How will the Pres. back out of the N.D. mess?

[Sean_Boyle]

In your opinion what will the Pres. do or say as an excuse for not going to speak at the graduation this year at Notre Dame?

It seems as if the pressure will increase from the Catholic public making for an unsavory experience for the graduates. The University has backed themselves into a corner by saying that they will not rescind the invitation. The only face saving “out” for the Pres. and N.D is to have the President apologize for not being able to attend due to some other commitment.

What do you think it will be and how long until the announcement is made?

It may be presumptive to imagine that this is possible, but by talking about it now, I was hoping to minimize the effects of “the reason or excuse” that the Pres. gave for not coming, allowing for the small victory for “life” to be realized for what it is and with all its significance.

 

[magdelaine]

In your opinion what will the Pres. do or say as an excuse for not going to speak at the graduation this year at Notre Dame?

It seems as if the pressure will increase from the Catholic public making for an unsavory experience for the graduates. The University has backed themselves into a corner by saying that they will not rescind the invitation. The only face saving “out” for the Pres. and N.D is to have the President apologize for not being able to attend due to some other commitment.

What do you think it will be and how long until the announcement is made?

It may be presumptive to imagine that this is possible, but by talking about it now, I was hoping to minimize the effects of “the reason or excuse” that the Pres. gave for not coming, allowing for the small victory for “life” to be realized for what it is and with all its significance.

I would agree with you that this would be the “genteel” thing to do, but speaking of a President who gave Gordon Brown 25 DVDs that won’t even play on British television sets as a gift in exchange for the priceless gifts he got in return, I doubt he nor the thugs in his administration have a genteel bone in their bodies.

Look, I really truly believe ND was chosen because of the controversy, not in spite of it. The administration is getting the notoriety they want out of this whole situation. There will be no rescinding the acceptance.

 

[nicolep]

I may have missed something so if I have, please excuse my ignorance on the matter.

I’m in Indiana as well. Has there been some kind of information stating Mr. Obama won’t be speaking at Notre Dame after all?

As you mentioned, Notre Dame isn’t going to rescind the invitation. I also don’t think that, no matter how large the number of Catholics that are outraged by this, the President will back out of speaking.

We all know that he is vehemently pro-abortion. We all knew it before he got elected. What does that have to do with him speaking at Notre Dame? Obviously, no one wants to hear the usually anti-life rhetoric he spews, but he probably wouldn’t talk about that anyway.

For better or for worse, he is our Commander in Chief. I would have been honored to have the President of the United States speak at my college graduation regardless of his stance on abortion.

Did I vote for him? No! However, the large majority of this country did and he is just as much my President as those who voted for him.

 

[catharina]

Sean, are you joking?
I can’t imagine he’ll be backing out.
Best hope is that the invitation is cancelled!

 

[magdelaine]

I may have missed something so if I have, please excuse my ignorance on the matter.

I’m in Indiana as well. Has there been some kind of information stating Mr. Obama won’t be speaking at Notre Dame after all?

As you mentioned, Notre Dame isn’t going to rescind the invitation. I also don’t think that, no matter how large the number of Catholics that are outraged by this, the President will back out of speaking.

We all know that he is vehemently pro-abortion. We all knew it before he got elected. What does that have to do with him speaking at Notre Dame? Obviously, no one wants to hear the usually anti-life rhetoric he spews, but he probably wouldn’t talk about that anyway.

For better or for worse, he is our Commander in Chief. I would have been honored to have the President of the United States speak at my college graduation regardless of his stance on abortion.

Did I vote for him? No! However, the large majority of this country did and he is just as much my President as those who voted for him.

The problem is that the most well-known Catholic university is honoring the most pro-death president we’ve had yet. It’s a matter of scandal, as he’s being held up as an example for the students of Notre Dame, who are ostensibly Catholics, to follow. It says “abortion isn’t all that important” even to Catholics.

Anyway, here’s a rundown of thought on the issue, some of which is said way better than I can say: article.nationalreview.com/?q=OTBlNmY2NzM4ODdkNDY0NzRjMzA3OTZlYjg5YzcwYjU=&w=MA==

 

[Contarini]

In your opinion what will the Pres. do or say as an excuse for not going to speak at the graduation this year at Notre Dame?

It seems as if the pressure will increase from the Catholic public making for an unsavory experience for the graduates. The University has backed themselves into a corner by saying that they will not rescind the invitation. The only face saving “out” for the Pres. and N.D is to have the President apologize for not being able to attend due to some other commitment.

What do you think it will be and how long until the announcement is made?

It may be presumptive to imagine that this is possible, but by talking about it now, I was hoping to minimize the effects of “the reason or excuse” that the Pres. gave for not coming, allowing for the small victory for “life” to be realized for what it is and with all its significance.

In other words, you can count on President Obama’s graciousness and diplomacy, and you are openly plotting to abuse it

And you wonder why the prolife cause doesn’t prosper better, in spite of its intrinsic reasonableness! It’s partly because it has defenders like you.

Edwin

 

[lizaanne]

In your opinion what will the Pres. do or say as an excuse for not going to speak at the graduation this year at Notre Dame?

Are you kidding??? I’m sure he LOVES this!!! He is stomping all over everything that is quintessentially Catholic by being there. He clearly hates the Catholic Church, just take one look at his cabinet and you can see that he has chosen some of the most notorious “Catholic-in-name-only” politicians in our life time!!

Oh no - he will be there with bells on, and I’m sure he is just loving up the fact that his presence is causing “real Catholics” to be so uppity about it.

He is a media hound - and if this gets his name in the headlines, he’s happy about it.

You can be sure that he wouldn’t miss this opportunity for the world. Not even his basketball brackets could pull him away.

~Liza

 

[Trader]

In other words, you can count on President Obama’s graciousness and diplomacy, and you are openly plotting to abuse it

And you wonder why the prolife cause doesn’t prosper better, in spite of its intrinsic reasonableness! It’s partly because it has defenders like you.

Edwin

There is some precedent for disinviting a proabortion speaker at Notre Dame. A few years ago, Indiana Lt Governor Joseph Kernan was disinvited. He was a Catholic, a graduate of Notre Dame, a Viet Nam War hero, a former POW, and former Mayor of South Bend who later became Governor when Governor Frank O’Bannon died in office.
www2.indystar.com/library/factfiles/people/k/kernan_joseph/index.html

He was also married to an Indiana Planned Parenthood board member. This innovative organization marketed Planned Parenthood gift certificates as Christmas gifts just a few months ago.

Due to a lot of pressure it was decided that he not be a commencement speaker. At the same time another commencement speaker was uninvited at Fort Wayne’s University of Saint Francis. She was a doctor who had appeared on television and had given a morally neutral answer to a question concerning abortion. Both universities made their decisions independently after consultation with Bishop D’Arcy.

At the time there was a lot of speculation that students at ND did not consider a mere Lt Governor to be prestigious enough for them. That will not be a factor this time.

Given Obama’s campaign and initial record in office, he has shown great political skill in using “catholic” politicians and institutions to convince voters that his policies are not extremist and that he is acceptable to mainstream Catholics. There is no way the President will cancel this appearance short of a major emergency.

This is one more trial that authentic Christians will have to bear, but our side will win in the end. “If the Lord is with us, who can be against?”

 

[Cat]

I may have missed something so if I have, please excuse my ignorance on the matter.

I’m in Indiana as well. Has there been some kind of information stating Mr. Obama won’t be speaking at Notre Dame after all?

As you mentioned, Notre Dame isn’t going to rescind the invitation. I also don’t think that, no matter how large the number of Catholics that are outraged by this, the President will back out of speaking.

We all know that he is vehemently pro-abortion. We all knew it before he got elected. What does that have to do with him speaking at Notre Dame? Obviously, no one wants to hear the usually anti-life rhetoric he spews, but he probably wouldn’t talk about that anyway.

For better or for worse, he is our Commander in Chief. I would have been honored to have the President of the United States speak at my college graduation regardless of his stance on abortion.

Did I vote for him? No! However, the large majority of this country did and he is just as much my President as those who voted for him.

The “large majority” of this country did NOT vote for him. 54% voted for Barack Obama. 46% voted for John McCain. That’s hardly a “large majority.”

 

[Sean_Boyle]

In other words, you can count on President Obama’s graciousness and diplomacy, and you are openly plotting to abuse it

And you wonder why the prolife cause doesn’t prosper better, in spite of its intrinsic reasonableness! It’s partly because it has defenders like you.

Edwin

Actually I was counting on N.D to realize their mistake because of the backlash and the threats by alumni and parents to withdrawn donations thus making the Univ. give the Pres. an opportunity to back out before they embarrassed him by rescinding the offer.

If Pres. Obama had any graciousness or diplomacy he wouldn’t openly back the killing of 4000 Americans a day by abortion. I am not afraid to point that fact out. More people should.

Sometimes the fly/honey scenario works as you have suggested, but the audience here seems to deal better with straight talk and truth. Sorry if that offended you.

 

[quiet52]

President Obama, the top abortion activitist in the nation, will not back out – he most likely is relishing this scandal.

ND should back out. The board of trustees, which hires and fires the university president, should immediately replace Father Jenkins with a president who has the conviction to help the university be a true light of Christ.

 

[TracyJ]

Actually I was counting on N.D to realize their mistake because of the backlash and the threats by alumni and parents to withdrawn donations thus making the Univ. give the Pres. an opportunity to back out before they embarrassed him by rescinding the offer.

If Pres. Obama had any graciousness or diplomacy he wouldn’t openly back the killing of 4000 Americans a day by abortion. I am not afraid to point that fact out. More people should.

Sometimes the fly/honey scenario works as you have suggested, but the audience here seems to deal better with straight talk and truth. Sorry if that offended you.

There has to be a better way to promote the best interests of the unborn. Too many folks are turned off by what is being labeled at straight talk.

 

[TracyJ]

Actually I was counting on N.D to realize their mistake because of the backlash and the threats by alumni and parents to withdrawn donations thus making the Univ. give the Pres. an opportunity to back out before they embarrassed him by rescinding the offer.

If Pres. Obama had any graciousness or diplomacy he wouldn’t openly back the killing of 4000 Americans a day by abortion. I am not afraid to point that fact out. More people should.

Sometimes the fly/honey scenario works as you have suggested, but the audience here seems to deal better with straight talk and truth. Sorry if that offended you.

I’m sure that everyone won’t pull their contributions, but if enough people do and ND closes down, or becomes a secular University, that wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.
I think that it’s a thrilling idea to have a president speak at a graduation.
I will say that with all the hostility towards the president I personally would not want him anywhere around the angry parents or even some of the members on this forum.
However, whatever will be will be.
People in college are of legal age, it’s up to them, not the parents, to determine what is appropriate for this issue.
Parents who want to control their children with money aren’t doing the right thing anyway.

 

[TracyJ]

Are you kidding??? I’m sure he LOVES this!!! He is stomping all over everything that is quintessentially Catholic by being there. He clearly hates the Catholic Church, just take one look at his cabinet and you can see that he has chosen some of the most notorious “Catholic-in-name-only” politicians in our life time!!

Oh no - he will be there with bells on, and I’m sure he is just loving up the fact that his presence is causing “real Catholics” to be so uppity about it.

He is a media hound - and if this gets his name in the headlines, he’s happy about it.

You can be sure that he wouldn’t miss this opportunity for the world. Not even his basketball brackets could pull him away.

~Liza

People who are this hostile towards our President actually frighten me.
He is not a media hound, he has learned a way to go directly to the people and to sidestep the media.

 

[manualman]

Catholics who are not outraged by the ND invitation are almost by definition catholics who seem abortion as just another political issue. It is not. It is THE civil rights atrocity of our generation. What else involves 50 million victims? Obama talks a nice talk about reducing abortion. Big deal, talk is cheap. His ACTIONS to date have beento eliminate every restriction on abortion that he can, force taxpayers to fund abortions to the maximum extent that he can, force taxpayers to fund experiments on the unborn (stem cell research) and to force taxpayers to fund abortions overseas as foreign aid.

The man has blood all over his hands. To invite him to speak and grant him an honorary degree will be remembered by history and future anti-catholics will pull it out to demonstrate how the catholic church failed to oppose the killing of unborn children!

Any and all eligible to attend the ND commencement speach SHOULD go. Bring ketchup packets. When Obama speaks, smear blood (ketchup) on your hands and hold them high facing Obama through the entire speach. Remind him and the world of the blood of the innocents in a silent, non-violent, but unmissable manner.

 

[quiet52]

I think that it’s a thrilling idea to have a president speak at a graduation.
QUOTE]

The truth that Christ proclaims and wants us to acknowledge and proclaim is much more thrilling than anything a U.S. President can say – especially a president who misuses his office to force the nation to embrace his evil policies through our taxes.

 

[roanoker]

Obama lacks the graciousness and class to back off from this conroversy, and the leadership at the university either doesn’t have the backbone to get out of it, or don’t want to, pro-life sensibilities be damned…There are several graceful ways for either party to back out of this thing. But my guess is they won’t. Roanoker

 

[Sean_Boyle]

I’m sure that everyone won’t pull their contributions, but if enough people do and ND closes down, or becomes a secular University, that wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.
I think that it’s a thrilling idea to have a president speak at a graduation.
I will say that with all the hostility towards the president I personally would not want him anywhere around the angry parents or even some of the members on this forum.
However, whatever will be will be.
People in college are of legal age, it’s up to them, not the parents, to determine what is appropriate for this issue.
Parents who want to control their children with money aren’t doing the right thing anyway.

I have yet to see anything that would be considered offensive. Nothing to meart your warnings at least.

Your way off base here…

The optimism and rebellious nature associated with youth still ring thru in your words

 

[elts1956]

I would agree with you that this would be the “genteel” thing to do, but speaking of a President who gave Gordon Brown 25 DVDs that won’t even play on British television sets as a gift in exchange for the priceless gifts he got in return, I doubt he nor the thugs in his administration have a genteel bone in their bodies.

Look, I really truly believe ND was chosen because of the controversy, not in spite of it. The administration is getting the notoriety they want out of this whole situation. There will be no rescinding the acceptance.

Nor no backing out by brand X.

25DVDs that don’t work?? Takes brains, or nerve.

 

[elts1956]

I would agree with you that this would be the “genteel” thing to do, but speaking of a President who gave Gordon Brown 25 DVDs that won’t even play on British television sets as a gift in exchange for the priceless gifts he got in return, I doubt he nor the thugs in his administration have a genteel bone in their bodies.

Look, I really truly believe ND was chosen because of the controversy, not in spite of it. The administration is getting the notoriety they want out of this whole situation. There will be no rescinding the acceptance.

In other words, you can count on President Obama’s graciousness and diplomacy, and you are openly plotting to abuse it

And you wonder why the prolife cause doesn’t prosper better, in spite of its intrinsic reasonableness! It’s partly because it has defenders like you.

Edwin

In what way has the tolerance for pro abortion individuals by perhaps over 50% of Catholics (including those that voted for bo. ) in the past 45 years strengthened the Pro Life agenda? Bo is the most abortion, POTUS who has ever existed. A school having Catholic values would not have invited him. So I guess this proves where many members of the Notre Dame administration stand.

TOLERANCE IS FOR THE PERSON WITH NO CONVICTIONS