How will Pope Francis impact traditionalists?

[Irock104]

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With that out of the way, how do you think Pope Francis’s palpacy will affect traditional Catholicism? Please remain civil and objective.

 

[Angel_Gabriel]

Honestly I don’t think he’s going to negatively affect traditional Latin Catholicism. I don’t think he will do anything about it one way or the other.

Now, as an Easterner I am quite happy that he is very familiar and accepting of the Eastern traditions. We Eastern Catholics may get quite a bit of help from him in this regard! The fact that the Ecumenical Patriarch is going to the his papal inauguration/enthronement mass speaks volumes.

Liturgical traditions aside, he seems like a very humble and good man…I admire that.

 

[Ad_Orientem]

We don’t know because we don’t know the future. What’s the point of speculating about it?

 

[kmuestwin]

I think it’s kind of silly that you believe you have the authority to 1) remove posts and 2) give infractions. Especially for points 1-5.

That being said, I am very excited about this Pope’s election and I can’t wait to see how the Church flourishes under his guidance.

 

[porthos11]

I think it’s kind of silly that you believe you have the authority to 1) remove posts and 2) give infractions. Especially for points 1-5.

That being said, I am very excited about this Pope’s election and I can’t wait to see how the Church flourishes under his guidance.

He enclosed the whole thing in quotes, because they don’t come from him. He was quoting the moderators.

Personally, I believe traditionalists will be allowed to continue and flourish within the framework already laid down by Pope Benedict. Groups such as the FSSP and ICRSS will continue to grow and prosper.

However, I do not believe that Pope Francis will exert any more effort to reach out to those still in irregular or quasi-schismatic status. From the looks of it, his papacy is going to be more social and doctrinal. I think he will still be a strong pope, but he will be calling out those in error within the Church, such as politicians and erring clergy. I also think he will be more focused on improving the lot of the poor. And I think he will be loved by the vast majority of Catholics.

 

[PJM]

=Irock104;10493875]The title is somewhat self explanatory. Here are the ground rules, they come from one of the moderators.

"The following will not be tolerated:

1. Bashing the Holy Father

1. Passing judgment on him and his actions, because they don’t meet your approval or your preferences

1. Attempting to impose the model of previous popes on the new pope

1. Labeling the new pope

1. Speaking about his papacy in a negative way, without giving the man a chance

1. Or any other behavior that the moderators find unacceptable on a Catholic forum

Such posts will be removed and infractions given.

Please keep in mind that Catholic Answers is truly Catholic, faithful to the Holy See and respectful of the Holy Father."

With that out of the way, how do you think Pope Francis’s palpacy will affect traditional Catholicism? Please remain civil and objective.

Taking the discussion fromits natural beginning point:

Pope Francis is GOD"S choice

Clearly their is much that remains to be done

Pope Francis follows TWO really outstanding and exceptional Popes who have laid a “ROCK-solid” foundation from which he will continue God’s work.

In my research of His Holiness these words seem to aptly describe Him:

Holy [Pious]

Humble [same may calim too much so]

Pragmatic [sees problems; anaylizes them and resolves them]

These attributes seem idealy suited for the task at hand. Amen

LET US PRAY!

pat/PJM

 

[erlembald]

As someone else here recently wrote, Pope Emeritus Benedict’s Motu Proprio “Summorum Pontificorum” actually advanced a bottom-up approach to the promotion of the EF, i.e., traditional believers could “force” their bishop to let them have the EF in their diocese. Before that, it was kind of a “gift” or privilege the bishops bestowed on the faithful if they were so inclined.
So I believe this grassroots movement will continue, even though the Holy Father will most likely not make the promotion of the EF a main point in his service. He needn’t, either. God has probably other things in mind for him.

 

[Mrs_Sally]

He enclosed the whole thing in quotes, because they don’t come from him. He was quoting the moderators.

Personally, I believe traditionalists will be allowed to continue and flourish within the framework already laid down by Pope Benedict. Groups such as the FSSP and ICRSS will continue to grow and prosper.

However, I do not believe that Pope Francis will exert any more effort to reach out to those still in irregular or quasi-schismatic status. From the looks of it, his papacy is going to be more social and doctrinal. I think he will still be a strong pope, but he will be calling out those in error within the Church, such as politicians and erring clergy. I also think he will be more focused on improving the lot of the poor. And I think he will be loved by the vast majority of Catholics.

I agree. I don’t think the efforts to reach the SSPX will be anywhere near the level they were with Pope Benedict. That train appears to have left the station. The FSSP and other recognized groups will grow according to their own efforts and the needs of the laity as it should be. Pope Francis having a close relationship with the Eastern Catholics is huge in my opinion. The possibility of reconciliation with the Orthodox is mind blowing.

 

[LINVS]

I suspect he won’t have much of an impact on Traditionalists. He won’t invalidate any of the advances Tradies made with Pope Benedict out of respect for Pope Benedict and since he’s theologically conservative. Pope Francis does seem to the Left of Pope Benedict, from what I know of him thusfar.

 

[YoungTradCath]

I don’t think liturgy will be too much of a concern for Francis.

 

[Bartolome_Casas]

I think Pope Francis will be very accomodating of the SSPX, especially the Holocaust-denying bishop has been ejected from the SSPX. I think Pope Francis is very smart and brave and will not give in to pressures and threats from bishops and cardinals who bear an irrational hatred towards SSPX and all they stand for.

 

[Faithdancer]

I think Pope Francis will be very accomodating of the SSPX, especially the Holocaust-denying bishop has been ejected from the SSPX. I think Pope Francis is very smart and brave and will not give in to pressures and threats from bishops and cardinals who bear an irrational hatred towards SSPX and all they stand for.

Not sure about Bishop Williamson, but I hope you are right about the rest!

 

[erlembald]

I agree. I don’t think the efforts to reach the SSPX will be anywhere near the level they were with Pope Benedict. That train appears to have left the station. The FSSP and other recognized groups will grow according to their own efforts and the needs of the laity as it should be. Pope Francis having a close relationship with the Eastern Catholics is huge in my opinion. The possibility of reconciliation with the Orthodox is mind blowing.

A reconciliation with the Orthodox churches (full union with Rome) would indeed be an event of an almost eschatological scale! If this would happen, many other denominations (e.g., certain Lutheran, Anglican and Episcopalian groups) would surely follow. If I’d be able to see this gashing wound in Christ’s body heal in my lifetime, after a millennium of tragic division, I’d be truly blessed!

 

[Timothysis]

I don’t think liturgy will be too much of a concern for Francis.

I agree. We just had a new edition of the Pauline Missal implemented and Summorum Pontificorum has freed the Latin Mass to those who desire and maintain it. There really isn’t much more that needs to be done as far as the liturgy is concerned.

 

[ringil]

As someone else here recently wrote, Pope Emeritus Benedict’s Motu Proprio “Summorum Pontificorum” actually advanced a bottom-up approach to the promotion of the EF, i.e., traditional believers could “force” their bishop to let them have the EF in their diocese. Before that, it was kind of a “gift” or privilege the bishops bestowed on the faithful if they were so inclined.
So I believe this grassroots movement will continue, even though the Holy Father will most likely not make the promotion of the EF a main point in his service. He needn’t, either. God has probably other things in mind for him.

I think this is a good summation of the situation with those favoring the EF and traditional devotions.

Benedict, pretty much did what needed to be done to make these devotions available. What more would need to be done in this regard?

As it stands those who desire traditional devotions should have an avenue to attain them. Case closed. Now Francis can move on to what God’s want him to do.

Different popes will have different roles and emphasis.

 

[Eufrosnia]

The title is somewhat self explanatory. Here are the ground rules, they come from one of the moderators.

"The following will not be tolerated:

1. Bashing the Holy Father
2. Passing judgment on him and his actions, because they don’t meet your approval or your preferences
3. Attempting to impose the model of previous popes on the new pope
4. Labeling the new pope
5. Speaking about his papacy in a negative way, without giving the man a chance
6. Or any other behavior that the moderators find unacceptable on a Catholic forum

Such posts will be removed and infractions given.

Please keep in mind that Catholic Answers is truly Catholic, faithful to the Holy See and respectful of the Holy Father."

With that out of the way, how do you think Pope Francis’s palpacy will affect traditional Catholicism? Please remain civil and objective.

First, totally unrelated to your actual question but according to condition (5), you pretty much rule out any one from saying anything other than good or neutral effect for tradition.

Second, keeping in mind your condition, the conclusion of this thread must have already been obvious to you i.e. it can only have neutral or good impact on traditionalist

 

[tcat]

He’s a liberal Jesuit so I am a bit scared for the future of the Church. He looks like he will not be the who repeals the usage of the Novus Ordo. If anything, it seems like the N.O will be expanded in use over his pontificate.

 

[porthos11]

First, totally unrelated to your actual question but according to condition (5), you pretty much rule out any one from saying anything other than good or neutral effect for tradition.

Second, keeping in mind your condition, the conclusion of this thread must have already been obvious to you i.e. it can only have neutral or good impact on traditionalist

It’s not from the original poster; it’s from the moderator notice above.

 

[anp1215]

As someone else here recently wrote, Pope Emeritus Benedict’s Motu Proprio “Summorum Pontificorum” actually advanced a bottom-up approach to the promotion of the EF, i.e., traditional believers could “force” their bishop to let them have the EF in their diocese. Before that, it was kind of a “gift” or privilege the bishops bestowed on the faithful if they were so inclined.
So I believe this grassroots movement will continue, even though the Holy Father will most likely not make the promotion of the EF a main point in his service. He needn’t, either. God has probably other things in mind for him.

Laity still can’t “force” a bishop to let them have the EF in their diocese.

 

[YoungTradCath]

I agree. We just had a new edition of the Pauline Missal implemented and Summorum Pontificorum has freed the Latin Mass to those who desire and maintain it. There really isn’t much more that needs to be done as far as the liturgy is concerned.

What I mean is, he doesn’t seem particularly interested in liturgy.