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Hoosier_Daddy
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If only he had left us some kind of message, some kind of book like thing we could look to for answers. I wish he had done that…:
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SAVINGRACE
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M-Dent
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I recall Cardinal Giacomo Biffi quoting some of the works of Vladimir Soloviev during a retreat which Benedict XVI attended. It made some sense. Unfortunately, I could see a day when masses of people jettison Jesus, his death and resurrection to all get along.
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Lost_Sheep
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I wouldn’t call it a “problem”; it’s more like a concern. I always wondered if indeed Christ’s return would be in a spectacular fashion, or if He would return as a simple, quiet man who gains a small following of the True Believers leaving everyone else behind.
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goout
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Or better yet, come to live among us personally!
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mikekle
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Funny and kind of eerie that this very thing is so prevalent today…there are numerous threads on here with people making this very claim.
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mikekle
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BUt for this person to fool so many, even the faithful (and the elect), its pretty obvious he will have to appear to be a very devout and good catholic, and Id bet its safe to assume, to even suggest this person was the AC, would be frowned upon, probably get someone banned at CAF or excommunicated from the CC.Of course you can. With the plain speaking.
Revelation 1:7 says, "Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him.”
So is this in Matthew.
Matthew 24:27 states that the return of Christ will be like the brightness of lightning illuminating the entire sky from the east to the west
Its not a trick question in an exam. Jesus doesnt lie. If Jesus says we will see him, and there will be choirs of Angels, and what we know of earth will be ripped open, there you go.
Jesus and biblical writers also warn of a person masquerading as Jesus, first, who will fool many, even the faithful. But that fake person wont be announcing his fake arrival in such a manner.
So if someone rocks up to you and says hey there I am Jesus, unless you are a Saint privy to private revelation, or , unless the world’s just ended, and everyone sees Jesus descending from Heaven, its a safe bet fake news is at work again.
Revelation is thought to have been written by the Apostle John, while living in exile in a cave. The language of this book was quite common in some Old Testament books, and perhaps better understood back in the day. We still understand Jesus is being described as the lamb with the seven horns. We understand the martyrs dressed in white robes asking how much longer. We understand the answer that there are still more martyrs to join them, (this was written 2k years ago).
So whether the author really saw all this and wrote as a visual diary, or as a narrative, one day we will know.
BTW, Rev. also speaks of a 10 horned beast coming out of the sea, most people do not believe a real monster with 10 horns is going to exit the sea during this time, instead, its representative of something else.
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adamhovey1988
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I stick with my Bible. No one knows the hour or the day. I do know that the Bible tells us to look for signs but I also know that we being fallible human beings tend to read our own meanings into things. I will tell you that every generation has always thought since the time of Christ that it was the last one. I think it appropriate to say that we are living in the end times we have been for 2000 years.
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mikekle
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Well sort of, the AC will be ‘groomed’ by satan thru out his life, preparing them to take on that role when they reach the right age, so if this is true, satan would have to know at least 15-30 yrs in advance, and really once the AC announces himself to be God, the bible gives a pretty detailed timeline on what will happen, leading up to Jesus returning, so…
Regarding all the signs, it is true every generation has thought they were the ones, but looking at the detailed signs we are warned of, it is only our current time that meets nearly all of them at one time.
The only one I have not seen is multiple false prophets coming with great signs and wonders, if this were true, video would be all over the internet of them doing things no one else can do.
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SAVINGRACE
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Interesting point…we will have the Church to look towards for guidance as many will follow the False Prophet believing him to be Christ.
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Bookcat
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no.
You will know it.
You will know it.
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NICKUSAF
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Lots of good discussion here. Let me ask this; since the Lord is free from what we would consider time and space, could the return of Christ already have happened? Better yet, could the return of Christ be an individual experience? Does it have to be a specific day/date/time as our never human minds understands time?
After all, Christ was present at the beginning, He was present with Moses…all before He was born of a human body. Could the end of times be similar?
After all, Christ was present at the beginning, He was present with Moses…all before He was born of a human body. Could the end of times be similar?
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M-Dent
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Good question. But, no.
We can be confident his return in Glory will be as clear as the point in human history as his incarnation in humility.
In addition, I found the art of Jesus in the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington DC apropos to this topic.
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SAVINGRACE
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What does that mean? Will it be similar to how I felt when I had my encounter with Our Lady? I felt a tremendous surge of what I call “pure love energy” throughout my entire body, it almost made me faint, the room was spinning but I was standing still. I felt like I was going to be elevated. I was an atheist when that encounter occurred.
I wonder if everyone will feel that when Christ returns or only those worthy.
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Sky_River
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Won’t we be in Heaven before he does?Good question, because many will be deceived by another.
ewtn.com/faith/teachings/judga2.htm
newadvent.org/cathen/08552a.htm
Revelation 1:7 says, "Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him.” There will not be a person on earth who is unaware of Jesus’ return. Jesus Himself describes the manner of His coming. Matthew 24:27 states that the return of Christ will be like the brightness of lightning illuminating the entire sky from the east to the west. Verses 30 and 31 of the same chapter describe Jesus coming with power and great glory and with the sound of a great trumpet, that awakens the righteous dead who are then gathered from the ends of the earth
There wont be any doubt.
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Roseeurekacross
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Yep, the Bible says this person will be a wolf in sheep’s clothing. And even able to perform convincing spectacular magic tricks. And no doubt would lead to readers on CAF thinking you or I had a few too many roos loose in our top paddock when we pointed out the evil this person is. What’s that movie line
’ he is not the Messiah, just a very naughty boy '!
We did a few Revelation readings in Mass last year. The Priest would always say dont panic. And then go on to explain what the church thought some of the imagery read meant. Ie the Lamb was Jesus.
Some of the beasts carrying horns, standing lamps, heads etc were thought to be tribes and countries. I cant remember which was which though
One beautiful passage was this
biblehub.com/revelation/22-1.htm
Douay-Rheims Bible
And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb
Thats a fav with one of my Priests .
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Roseeurekacross
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If we are saints
There will be living and dead. Final judgement. I guess people, like myself, (hopefully) will be breaking rocks in purgatory between death and Jesus second coming .
Coming to Heaven with me, Sky River?
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I don’t know if I’m allowed to comment here but most Baha’is accept the return of Christ in the year 1844… which as you may recall was also the expected time by Millerites… (those who accepted the prophecies outlined by William Miller in the early nineteenth century). In May of 1844 the Bab Siyyid Ali Muhammad declared He was the Promised One in Shiraz, Persia… Baha’u’llah declared He was “Him Whom God will make manifest” as prophesied by the Bab and this occurred in 1863 in Baghdad… Of course we Baha’is also believe the Manifestations of God are the Return of the previous Ones… so in that since we would say Baha’u’llah was also the return of Christ.
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SAVINGRACE
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Wow!
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