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An e-mail I got:

“The Bible and the facts of Jesus’s life, death and ressurection, are the ONLY, let me repeat in case you didn’t hear. ONLY hope for this nation and our planet. There is one way to heaven, and Catholic pomp and circumstance, with it’s Mary worship (I saw her statue cry!!!) coupled with ritual for rituals sake, certainly won’t get you there. No my misguided friends, the only way to heaven, and Jesus said it so if you “disagree” you aren’t disagrreing with me, you’re disagreeing with HIM- is to place your faith in him adn his atoning death on that cross, some 2008 years ago on Golgotha, ask him to take off those blinders and come into your heart and make you a new person, and then repent and live for HIM from this day forward.”

I can answer the Mary worship part but the statues with tears - which the church has affirmed in some cases. Not sure on that. Ritual for rituals sake - not too sure on that.

Any suggestions are appreciated!
 
rien said:
How about the “weeping statues”? How can I answer that in a Scriptural way?
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There are lots of things we may or may not be able to answer. But Jesus gave us the Church to answer such things. Your fundamentalist friend is right that there is one way to heaven - through Jesus. That IS what the Catholic Church teaches. Jesus is the truth, the life, and the way. Ask your fundamentalist friend what the foundation of the truth is. The answer is the Church! 1Timothy 3:15 - “if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.”
 
Your friend is right.
The Bible and the facts of Jesus’s life, death and resurrection, are the ONLY, let me repeat in case you didn’t hear. ONLY hope for this nation and our planet.
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Now, how did God make sure the people of the world had access to the Gospel in the first place? And how was He to make sure 100 different people reading the Gospel wouldn’t come up with 100 different theologies and salvation messages?

First of all, the Bible didn’t just suddenly drop out of the sky into Luther’s lap one day! The Bible is a collection of ancient manuscipts deemed to be inspired by the Holy Spirit and officially recognized as such (Canonized) by the early CATHOLIC CHURCH. As we all know, when the early Church defined the books of the Bible, many manuscipts were REJECTED. It was the early fathers of the Church who defined the “Bible” in the first place, and it is therefore the PROPERTY of the CATHOLIC CHURCH.

Secondly, the “official” protestant Evangelical idea that the Bible “defines itself” is also erroneous. The proof’s in the pudding because, if this were the case, we would only have ONE “Protestant” Church! We don’t, and therefore the statement is blatantly false. Besides, NOWHERE in the Bible does it say that “sola scriptura” is the way to salvation. On the contrary, Christ spends all of His time defining and explaining the TRUE meaning of the scriptures to us. If the written Word was enough, His preaching was in vain! And, after His ascension, the Apostles spend all of their time defining and explaining Christ to us. What little we would understand about Christ were it not for the Apostle Paul! So why didn’t Paul just hand out Old Testament scriptures with a few Gospel accounts attached to them? Because “sola scriptura” is a lie, that’s why! “But” you say “Paul’s letters are part of Holy Scripture!”. EXACTLY MY POINT… and WHO decided that this would be the case? The CATHOLIC church!

And why did they do this? Because the Apostle Paul tells us to “stand fast, and hold the TRADITIONS which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.” - 2 Thess 2:15

Lastly, let me say that my own early American ancestors were “fundamentalists” who broke away from Holy Mother Church. They were ultra-protestants who helped establish the “Brethren” church in Pennsylvania. But like most protestants they have slowly, over the past 10 generations, drifted into the hands of secular atheism. This explains why the Catholic Church has endured for 2000 years, whilst protestantism continues to divide, sub-divide and flounder. This will continue to be the case until protestants fully understand what it means to be “evangelical”!

Can you be Catholic AND Evangelical? Yes, ABSOLUTELY!👍
 
AngloCatholic1 said:
Your friend is right.

Now, how did God make sure the people of the world had access to the Gospel in the first place? And how was He to make sure 100 different people reading the Gospel wouldn’t come up with 100 different theologies and salvation messages?

First of all, the Bible didn’t just suddenly drop out of the sky into Luther’s lap one day! The Bible is a collection of ancient manuscipts deemed to be inspired by the Holy Spirit and officially recognized as such (Canonized) by the early CATHOLIC CHURCH. As we all know, when the early Church defined the books of the Bible, many manuscipts were REJECTED. It was the early fathers of the Church who defined the “Bible” in the first place, and it is therefore the PROPERTY of the CATHOLIC CHURCH.

Secondly, the “official” protestant Evangelical idea that the Bible “defines itself” is also erroneous. The proof’s in the pudding because, if this were the case, we would only have ONE “Protestant” Church! We don’t, and therefore the statement is blatantly false. Besides, NOWHERE in the Bible does it say that “sola scriptura” is the way to salvation. On the contrary, Christ spends all of His time defining and explaining the TRUE meaning of the scriptures to us. If the written Word was enough, His preaching was in vain! And, after His ascension, the Apostles spend all of their time defining and explaining Christ to us. What little we would understand about Christ were it not for the Apostle Paul! So why didn’t Paul just hand out Old Testament scriptures with a few Gospel accounts attached to them? Because “sola scriptura” is a lie, that’s why! “But” you say “Paul’s letters are part of Holy Scripture!”. EXACTLY MY POINT… and WHO decided that this would be the case? The CATHOLIC church!

And why did they do this? Because the Apostle Paul tells us to “stand fast, and hold the TRADITIONS which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.” - 2 Thess 2:15

Lastly, let me say that my own early American ancestors were “fundamentalists” who broke away from Holy Mother Church. They were ultra-protestants who helped establish the “Brethren” church in Pennsylvania. But like most protestants they have slowly, over the past 10 generations, drifted into the hands of secular atheism. This explains why the Catholic Church has endured for 2000 years, whilst protestantism continues to divide, sub-divide and flounder. This will continue to be the case until protestants fully understand what it means to be “evangelical”!

Can you be Catholic AND Evangelical? Yes, ABSOLUTELY!👍
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This is good stuff but I am looking for a Biblical basis for weeping statues of host turning into blood. Catholic tradition has asserted that but where is there something in Scripture that would affirm that possibility?
 
rien said:
An e-mail I got:

“The Bible and the facts of Jesus’s life, death and ressurection, are the ONLY, let me repeat in case you didn’t hear. ONLY hope for this nation and our planet. There is one way to heaven, and Catholic pomp and circumstance, with it’s Mary worship (I saw her statue cry!!!) coupled with ritual for rituals sake, certainly won’t get you there. No my misguided friends, the only way to heaven, and Jesus said it so if you “disagree” you aren’t disagrreing with me, you’re disagreeing with HIM- is to place your faith in him adn his atoning death on that cross, some 2008 years ago on Golgotha, ask him to take off those blinders and come into your heart and make you a new person, and then repent and live for HIM from this day forward.”

I can answer the Mary worship part but the statues with tears - which the church has affirmed in some cases. Not sure on that. Ritual for rituals sake - not too sure on that.

Any suggestions are appreciated!
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Open your e-mail program.
On the menu bar click “messages”
On the drop-down menu click “Block Sender”
On the pop-up, click “Yes”
 
mark_a said:
Open your e-mail program.
On the menu bar click “messages”
On the drop-down menu click “Block Sender”
On the pop-up, click “Yes”
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So Catholics don’t have an answer. Other than to block sender. Funny, the e-mail from the fundamentalist said Catholics had no answer to this and would run from it. You may be affirming that.
 
Catholics DO have an answer; you’ve received some. But to deal with ‘scattershot’ attacks like that post, you have to address point by point and because the attacks are so broad and so vague, you have to go into tremendous detail with each and every one.

And then, you also have to have some kind of ‘faith’ that the person involved will actually read and consider what you have written, and not just throw another ‘attack fest’ onto the fire. When you have phrases like ‘misguided friends’ and the whole ‘Mary-worship’ thing thrown into a relatively short but full diatribe. . .it doesn’t look like you have someone who might look with an objective eye but rather someone who not only has made up his mind but has swallowed his ‘story’ from the usual ‘cut-and-paste’ ‘evangelize to the lost papists’ websites. The old attacks made up of whole cloth, or twisted, or given a ‘slant’ to ‘appear’ genuine yet never were. . .

If I were you, rien, I would go right to the Catholic Answers library because some of those ‘attacks’ in the first post are answered or addressed right there. And may God bless you.
 
rien said:
So Catholics don’t have an answer. Other than to block sender. Funny, the e-mail from the fundamentalist said Catholics had no answer to this and would run from it. You may be affirming that.
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While forums are a different story, I block or ignore all unsolicited “religious” e-mail. Trying to respond to every crank out there is a no-win situation.
 
Tantum_ergo said:
Catholics DO have an answer; you’ve received some. But to deal with ‘scattershot’ attacks like that post, you have to address point by point and because the attacks are so broad and so vague, you have to go into tremendous detail with each and every one.

And then, you also have to have some kind of ‘faith’ that the person involved will actually read and consider what you have written, and not just throw another ‘attack fest’ onto the fire. When you have phrases like ‘misguided friends’ and the whole ‘Mary-worship’ thing thrown into a relatively short but full diatribe. . .it doesn’t look like you have someone who might look with an objective eye but rather someone who not only has made up his mind but has swallowed his ‘story’ from the usual ‘cut-and-paste’ ‘evangelize to the lost papists’ websites. The old attacks made up of whole cloth, or twisted, or given a ‘slant’ to ‘appear’ genuine yet never were. . .

If I were you, rien, I would go right to the Catholic Answers library because some of those ‘attacks’ in the first post are answered or addressed right there. And may God bless you.
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I did go to Ca. Didn’t find anythjing.

This is a simple question. Is there a Biblical precedent for weeping statuews and such? Apparently not. Judging from the lack of repsonses or the shutting my “handle” out as one above suggested. It affirms in a way the fuindamentalist poster. There is no basis for this kind of stuff in Chritianity.

That is cool. You all are affirming him. Guess that is why he is not Catholic.
 
The Bible and the facts of Jesus’s life, death and ressurection, are the ONLY, let me repeat in case you didn’t hear. ONLY hope for this nation and our planet.Yes, and don’t forget Sacred Tradition which does not contradict Scripture and which makes complete Christian teaching. There is one way to heaven,Yes, Jesus the way, truth and life and Catholic pomp and circumstance I thought Elgar wrote Pomp and Circumstance. . .seriously, Episcopalian and Lutheran liturgy not to mention Orthodox is just as ‘ornate’, and anyway, who said that liturgy should be plain? Certainly not the Jewish people from whose liturgy our own Catholic liturgy has descended with it’s Mary worship We do not worship Mary but we honor her as Scripture commands (I saw her statue cry!!! Non sequiter. What on earth does this have to do with Catholic teaching? You won’t find any Catholic dogma or 11th commandment “And thou shalt have Mary statues which cry” coupled with ritual for rituals sake Please kindly enumerate, with appropriate documentation, exactly what is meant by the phrase, exactly what ‘rituals for rituals sake’ Catholics utilize, with Scriptural proof AGAINST them, and consistent practice AGAINST them that existed from Apostlic times, certainly won’t get you there.Strawman. Since his arguments aren’t even based on a true perception of Catholicism, he’s basically erected a false ‘Catholicism’ and indicts us for practicing things we don’t do. No my misguided friends, Right back at’cha, my misguided friend the only way to heaven, and Jesus said it so if you “disagree” you aren’t disagrreing with me, you’re disagreeing with HIM- is to place your faith in him adn his atoning death on that cross,which is exactly what we do some 2008 years ago on Golgotha,so Math isn’t his strong point, it’s actually about 1980 years ago more or less if you posit that Jesus was born in AD1 (though it could have been anywhere from 6 BC through about AD 4 by most scholars’ consensus) ask him to take off those blinders Again, right back at’cha, my misguided friend. Learn the Truth about Catholicism, not the lies you’ve been fedand come into your heart and make you a new personyes, we Catholics do that every time we go to confession and to receive Christ, Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity, into our hearts AND our bodies in the Eucharist, just as Scripture tells us in John 6, and then repent and live for HIM from this day forward." As we do.

I can answer the Mary worship part but the statues with tears - which the church has affirmed in some cases. Private devotions. . .not dogmatic teachings. Besides, God can do any miracle, including making a statue cry. Is this person an iconoclast arguing, not about the ‘crying statue’ but about those ‘idols’ in general and trying to make them look satanic? Not sure on that. Ritual for rituals sake - not too sure on that.See above. He accuses. . .make him give specifics. And just what about those fine ‘scriptural’ practices like altar calls which some might think ‘rituals for rituals’ sake’ as well?

Any suggestions are appreciated! Listen to John Paul II-- Be not afraid. Trust in God and do not let attacks like this sway you. These attacks, after all, are for the most part ‘children’ of the reformation’ barely a few hundred years old in THIS incarnation, but all of them can be traced back to old heresies. . .iconoclassicism, semi-Pelagianism, Arianism, Gnosticism. . .your faith has stood firm for 2000 years. It will stand firm until the end.
 
😃 And I thought I was a fast reader. . .

Seriously, hon you are stuck on the ‘weeping statues.’

NOT DOGMA.

A Catholic is not required to believe in weeping statues, or even APPROVED APPARITIONS. These are private devotions which are WORTHY OF BELIEF but not REQUIRED for belief.

And there is your answer. A weeping statue may indeed be a miracle (we do agree, don’t we, that God can work miracles?) but it’s not an article of belief, not to be inserted in the Creed,

And we believe in God, the father almighty,
and the statue of Mary that weeps in St. Olaf’s Church,
and in Jesus Christ, only begotten Son. . .

etc.

This is in love (in case, it being late, that I err on the side of being abrupt or hasty. . .truly it is in love, and I hope will help, so please take it in the spirit of charity that I truly, truly wished for it to be).

Weeping statues are not part of Catholic ‘teaching’–they are merely (in some cases) deemed 'acceptable of belief, or not contradictory to Catholic teaching.

That is all. They can be aids to help us improve our devotion to God, but they are no substitute for God, and never were or will be.
 
rien said:
An e-mail I got:

“The Bible and the facts of Jesus’s life, death and ressurection, are the ONLY, let me repeat in case you didn’t hear. ONLY hope for this nation and our planet. There is one way to heaven, and Catholic pomp and circumstance, with it’s Mary worship (I saw her statue cry!!!) coupled with ritual for rituals sake, certainly won’t get you there. No my misguided friends, the only way to heaven, and Jesus said it so if you “disagree” you aren’t disagrreing with me, you’re disagreeing with HIM- is to place your faith in him adn his atoning death on that cross, some 2008 years ago on Golgotha, ask him to take off those blinders and come into your heart and make you a new person, and then repent and live for HIM from this day forward.”

I can answer the Mary worship part but the statues with tears - which the church has affirmed in some cases. Not sure on that. Ritual for rituals sake - not too sure on that.

Any suggestions are appreciated!
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If I were you, I wouldn’t respond at all. A person who sends out an email such as that is not worthy of a response. A person who takes time to actually speak with you and dialog-- perhaps. A person who blasts emails about how wrong you are is not going to be open to dialog. They are just repeating what they have heard. They mimic. They do not think.

Instead, I would suggest you focus on learning your faith. Seems like right now you aren’t too knowledgeable about your faith. Do you have a Catechism? Do you study it? Do you study the bible? Do you read books on Catholic doctrine and theology?

Why is the statement about ritual for ritual’s sake a stumper for you?
 
Tantum_ergo said:
The Bible and the facts of Jesus’s life, death and ressurection, are the ONLY, let me repeat in case you didn’t hear. ONLY hope for this nation and our planet.Yes, and don’t forget Sacred Tradition which does not contradict Scripture and which makes complete Christian teaching. There is one way to heaven,Yes, Jesus the way, truth and life and Catholic pomp and circumstance I thought Elgar wrote Pomp and Circumstance. . .seriously, Episcopalian and Lutheran liturgy not to mention Orthodox is just as ‘ornate’, and anyway, who said that liturgy should be plain? Certainly not the Jewish people from whose liturgy our own Catholic liturgy has descended with it’s Mary worship We do not worship Mary but we honor her as Scripture commands (I saw her statue cry!!! Non sequiter. What on earth does this have to do with Catholic teaching? You won’t find any Catholic dogma or 11th commandment “And thou shalt have Mary statues which cry” coupled with ritual for rituals sake Please kindly enumerate, with appropriate documentation, exactly what is meant by the phrase, exactly what ‘rituals for rituals sake’ Catholics utilize, with Scriptural proof AGAINST them, and consistent practice AGAINST them that existed from Apostlic times, certainly won’t get you there.Strawman. Since his arguments aren’t even based on a true perception of Catholicism, he’s basically erected a false ‘Catholicism’ and indicts us for practicing things we don’t do. No my misguided friends, Right back at’cha, my misguided friend the only way to heaven, and Jesus said it so if you “disagree” you aren’t disagrreing with me, you’re disagreeing with HIM- is to place your faith in him adn his atoning death on that cross,which is exactly what we do some 2008 years ago on Golgotha,so Math isn’t his strong point, it’s actually about 1980 years ago more or less if you posit that Jesus was born in AD1 (though it could have been anywhere from 6 BC through about AD 4 by most scholars’ consensus) ask him to take off those blinders Again, right back at’cha, my misguided friend. Learn the Truth about Catholicism, not the lies you’ve been fedand come into your heart and make you a new personyes, we Catholics do that every time we go to confession and to receive Christ, Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity, into our hearts AND our bodies in the Eucharist, just as Scripture tells us in John 6, and then repent and live for HIM from this day forward." As we do.

I can answer the Mary worship part but the statues with tears - which the church has affirmed in some cases. Private devotions. . .not dogmatic teachings. Besides, God can do any miracle, including making a statue cry. Is this person an iconoclast arguing, not about the ‘crying statue’ but about those ‘idols’ in general and trying to make them look satanic? Not sure on that. Ritual for rituals sake - not too sure on that.See above. He accuses. . .make him give specifics. And just what about those fine ‘scriptural’ practices like altar calls which some might think ‘rituals for rituals’ sake’ as well?

Any suggestions are appreciated! Listen to John Paul II-- Be not afraid. Trust in God and do not let attacks like this sway you. These attacks, after all, are for the most part ‘children’ of the reformation’ barely a few hundred years old in THIS incarnation, but all of them can be traced back to old heresies. . .iconoclassicism, semi-Pelagianism, Arianism, Gnosticism. . .your faith has stood firm for 2000 years. It will stand firm until the end.
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Thanks!
 
rien said:
This is a simple question. Is there a Biblical precedent for weeping statuews and such? Apparently not.
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First: The Bible is not the sole source of revelation, nor does it claim to be. I presume you are aware that Sola Scriptura is a heresy.

Second: The bible records numerous miracles. Weeping statues “and such” are miracles. Therefore, weeping statues have a biblical basis.

What, specifically, is problematic about a miracle of this type?
rien said:
Judging from the lack of repsonses or the shutting my “handle” out as one above suggested. It affirms in a way the fuindamentalist poster.
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It affirms no such thing.
rien said:
There is no basis for this kind of stuff in Chritianity.
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Only if your version of Christianity rejects miracles and signs.
rien said:
That is cool. You all are affirming him. Guess that is why he is not Catholic.
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He is not Catholic because he is ignorant of the Truth.
 
rien said:
An e-mail I got:

… is to place your faith in him adn his atoning death on that cross, some 2008 years ago on Golgotha…

Any suggestions are appreciated!
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The fundamentalist isn’t very good in math either. Is He confused that Christ was crucified at the same time we have Him being born?

2008 - 33 = 1975 (roughly) years ago.

It’s usually good to just say something like “almost 2000 years ago.”
 
rien said:
An e-mail I got:

“The Bible and the facts of Jesus’s life, death and ressurection, are the ONLY, let me repeat in case you didn’t hear. ONLY hope for this nation and our planet. There is one way to heaven, and Catholic pomp and circumstance, with it’s Mary worship (I saw her statue cry!!!) coupled with ritual for rituals sake, certainly won’t get you there. No my misguided friends, the only way to heaven, and Jesus said it so if you “disagree” you aren’t disagrreing with me, you’re disagreeing with HIM- is to place your faith in him adn his atoning death on that cross, some 2008 years ago on Golgotha, ask him to take off those blinders and come into your heart and make you a new person, and then repent and live for HIM from this day forward.”

I can answer the Mary worship part but the statues with tears - which the church has affirmed in some cases. Not sure on that. Ritual for rituals sake - not too sure on that.

Any suggestions are appreciated!
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I would ask the person who told you that what they meant specifically about ritual for ritual’s sake. Maybe that would help you explain things a little better. I had a similar argument with a friend of mine. Once they were more specific with what they disagreed with, I had an easier time explaining what Catholics believed and why; now my friend doesn’t get upset with me being a Catholic…in fact she defends the Church a little more. Make the person be more specific.😃
 
Actually, I wouldn’t respond at all. It appears the person who wrote that is a **very angry person **and his or her anger is going to be dumped upon the heads of those Catholics who are unfortunate enough to have to deal with it. When we are accused of “Mary worship,” it smacks of Church hating bigotry with much rhetoric to back it up to me. There are many who hate the Church, which to me means there is also a hatred of God which to me spells bigger trouble of the supernatural variety or perhaps of a sociopathological nature. Probably the best answer is no answer, but if you’re pressed for one, just say “Thanks for sharing and I’ll consider your ideas later.” Polite enough to end a potentially bad encounter.

Peace,

Gail
 
rien said:
An e-mail I got:

“The Bible and the facts of Jesus’s life, death and ressurection, are the ONLY, let me repeat in case you didn’t hear. ONLY hope for this nation and our planet. There is one way to heaven, and Catholic pomp and circumstance, with it’s Mary worship (I saw her statue cry!!!) coupled with ritual for rituals sake, certainly won’t get you there. No my misguided friends, the only way to heaven, and Jesus said it so if you “disagree” you aren’t disagrreing with me, you’re disagreeing with HIM- is to place your faith in him adn his atoning death on that cross, some 2008 years ago on Golgotha, ask him to take off those blinders and come into your heart and make you a new person, and then repent and live for HIM from this day forward.”

I can answer the Mary worship part but the statues with tears - which the church has affirmed in some cases. Not sure on that. Ritual for rituals sake - not too sure on that.

Any suggestions are appreciated!
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The first thing I recommend is to go to the heart of authority. Otherwise, he or she will go on assuming that the Bible alone is his or her authority. Lots of problems with a Bible alone assumption. If the Bible alone is the authority, then shouldn’t the Scriptures say that somewhere? The scriptures don’t. Ask him or her to show you where in Scripture is taught the Bible alone is the authority. They’ll probably point to 2 Tim 3:16 “All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice,” We agree that it is profitable, but Scripture doesn’t say it’s sufficient in and of itself. Therefore, Bible alone belief is a man made tradition. It is not a Godly Tradition.

Next, 2 Peter 1:20 tells us “Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation.” So, not only is it not included in Scriptures, but the bible is also opposed to this Bible alone man made tradition. What fundamentalists are actually referring to is their interpretation done privately. They believe each person can interpret Scriptures on their own as a final interpreter. We can read the Bible, and should. However, the Church that gave us the Bible is the infallible teacher of both the Oral and the Written Tradition (Sacred Scriptures).

Next, ask him or her what the pillar and ground of truth is… They will likely say the Bible, and you’ll say the Church (as a good Catholic would). Then ask Him or her to read 1 Tim 3:15 “But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.” Ask him or her when their church was founded and by whom. If it was founded after the Bible was written, then it can’t be the one the Bible is referring to. Besides, the Bible refers to one Church, not two or thousands with different Bible interpretations and different and conflicting dogma and doctrine. The Protestant model of church can’t be the pillar and ground of anything but chaos and anarchy. The Church already existed at the time Scripture was being written.

If you really want to blow their mind, tell them that the Scriptures were written by Catholics, for Catholics and the books of the Bible that he or she considers “God breathed” was chosen by the Catholic Church. Even Martin Luther admitted that without the Papists (Catholics), they would not have the Scriptures at all. The very Bible that they refer to opposes their being outside the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church built by Christ.

You can also ask him or her if their interpretation of Sacred Scripture is guaranteed to be infallible. The Catholic Church’s is!

Tell him or her that we honor Mary, and worshipping her is condemned by the Catholic Church. The Catechism is available to all the world, and shows what the Catholic Church teaches. Ask them to please show you where it instructs the faithful to worship Mary.

Next, remind them that accusing falsely is violation of the eighth Commandment of God. They had already made a lot of false accusations against Catholics in the email they sent.
 
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