How would you answer this email? Women's Roman Catholic Priests (edited)

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Traditional_Ang said:
Shin:

All Bishops who “Ordain” “women Priests” are automatically excommunicated along with their “Ordinands”. The “Laity” within the organization who have witnessed thes “Ordinations” have been censored, along with those publishing this newsletter. Fair enough?

Your Brother & Servant in Christ, Michael
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A traditional Anglican! So close. 🙂 Good to hear from you.

Until people recapture the simple knowledge that to be Catholic means to believe what has always and everywhere been believed, and there will be and cannot be any new teachings, but only the tradition of Revelation given us from the Apostles – and that this is sacred and holy, we will keep on having these aberrant groups.

Well, we will keep on having them anyway, but there’ll be less of 'em, and they’ll cause less trouble. lol.
 
Cluny said:
If they reject the idea of a hierarchial ministry, why do they make such an issue of claiming to have ordained priests?
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I don’t think it is the idea of a heirarchy that they reject. What they reject is a heirarchy with actual authority that they can’t get into. They can’t accept the idea that there is such a thing as authority that is rightful but that isn’t going to be given to them. So they have essentially named themselves faithful members of the Roman heirarchy, in defiance of the Pope.

On those grounds, they’ve been excommunicated, but they “reject their excommunication”, asserting that they are faithful *Roman *Catholics. Not a new rite, not a new denomination, not in schism, but rather priests who are loyal and fully in communion with the same Pope who has repeatedly explained in no uncertain terms that it beyond his own authority to ordain them priests.

The mental gymnastics required for that one are beyond me to explain.
 
Shin said:
A traditional Anglican! So close. 🙂 Good to hear from you.

Until people recapture the simple knowledge that to be Catholic means to believe what has always and everywhere been believed, and there will be and cannot be any new teachings, but only the tradition of Revelation given us from the Apostles – and that this is sacred and holy, we will keep on having these aberrant groups.

Well, we will keep on having them anyway, but there’ll be less of 'em, and they’ll cause less trouble. lol.
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Amen
 
sambos671 said:
Good. So then they’re nutters, right?
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FastLearner said:
Wouldn’t that just make them an ecclesial community not in full communion with the Bishop of Rome?
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The problem is, they will not accept the fact that they are not in full communion.

They are in denial about the fact that being excommunicated means you’re not in communion with Rome. They think that “rejecting” the fact can change the fact. They also seem to think that their sense of right and wrong should be the ultimate measure for a billion other Catholics. They want to suppose that they value apostolic succession and yet choose for themselves what that means, rather than let the successors to the apostles define it.

Again, how one can imagine to be in communion with someone with true authority who has told them flatly that they aren’t in communion is beyond me, except to assume they are in denial.

I think it is a bit crude to use the word “nutters” for someone who is in denial, though. Their level of denial does not reach the level of psychosis. Even if it did, the mentally ill deserve to be spoken of with more respect. I’d save words like “nutters” for ourselves, and those others whom we laugh with, not those who may feel laughed at. I think these Catholics are as wrong as can be, but they are in deep pain over that, and that deserves compassion.
 
They shouldn’t be able to use the phrase “Roman Catholic” then. There is nothing apostolic about them.
 
BOBKAT said:
Hi Kathy,

Here’s a link to the Women’s Roman Catholic Priest. It is really interesting.

marymagdalenecommunity.org/Who_Are_We.html

When I was looking at her wedding pictures she told me she was married by one of the priest who claim they are RC, I happened to blurt out that we have no women priest and she sent me this email. While I will defend my faith I need help in doing it charitably so any help from you guys would be greatly appreciated.

God Bless
Kathleen
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They are just as valid as he people next door who claim to be second generation Martians, who originally arrived here in the 1950‘s. They may REALLY believe that they are, but it does not make it so!
 
BOBKAT said:
Hi Kathy,

Here’s a link to the Women’s Roman Catholic Priest. It is really interesting.

marymagdalenecommunity.org/Who_Are_We.html

When I was looking at her wedding pictures she told me she was married by one of the priest who claim they are RC, I happened to blurt out that we have no women priest and she sent me this email. While I will defend my faith I need help in doing it charitably so any help from you guys would be greatly appreciated.

God Bless
Kathleen
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it is not honored by rome. and the bishops who have ordained women are punished by rome. it is agaist roman tradition. there is a sign on the clubhouse door. men only…
 
FrCorey said:
it is not honored by rome. and the bishops who have ordained women are punished by rome. it is agaist roman tradition. there is a sign on the clubhouse door. men only…
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Catholicism and Christianity is poorly represented by the term “clubhouse”. Pliny considered Christian communities to be simply hetaeria. Christians gave their communities a more substantial name in the NT. Ekklesia which the Roman Senate also called themselves.
 
FrCorey said:
it is not honored by rome. and the bishops who have ordained women are punished by rome. it is agaist roman tradition. there is a sign on the clubhouse door. men only…
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It’s not only against Roman tradition, it’s against Catholic Doctrine!
 
lizaanne said:
This woman is not validly married. That is how you start the conversation.
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I’m not sure about that. My understanding is that if the couple are free from diriment impediments, understand the nature of their act, etc, etc, and make their vows before a witness, then the marriage is sacramentally valid. The question of whether a woman can validly confer the nuptial blessing is, I think, a separate one.
 
Rose_Maniple said:
I’m not sure about that. My understanding is that if the couple are free from diriment impediments, understand the nature of their act, etc, etc, and make their vows before a witness, then the marriage is sacramentally valid. The question of whether a woman can validly confer the nuptial blessing is, I think, a separate one.
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While it’s true that the couple administers the sacrament to one another, I do believe either a valid priest or deacon must be present in order for it to be a real Catholic marriage. Whatever the state has issued them, is another matter entirely.
 
Rose_Maniple said:
I’m not sure about that. My understanding is that if the couple are free from diriment impediments, understand the nature of their act, etc, etc, and make their vows before a witness, then the marriage is sacramentally valid. The question of whether a woman can validly confer the nuptial blessing is, I think, a separate one.
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Catholics are required to meet the requirements of canon law and the requirements of their Bishop. The OP’s coworker obviously did not do that and therefore this marriage is invalid if the co worker is Catholic.
 
Seatuck said:
Catholics are required to meet the requirements of canon law and the requirements of their Bishop. The OP’s coworker obviously did not do that and therefore this marriage is invalid if the co worker is Catholic.
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Not so fast. This isn’t as simple as going outside the Church to enter into a marriage witnessed by a minister of a different denomination, or by a justice of the peace. This is also an act of defiance within the Church that undermines the life of the Church.

I don’t have the canon law background to say this, but it seems possible that the Church might regard a Catholic who recognizes the attempted ordination of a woman in this way as being complicit in attempting to confer ordination upon her, and in doing so incurs an excommunication latae sententiae. It was my impression that all Catholics who attempt to give legitimacy to the ordination of women by assisting women in their attempts to exercise priestly functions would, by those attempts, leave the Church. It does not say as much in “The General Decree Regarding the Delict of Attempted Sacred Ordination of a Woman”(vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20071219_attentata-ord-donna_en.html), but canon law may be that inclusive.

Excommunicated Catholics are not bound by the requirements of canon law, and a tribunal regards the validity of their marriages differently.

But yes, either she’s a Catholic who has left the Church or she is not validly married within the Church, because there are no female Catholic priests.
 
This is narcissistic self- engrandizement.
Women’s role in the Catholic Church is powerful and important. I accept the fact that I can not be a priest since I am married. I do not totally agree with the Church on this matter but I totally accept the Churches Authority on this matter.

Women and Men in the Laity of the Catholic Church are still ordered by Jesus to preach the Good News! There is enough work to be done that will keep us busy for the rest of our lives on Earth! Pick up your cross and go!

Priests are necessary for the Administration of the sacraments , Other than that I find often they get in the way of the Body Of Christ on Earth as we do what Jesus commanded. ( Ask a nun! ) There is a saying in my parish- when Father asks to help with a project ask him to go bake cookies for awhile so things can get done!

We must die to ourselves to live in Christ! The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away Blessed be the name of the Lord!

Viva Papa Benedicto XVI

( I could write more but I have to go help my neighbor! He just called. Peace to all!)
 
I found that I could get a big rise out of Episcopalian friends (and members of these splinter pseudo-Catholic groups) by pointing out in a very humble and sincere tone of voice that the Roman Catholic Church does not ordain priestesses and does not allow priestesses to preside at liturgies, but that I have heard that some other Christian groups are now ordaining and using priestesses. This usually triggers such a cognitive dissonance response that those present are at a loss for words. Sometimes people begin to realize that it is as impossible for a woman to validly confect the Eucharist as it is to “confect” a man out of a woman. “Woman Priest” = oxymoron.
 
BOBKAT said:
Hi Kathy,

Here’s a link to the Women’s Roman Catholic Priest. It is really interesting.

marymagdalenecommunity.org/Who_Are_We.html

When I was looking at her wedding pictures she told me she was married by one of the priest who claim they are RC, I happened to blurt out that we have no women priest and she sent me this email. While I will defend my faith I need help in doing it charitably so any help from you guys would be greatly appreciated.

God Bless
Kathleen
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We do not now, or ever, have priestesses in the Catholic Church. The woman who claimed to be a priestess is an imposter, and there is not a valid marriage. Pax Christi
 
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