and a due date are about all the info they really need. My view on bringing offspring into the world has always been the following: anyone not present at conception is not welcome to attend pre-natal visits or the delivery nor are they entitled to any related medical details, naming rights or visiting privileges unless invited by the parents.
Thats exactly what I told my own family, lol. It saved a lot of annoyance.
Why do you dislike calling your pre-born child an embryo? Do we not use words such as newborn, teen, senior? Do you not call a 12 year old pre-teen? Is young adult offensive to you?
I think this is also part of why the Church is opposed to IVF; because the parentage of the children cannot be known with certainty. (I mean, who is to say that the husband’s sperm won’t be substituted with someone else’s at the last minute, if something goes wrong?)
and also thing we cant even begin to imagine. Its has to do with more then just science. thats for sure.