How would I know if this is Jesus or devil?

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My son has been hearing a voice for a month. I’ve been going through a serious trial. DSS took my baby at 2 months old because I tried to breastfeed her and she lost weight. She is now 6 months old. This voice told him that I would not get her back until I learned a lesson. The voice, claiming to be Jesus (or my son believed him to be), told my son what the lesson was and told him not to tell me and that I needed to figure it out on my own.

Would Jesus say this?

Please pray for my daughter to come home soon. Thank you.
 
My son has been hearing a voice for a month. I’ve been going through a serious trial. DSS took my baby at 2 months old because I tried to breastfeed her and she lost weight. She is now 6 months old. This voice told him that I would not get her back until I learned a lesson. The voice, claiming to be Jesus (or my son believed him to be), told my son what the lesson was and told him not to tell me and that I needed to figure it out on my own.

Would Jesus say this?

Please pray for my daughter to come home soon. Thank you.
There is I think more to this… Why would they take your baby for this reason… surely you can get advise on the babies weight loss… How old is your son ? Do you all go to church on a regular basis ? has your son heard voices prior to this event ?
would your trial have bearing on all these events in your family ?
 
Since breastfeeding has been natural from the beginning and many babies lose weight early on, you did nothing wrong.

And Jesus wouldn’t play headgames with you, saying I have a message about her but I’m not going to tell her, she needs to figure it out on her own.

I think Satan is attacking you. Many government programs are anti-nature and anti-breastfeeding, from what I have heard.
 
Praying for your family. I hope all works out soon and you are all reunited.
 
After reading your question, it brings more questions to mind. Like, why don’t you bring your son to a counsler. He shouldn’t be hearing voices in his head, it sounds more a mental illness.

This online test is developed by The Institute of Social Psychology (Tyumen, Russia) and is absolutely free. schizoid.info/

Also, is it possible that your son that your son could just be being mean because of the venuralble state you are in. Maybe you should take the test too.

In my honest opinion, and I mean no disrepect, I think that you both need a little therapy.

I agree with the previous poster, Jesus or God do not play mind games with people and are never ever cruel. I really hope that everything works out for you and you can get your baby back soon.

Good luck and God bless.
 
Tell your son to ask the voice to say “Blessed be Jesus and Mary”.

Thats the surest way to find out if apparitions or heavenly signs are really from heaven above, or from… you know where.
 
Tell your son to ask the voice to say “Blessed be Jesus and Mary”.

Thats the surest way to find out if apparitions or heavenly signs are really from heaven above, or from… you know where.
I believe the Church warns us not to engage such spirits/voices in the off-chance that they indeed be malevolent. Saying a prayer to St. Michael for you and your family:

Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle; be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray; and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl throughout the world, seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.
 
You know I heard a voice at one point in my life saying something similar. I voice that was Jesus told me that he was testing my mom. We would be late for school everyday because of traffic and she always got angry and shouted. Jesus said it was a test to see if she would be able to control herself but I couldn’t tell her. In the end she passed and the traffic has never been as bad. I think you should test the spirit but it could be Jesus
 
Tell your son to ask the voice to say “Blessed be Jesus and Mary”.
Please don’t do this. This isn’t a fictional movie. Regardless if your son is hearing voices or not, the last thing he needs is his already stressed out mother instilling fear into him. Jesus doesn’t test us by giving us riddles to try to decipher through a little boy.

You need to get both you and your son into counselling ASAP. If your son is really hearing voices he needs to see a doctor. If he’s just making it up for attention he needs to see a doctor. If it’s a financial burden on you to do this speak to your pastor about a reference for church assistance.

I’ll pray for you and your family.
 
Please don’t do this. This isn’t a fictional movie.
From Jesus to St Gemma:

*He then tried to disguise himself in various forms, on one occasion in the confessional as her confessor, on another occasion as her Angel, and on a third occasion as Jesus Himself, to mention only a few. Jesus however soon taught her the means to distinguish heavenly apparitions from evil ones—at the first appearance of any vision she was to say “Blessed be Jesus and Mary”. If the vision repeated the salutation, she knew it was from God. If not, then she knew it was of demonic origin. At most the evil apparitions would say “Blessed be.” This rule of discernment given her by Jesus was to put and end to the devils masquerades. *

If an apparition or a voice constantly communicates with a person, and that person is unsure if its from heaven, then it would be wise to ask the voice or apparitions to repeat “Blessed be Jesus and Mary”.

Also, where did Juliannarose say her son was 6 years old? If thats the case then I would’ve told her to take him see a priest and a psychologist.
 
There is a Bible verse that states to test the spirits as follows (which many are familiar with):

John 4:1: Dearly beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits if they be of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

However, do agree with NeedsMercy to not engage but say the St. Michael prayer instead.

Your son must be very stressed out and sad with what has happened therefore, rendering him weak and susceptible. How old is your son, and what type of television programs is he watching?
 
Id anoint your son with holy water and sprinkle blessed salt around your home. Besides driving out demons, blessed salt also cures sicknesses such as for your infant child
 
Get a priest to bless your house if it hasn’t been done already. Aside from the St. Michael prayer others suggested investing in a St. Benedict medal might be a good idea. The Chaplet of St. Michael is good as well.
 
The background is long and I didn’t want to give it right away. I don’t want him to see a counselor and be tested for schizophrenia. I’m afraid he would be misdiagnosed with it when it is likely a spiritual thing.

My son is almost 17. I have another son who is 10. Then it’s my husband and myself. More than a year ago I had a major conversion experience and my husband and I went to daily Mass every day, frequent confession, and spent an hour or more in adoration everyday. We were students at the time and neither of us worked. We’d say a daily rosary with the other daily Mass attenders and sometimes a 2nd one with the family. I also did the the Divine Mercy 2-3 times daily and spent a lot of time listening to my mp3 player with Catholic hymns and meditating. We were (and mostly still) living totally and completely for God giving Him all of our trust. We gave up everything offensive to Him such as, birth control, anything past a pg rating, secular music, etc. I gave up TV and internet almost completely. I became a much better person. I was more patient, more kind, more loving, a better housekeeper, a better wife, a better mom, etc.

Soon things start to happen to me. First, major sorrow over my sins and of Jesus’ Passion. I cried hard and long several times. Then for a week I experience this unbelievable physical feeling that lasted a week. It felt like my blood had menthol in it. I had this huge urge to go to an Adoration chapel, but I was stuck at a hotel 3 hours from home for the weekend for a marriage retreat. Throughout the weekend, this physical feeling gets stronger and stronger only to be revealed at the end of the weekend that the Blessed Sacrament was exposed all weekend long in a nearby room with our names on a board for the hourly adorers could pray for us and our marriage. I had no idea. This same physical feeling now comes and goes on occasions either at Mass during Consecration/Communion or confession.

During all this, my 10 yr old was more on board with all the in home changes and the extra religious activities than the 16 yr old. The 16 yr old was somewhat on board and offered many sacrifices and wrote prayer requests for various deceased people whenever he saw a book at one the parishes we went to for such purpose. But he wouldn’t give up offensive things such as what he watched on TV mostly. He didn’t go to daily Mass with us and he didn’t say many prayers with us.

My husband, myself, and my 10 yr old believe we heard God.

I heard God with my ears once, once when I was about to doze off during meditating, and occasionally He spoke through me 1-2 words. When He did that, the word would come out of my mouth, but no control or thought on my part. Several times it was a word I never even heard before, but a real word that I could look up online. It was always an answer to a question I was thinking about.

My husband and my 10 yr old son both heard Him in the Adoration chapel (not the same day). My husband gets several sentences told to him about His expectations and about how He needed to help me with my faith and trust. This was said because soon after, my 19 yr daughter left the state and moved 8 hours away and within 3 weeks after, our one and only car was stolen. But it most probably has to do with the current situation with my baby since my faith and trust has been a major roller-coaster ride.

A few weeks later, I was in the Adoration chapel with the whole family. We’re by ourselves and I’m upset crying about our situation at the time. My 10 yr old speaks up and says, “mom, I think Jesus told me to tell you to have faith and trust and everything will be all right in about 2 months” I calculated that to be Sept 30th. He was right, mostly. The bigger main problem was resolved Sept 30th. The other problem, wanting my older daughter to move back, well that’s free will and He won’t mess with that.

Since my car got stolen in July, we started to become more “normal”. We had no way of getting to Mass or chapel for 2.5 months and we soon mostly stop formal prayers. In Oct we moved and we get on the city bus line and my husband works a 12 hour evening shift. I begin to get back to the way I was above and 4 months later, my baby is taken and I’ve been on a major roller coaster. What remains the same during this situation is daily Mass, regular confession, and avoiding offensive music, TV etc, but I don’t do the prayers or meditating as much any more and I’ve had a lot of whining and complaining over my situation and not a lot of trust, as well as a lot of questioning God. I’ve threaten to leave God numerous times and to stop going to Mass. I just can’t. I’m so tired, I’m so tired, I’m so tired! For the most part, I feel like God left me and is offering no guidance.

And now this thing with my 16 yr old son. Who mostly doesn’t like going to Mass, saying prayers, thinks saying OG and GD are not using His name is vain, and mostly is uninterested in going to confession and mostly does not receive the Eucharist and doesn’t seem to care; has been hearing a voice in his “heart”, “sees” demons, purgatory souls, as well as Saints (who apparently paid us a visit while we were singing the Divine Mercy Chaplet at home) and he “sees” these beings when his soul “leaves” his body. He believes that one time his soul left his body and went to another part of his school to visit his girlfriend in her class and while he was there, he saw her surrounded by demons.

I don’t know what to do. I spoke to a few priests, but they recommend psych therapy. One of the priests I spoke to didn’t believe these experiences were really happening to us.
 
My son has been hearing a voice for a month. I’ve been going through a serious trial. DSS took my baby at 2 months old because I tried to breastfeed her and she lost weight. She is now 6 months old. This voice told him that I would not get her back until I learned a lesson. The voice, claiming to be Jesus (or my son believed him to be), told my son what the lesson was and told him not to tell me and that I needed to figure it out on my own.

Would Jesus say this?
We do not know. It takes discernment to find out if something like this is natural or supernatural in origin (which involves medical examination), and if the former were to be discarded, if it is from Christ or not.

It is possible that it is just a fantasy. This must be hard. But it does no harm to mention it to your local priest.
 
And now this thing with my 16 yr old son. Who mostly doesn’t like going to Mass, saying prayers…and mostly is uninterested in going to confession and mostly does not receive the Eucharist and doesn’t seem to care; has been hearing a voice in his “heart”, “sees” demons, purgatory souls, as well as Saints (who apparently paid us a visit while we were singing the Divine Mercy Chaplet at home) and he “sees” these beings when his soul “leaves” his body. He believes that one time his soul left his body and went to another part of his school to visit his girlfriend in her class and while he was there, he saw her surrounded by demons.

I don’t know what to do. I spoke to a few priests, but they recommend psych therapy. One of the priests I spoke to didn’t believe these experiences were really happening to us.
If this stuff is happening to him, medical visits and treatment are the first essential step. Right away. Possibly with a Catholic psychologist or psychiatrist (the parish or diocese may be able to help).

If no improvement comes after medical treatment at all, and still even then no priest pays attention to you, then you need to run this by the bishop.

But get the medical testing and treatment done first. Then it is easier to get priests (or religious, if there are any around…) to pay attention.
 
One of the best ways to discern something is to watch the fruits of the spirit. If something is from God it will produce the fruits of the spirit, if it is from the enemy it will produce the opposite fruits. Fear, terror, discord, anxiety, hopelessness, apathy.

The enemy can appear as an angel of light and do many confusing things. In the verse below we have a demon proclaiming the way to be saved. What a confusing thing! The work of the fortune-teller appeared good, but the fruits produced annoyance, and distraction.
Acts16:16Once when we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a female slave who had a spirit by which she predicted the future. She earned a great deal of money for her owners by fortune-telling. 17She followed Paul and the rest of us, shouting, “These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved.” 18She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so annoyed that he turned around and said to the spirit, “In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!” At that moment the spirit left her.
Beyond looking for the fruits you can also look for absurdities. The enemy cannot complete the illusion, there is always some small failure. It can be playing little games with you, doing things against scripture, or just saying something absurd. The “secret” game is a common tactic. “I’ve got a secret but I’m not going to tell you”. This gets the person engaged and focused on the demon.

Was your marriage approved by the family? Or are there members who hold enmity toward your family? You don’t need to answer me on that, nor address those members, but do mention it to the priest you talk to in regards to this situation.
 
Something that has been troubling me–how much weight did your daughter lose? Was she the first child you breastfed? Did she initially gain weight and then start losing or did she never get back to her birth weight? The reason I ask is that I have breastfed all 8 of my kids and three of them have had problems feeding. #3 couldn’t get enough suction to nurse sufficiently due to an extremely high palate. #4 had severe reflux and food allergies. #8 has severe reflux but no allergies. One of my sister’s babies also had trouble latching and was a poor nurser as well. What was the cause of and how severe was the weight loss? What did your pediatrician, OB, or midwife do to help you determine the problem and fix it? Did you seek help from a specialist such as a lactation consultant or a GI doctor? Did you contact La Leche League for support? Are any of these people helping you get your baby back? If no one helped you out, I am so sorry and I recommend you find new drs because these people did not do their job. They failed you, your family, and especially your daughter.
 
I’m sorry to hear of the predicament with your baby daughter 😦

As for your older son saying these things, I second the advice to get him medical attention straightaway. I also wouldn’t rule out the notion that he might be taking advantage of your faith in the Church, in order to manipulate you for whatever reason.

I will pray for you 😦
 
My son has been hearing a voice for a month. I’ve been going through a serious trial. DSS took my baby at 2 months old because I tried to breastfeed her and she lost weight. She is now 6 months old. This voice told him that I would not get her back until I learned a lesson. The voice, claiming to be Jesus (or my son believed him to be), told my son what the lesson was and told him not to tell me and that I needed to figure it out on my own.

Would Jesus say this?

Please pray for my daughter to come home soon. Thank you.
Please go to your Parish Priest and discuss with him. Go to regular confession and after which recieve the Eucharist at Mass for strength. Ask your Parish Priest about Spiritual Direction. That is ALL anyone on these forums can rightly advise you to do.
 
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