How would it be different if Jesus were born a woman?

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It’s a question I’ve always thought about, because it’s quite fascinating. I think society at the time would’ve probably crucified her since traditionally, in certain situations, there hasn’t been much of a hesitation to put women to death. Handel’s Messiah would probably be different 😛
 
It’s a question I’ve always thought about, because it’s quite fascinating. I think society at the time would’ve probably crucified her since traditionally, in certain situations, there hasn’t been much of a hesitation to put women to death. Handel’s Messiah would probably be different 😛
Well, that’s a very hypothetical situation, since Jesus is the Son of God, not the daughter of God. Personally, I really don’t even speculate on those kinds of scenarios.
 
It’s a question I’ve always thought about, because it’s quite fascinating. I think society at the time would’ve probably crucified her since traditionally, in certain situations, there hasn’t been much of a hesitation to put women to death. Handel’s Messiah would probably be different 😛
I don’t think it’s possible, as Jesus is ‘the exact representation of the Father’, that is, male, not female. God revealed Himself as Father not as Parent, although there are certain passages where God uses feminine imagery to describe Himself, yet He never describes Himself as female in essence. Partly I think it may go back to the idea of males as active and females as passive (did they actually have women back then - I know a lot of active females who would actively object to being described as passive) but I suspect there is something intrinsically male about God in a way that means He is not female.

God as male, Jesus as male, Levitical priesthood as male, patriarchy, male apostles: I sense a pattern that would have been broken if Jesus had been born a girl. As I said, I think it is impossible.
 
Well, that’s a very hypothetical situation, since Jesus is the Son of God, not the daughter of God. Personally, I really don’t even speculate on those kinds of scenarios.
Those kinds of scenarios can help us think through some things that we might not otherwise realize, so they can be fun - as long as they are done within certain limits, such as propriety.

Could Jesus have been born a frog? No. Why? He could not have died for the sins of mankind because He would not have been part of it, for one thing. That makes me appreciate the incarnation a little better.
 
It’s a question I’ve always thought about, because it’s quite fascinating. I think society at the time would’ve probably crucified her since traditionally, in certain situations, there hasn’t been much of a hesitation to put women to death. Handel’s Messiah would probably be different 😛
“Muhammad My Friend”

Muhammad my friend
It’s time to tell the world
We both know it was a girl back in Bethlehem
And on that fateful day
When she was crucified
She wore Shiseido Red and we drank tea
By her side

Sweet sweet
Used to be so sweet to me

Muhammad my friend
I’m getting very scared
Teach me how to love my brothers
Who don’t know the law
And what aobut the deal on the flying
Trapeze got a peanut butter hand
But honey do drop in at the
Dew Drop Inn

Sweet sweet
Between the boys and the bees

And Moses I know
I know you’ve seen fire
But you’ve never seen fire
Until you’ve seen Pele blow
And I’ve never seen light
But I sure have seen gold
And Gladys save the place for me
On your grapevine
Till I get my own TV Show

Ashre ashre ashre ashre
And if I lose my Cracker Jacks at the
Tidal wave I got a place
In the Pope’s rubber robe
Muhammad my friend
It’s time to tell the world
We both know it was a girl
Back in Bethlehem

Tori Amos lyrics.

Tori sings a whole lot about satan, lucifer and jesus. She’s one of those people from up above, here on Earth now, doing what she does. The musicians you know, sometimes, they’re the Angels.
 
It’s a question I’ve always thought about, because it’s quite fascinating. I think society at the time would’ve probably crucified her since traditionally, in certain situations, there hasn’t been much of a hesitation to put women to death. Handel’s Messiah would probably be different 😛
If Jesus would have been born as a woman during the times of the Roman Empire no one would have listened to Him. I’m wondering if Jesus as a female would have been considered a sorceress by the Jews. To be honest, the outlook wouldn’t be very different; He would have been stoned to death or crucified (was crucifixion a punishment for men AND women?).
 
I loved this question too!
Second, maybe she would have been burned at the stake instead of being crucified…because people would have considered her healing and miracles witchery (did they burn witches back then or no?).
I think we’re all in agreement that she would be put to death. My money’s on stoning.
Third, it may have been more difficult and dangerous for her to move around and talk to people being female–she would have had her “friend” each month, so there’s that discomfort…and also, men may have tried to physically take advantage of her.
Then again, if we are to believe that Jesus never felt the same sexual feelings as other men (is this what is taught?) then if she was the daughter of God, maybe she would not have her period every month.
And her band of followers could have kept her safe.
Really! If you go by *Leviticus *15:19-30, a menstruating woman was so unclean, she made everyone and everything around her unclean too. So a female Jesus would basically have to hide at least seven days out of the month. That being the case, she would have to preach for more than three years to make up for her lost days.
Fourth…she and Mary Magdalene would have been BFFs. 🙂
And Mother Mary would have completed the trio of women in charge, making choices and deciding on everything together using heart, intuition, patience, and love.
The three would have traveled together as a team, with Joseph as their helper and guard, and the followers of course…and Christianity would have been structured from the get-go in a more female-focused way: female priests, female pope.
What a neat idea!
In fact…would it not make more sense for a “daughter” of God to make up for the sins in the Garden of Eden…since it was Eve who dared to pluck the fruit from the tree of knowledge and take that first big, history-changing, eternal bite?
Ah-ha! Good point!

Had Jesus been female, I can just imagine how different the world would be, probably for the better, but I’m biased, of course… 😃
 
+JMJ+
It’s a question I’ve always thought about, because it’s quite fascinating. I think society at the time would’ve probably crucified her since traditionally, in certain situations, there hasn’t been much of a hesitation to put women to death. Handel’s Messiah would probably be different 😛
Remember that all of Creation prepared for the coming of the Messiah. Jesus couldn’t have been born a female because it would contradict the prophecies about him from both the Jewish and pagan worlds. Also, as DaddyGirl has said, the society in which Jesus was born into would have made females rather difficult to be listened on and followed. Just these two things would have made Jesus not be followed by anyone, imho.

If God the Father had meant Jesus to be born female he would have at least changed the prophecies, and would even change the whole history of the world.
 
I don’t think it’s possible, as Jesus is ‘the exact representation of the Father’, that is, male, not female. God revealed Himself as Father not as Parent, although there are certain passages where God uses feminine imagery to describe Himself, yet He never describes Himself as female in essence. Partly I think it may go back to the idea of males as active and females as passive (did they actually have women back then - I know a lot of active females who would actively object to being described as passive) but I suspect there is something intrinsically male about God in a way that means He is not female.

God as male, Jesus as male, Levitical priesthood as male, patriarchy, male apostles: I sense a pattern that would have been broken if Jesus had been born a girl. As I said, I think it is impossible.
God is neither masculine nor feminine. Jesus was a man because He was born into a patriarchal society which would have rejected a female Messiah:
The status of women in Palestine during the time of Jesus was very decidedly that of inferiors. The woman is “in all things inferior to the man,” said first century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus. Jewish Rabbis in the first century were encouraged not to teach or even to speak with women. Jewish wisdom literature tells us that “he that talks much with womankind brings evil upon himself and neglects the study of the Law and at the last will inherit Gehenna [hell].” It was in this oppressive context that Jesus lived.
jesuscentral.com/ji/life-of-jesus-modern/jesus-feminist.php
 
Second, maybe she would have been burned at the stake instead of being crucified…because people would have considered her healing and miracles witchery (did they burn witches back then or no?).
I’m pretty sure that Jewish and Roman law didn’t burn people at the stake for witchery.
 
if we are to believe that Jesus never felt the same sexual feelings as other men (is this what is taught?)
No, it’s not what the Church teaches. Jesus was like us “in all things but sin.” That doesn’t at all mean that he was deficient in testosterone… :rolleyes:
then if she was the daughter of God, maybe she would not have her period every month.
:hmmm: And… just why would a sterile “daughter of God” have been a good thing?
And Mother Mary would have completed the trio of women in charge, making choices and deciding on everything together using heart, intuition, patience, and love.
This says more about 21st-century notions of feminism than a reflection of how 1st century Palestinian women looked at the world. Are there any indications that a female incarnation of God would have been egalitarian in her approach? Or that “heart, intuition, patience and love” isn’t indicative of how Jesus thought and acted?
and Christianity would have been structured from the get-go in a more female-focused way: female priests, female pope.
So, help me understand: How would a Jewish woman, whose priesthood under the Mosaic covenant was male, teach that not one letter of the law be abolished… but in the same breath, abolish the male priesthood? Just curious… 😉
because Jesus didn’t use his body in any gender-specific way
Wait – you’re claiming that the only way we use our bodies, in a “gender specific way”, is through procreation? So… in other words, a person who does not participate in the procreation of children has no gender? :rolleyes:
PS–the apostles would be a mix of both men and women. Because the daughter would choose by who is best to do it, not limiting it by gender.
Again… this makes for a nice feel-good statement, but projecting 21st-century attitudes on a time and culture that didn’t share these notions, just doesn’t hold water. :hmmm:
 
It’s a question I’ve always thought about, because it’s quite fascinating. I think society at the time would’ve probably crucified her since traditionally, in certain situations, there hasn’t been much of a hesitation to put women to death. Handel’s Messiah would probably be different 😛
Then Christ(ina) would be the Bride and the Church would be the Groom?
 
It’s a question I’ve always thought about, because it’s quite fascinating. I think society at the time would’ve probably crucified her since traditionally, in certain situations, there hasn’t been much of a hesitation to put women to death. Handel’s Messiah would probably be different 😛
Not to mention the entire structure of family and authority.

“Husbands, [submit to] your wives as to the Lord.”



wait a minute…

Somewhat relevant article:

Priestesses in the Church? by CS Lewis
Suppose the reformer stops saying that a good woman may be like God and begins saying that God is like a good woman. Suppose he says that we might just as well pray to “Our Mother which art in heaven” as to “Our Father”. Suppose he suggests that the Incarnation might just as well have taken a female as a male form, and the Second Person of the Trinity be as well called the Daughter as the Son. Suppose, finally, that the mystical marriage were reversed, that the Church were the Bridegroom and Christ the Bride. All this, as it seems to me, is involved in the claim that a woman can represent God as a priest does.
 
Just a random thought…

If the trinity is: father, son and holy ghost or holy spirit

Wouldn’t it be logical to think the holy ghost / holy spirit is FEMALE?

Why wouldn’t there be a female component of the trinity?
 
Just a random thought…

If the trinity is: father, son and holy ghost or holy spirit

Wouldn’t it be logical to think the holy ghost / holy spirit is FEMALE?

Why wouldn’t there be a female component of the trinity?
If the Holy Spirit were a ‘mother’ – that is, if it were the mother of the son – then you might have a case. However, the Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son, not the Son who proceeds from the Father and the Holy Spirit… 😉
 
Just a random thought…

If the trinity is: father, son and holy ghost or holy spirit

Wouldn’t it be logical to think the holy ghost / holy spirit is FEMALE?

Why wouldn’t there be a female component of the trinity?
Male and female is a symbolism in sacred scripture between God and creation. In sacramental matrimony, the male is as Christ and the female is as the Church. In this sense, all of us are female, and God is male (though God has no biological gender)

We do not penetrate and enter into God. God penetrates and enters into us. This is why Gabriel was sent to Mary to proclaim the Incarnation. This is also why Jesus Christ was a man. It would be no other way.
 
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