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My friend does not understand the difference between redemption and salvation. She quotes john 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. Salvation or redemption is a free gift you dont have to earn it. but since we love him we try to be like him.He paid the price for our eternal life. Now concerning the rapture she beleives we will be taken up. Here is her explaination:Here’s what I have learned-the wheat and the tares were left to grow together until the harvest. At harvest time the tares will be bound in bundles to be burned, just like a real harvest. The evil will be bound for a time, but not totally removed. Why would God take out all the evil ones and leave us here to go the the final tribulation period of suffering? Besides this is God’s plan, not ours. He knows who are His and who have rejected himj. He knows the wheat from the tares and

He will be the one who takes us out of the way, so I
trust Him to do it right
can you explain with scripture references for me?
 
To me the interesting aspect is that God gave up his only son.

What parent here would offer their own son up for suffering if they could take their place? Is this ‘parental’ love? And if it was a matter of necessity (it had to be the son) is god limited?
 
Abraham offerred his son, God was using it as a type.

God choose to offer his son, like abraham it was a choice.

God choose to do it the way he did. God could have choosen to offer the Father, rather than the Son if he wanted to. It is just the way God choose to do it.
 
difference between redemption and salvation.

You may want to explain for any protestants reading this thread.
 
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difference between redemption and salvation.

You may want to explain for any protestants reading this thread.
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Actually, the answer to that is right in Jn. 3:16:

“For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son…” That’s redemption–God giving his Son as a “ransom for many.” Jesus’ death on the cross merited our redemption.

“…that whosoever believes in him might not perish but have eternal life.” That is salvation, which is an ongoing process of purification throughout our lives until our deaths. Jesus’ meritorious death opened the way to salvation.
 
for the ongoing purification, protestants called that santification.

Salvation, has aspects of past, present and future.

we simply in my mind use different words to describe what is in scripture.

You may want to discuss II Peter 1 with her making your salvation sure.
 
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for the ongoing purification, protestants called that santification.
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Of course, you mean some Protestants call ongoing purification sanctification. There are many who think they were instantly sanctified with a one time repentance and acceptance of Christ. 😉
Salvation, has aspects of past, present and future.
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Of course, but what aspects are true and which are the imaginings of men? There are so many diverse ideas about this topic alone in Protestantism as to render the topic impossible to answer for all Protestants in a single book, let alone a simple sentence or two.
we simply in my mind use different words to describe what is in scripture.
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Not always. There are many words in Scripture that Protestants of various sorts describe quite differently from one another let alone from those of the Catholic Church.
You may want to discuss II Peter 1 with her making your salvation sure.
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If she can even get her to talk on the same page about it. She’s having a hard enough time with Jn. 3:16 as it is!
 
those who believe in “entire santification”, “christian perfectionism” see it as a second grace-work-experience.

even OSAS theologians, sees santification as an ongoing process. Eph 2:10

sometime, you may want to pick up a copy of strong’s systematic theology to read.
 
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those who believe in “entire santification”, “christian perfectionism” see it as a second grace-work-experience.

even OSAS theologians, sees santification as an ongoing process. Eph 2:10
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Fine, but we don’t know if the OP’s friend defines these terms as you describe here. I don’t think wading her way through all that is going to be useful to the OP in her situation.
sometime, you may want to pick up a copy of strong’s systematic theology to read.
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I studied his theology in an Assemblies of God Bible college and am familiar with it, although I haven’t looked at it in years. Besides, a good many Protestants wouldn’t agree with him, be they liturgical Protestants, or on the other hand Evangelical/Fundamentalist/Pentecostals, or what have you. That’s the problem, you see, there’s not enough uniformity for anyone to build a consensus on not even on so basic an issue as this.

But, I believe we are taking the thread off topic. Our OP needs to understand where her friend is coming from in particular, and from what she described of her beliefs, her friend is definitely in the OSAS camp. Therefore she most likely believes quite firmly in it exactly as stated–that she cannot lose her salvation because she equates redemption with salvation, a common error many Fundamentalists have made.
 
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