How would YOU react if you were there?

[AgnosTheist]

Sure, just like the American (R)evolution and the Earth’s (R)otation are almost interchangeable.

Sorry, I have no patience to joke around, you’ve spent a fairly good deal of time not just slandering a religion, but much worse slandering an entire group of people, yet you seem to have a limited at best knoledge of the religion, not that I am some expert, and your social argument are usually incoherant and non-sensical, there is nothing wrong with being wrong, I just was a few moments ago, and constantly am, as are we all, however you have a serious responsibility to understand a religion before criticising it, and a much graver duty to be informed before slandering an entire group of people, you have abdicated these responsibilities, you constantly make unfounded, rediculious, and blatently conspiritorial assertions aghinst Muslims, yet have neither the honesty to support them, nor the descency to apologize to them.

Reformation and Revival. Its interchangeable based on context of use. In religious circles both terms are used in reference to ‘returning to roots’. Example: Wahabbism saw that the Ottoman’s have corrupted Islam. One can say that they worked to Reform the contemporary practice of Islam to go back to the original practice as intended by the Prophet (much like the protestant reformation). Yet another one can say that they worked to Revive the original practice of Islam to replace the corrupted version of the Ottomans. In that manner are both ideas interchangeable.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Wahhabist? Wahhabism? Wahhabi? Followers of Wahhab? You guys are kinda cute.

Al-Wahhab is an Arabic name for God, meaning roughly ‘The Giver of All.’ So when you guys say followers of Wahhab it’s like saying a follower of God. Kinda cute.

But the man you’re talking about was Ibn Abdul-Wahhab. His father’s name was AbdulWahhab (i.e., the slave of the Giver of All) So you’re talking about the son of AbdulWahhab (ibn means like ‘the son of’). Just wanted to point out that technicality for your own edification. (Yes I know who you’re talking about, but I want you to know, too!)

It’s true that Saudis tend to be followers of Ibn Abdul Wahhab. I say tend to be, because it isn’t an absolute following like a different religion, kind of mosque, or practice of Islam. What Ibn AbdulWahhab tried to do, in Islam, was stop all the false worship that had crept into Islam. He emphasized a strict understanding of tawheed (monotheism) and tried to stop the people from worshiping graves, statues, “saints” and even the Ka’ba.

We Muslims say for example that we don’t worship the Ka’ba, we just pray that way. There are some “officers” who stand by the Ka’ba and when people try to touch it they’ll hit their hands with prayer mats–so they don’t do it. Because it’s just rock!! It’s just rock and not something Muslims should worship… but this kind of paganism, idolatry, it sort of creeps in the religion. Ibn AbdulWahhab was trying to get people to understand tawheed, real monotheism, and not attribute divinity to objects (which was prohibited by Muhammad) and not to worship graves (also prohibited by Muhammad).

Today people say Wahhabi or “Salafi” for these people who are trying to follow the original interpretation of Islam, with regards to creed!! That doesn’t necessarily apply to law which is adaptable.

And for the record, Ibn Abdul-Wahhab was Hanbali, as are many schools today in Saudi Arabia. There isn’t really any veneration for Ibn AbdulWahhab. There was a pairing with Ibn Saud which helped form the “state” as we know it of Saudi Arabia, but I want to point out that it’s more to do with creed than law, and Saudi Law diverges in many places even from its own creed.

 

[LaMar]

Hey Sister Amy,

Thanks for such a great definition. I’m saving it (the highest compliment I can pay to any writer) on my hard drive, for future reference.

Wahhabist? Wahhabism? Wahhabi? Followers of Wahhab? You guys are kinda cute.

Al-Wahhab is an Arabic name for God, meaning roughly ‘The Giver of All.’ So when you guys say followers of Wahhab it’s like saying a follower of God. Kinda cute.

But the man you’re talking about was Ibn Abdul-Wahhab. His father’s name was AbdulWahhab (i.e., the slave of the Giver of All) So you’re talking about the son of AbdulWahhab (ibn means like ‘the son of’). Just wanted to point out that technicality for your own edification. (Yes I know who you’re talking about, but I want you to know, too!)

It’s true that Saudis tend to be followers of Ibn Abdul Wahhab. I say tend to be, because it isn’t an absolute following like a different religion, kind of mosque, or practice of Islam. What Ibn AbdulWahhab tried to do, in Islam, was stop all the false worship that had crept into Islam. He emphasized a strict understanding of tawheed (monotheism) and tried to stop the people from worshiping graves, statues, “saints” and even the Ka’ba.

We Muslims say for example that we don’t worship the Ka’ba, we just pray that way. There are some “officers” who stand by the Ka’ba and when people try to touch it they’ll hit their hands with prayer mats–so they don’t do it. Because it’s just rock!! It’s just rock and not something Muslims should worship… but this kind of paganism, idolatry, it sort of creeps in the religion. Ibn AbdulWahhab was trying to get people to understand tawheed, real monotheism, and not attribute divinity to objects (which was prohibited by Muhammad) and not to worship graves (also prohibited by Muhammad).

Today people say Wahhabi or “Salafi” for these people who are trying to follow the original interpretation of Islam, with regards to creed!! That doesn’t necessarily apply to law which is adaptable.

And for the record, Ibn Abdul-Wahhab was Hanbali, as are many schools today in Saudi Arabia. There isn’t really any veneration for Ibn AbdulWahhab. There was a pairing with Ibn Saud which helped form the “state” as we know it of Saudi Arabia, but I want to point out that it’s more to do with creed than law, and Saudi Law diverges in many places even from its own creed.

 

[AgnosTheist]

^ Hey LaMar, are you still alleging that i made claims contrary to the meaning of wahabbism, or has all that been cleared out?

 

[HannahLisa]

Going back to the original post:

I have several Muslim acquaintances/friends/one co-worker and have never had a bad experience with any Muslim person. In fact, all of the Muslims I’ve met are wonderful people.

There are Muslim extremists and there are Christian extremists. Just because there may be Muslim extremists in the United States DOES NOT mean it’s okay to treat anyone who happen to look Muslim in such a way. It’s even more prejudiced towards Muslim women who wear the head covering. Not all Muslim women do. I’m not sure if Muslim men have anything which really distinguishes them from anyone else, except perhaps for physical appearance, and that’s very sketchy ground to walk on because they could be anything else just as easily as they could be Muslim!

That is just disgusting and wrong that anything like that would happen in America.

I would have stood up for the woman, asked to speak to the manager if I’d thought of it, and definitely refused to shop there any more.

 

[IvanKaramozov]

Wahhabist? Wahhabism? Wahhabi? Followers of Wahhab? You guys are kinda cute.

Well, before I was with the Muslim, now you make fun of my poor spelling I’ll go over with BookLover

Al-Wahhab is an Arabic name for God, meaning roughly ‘The Giver of All.’ So when you guys say followers of Wahhab it’s like saying a follower of God. Kinda cute.

But the man you’re talking about was Ibn Abdul-Wahhab. His father’s name was AbdulWahhab (i.e., the slave of the Giver of All) So you’re talking about the son of AbdulWahhab (ibn means like ‘the son of’). Just wanted to point out that technicality for your own edification. (Yes I know who you’re talking about, but I want you to know, too!)

It’s true that Saudis tend to be followers of Ibn Abdul Wahhab. I say tend to be, because it isn’t an absolute following like a different religion, kind of mosque, or practice of Islam. What Ibn AbdulWahhab tried to do, in Islam, was stop all the false worship that had crept into Islam. He emphasized a strict understanding of tawheed (monotheism) and tried to stop the people from worshiping graves, statues, “saints” and even the Ka’ba.

We Muslims say for example that we don’t worship the Ka’ba, we just pray that way. There are some “officers” who stand by the Ka’ba and when people try to touch it they’ll hit their hands with prayer mats–so they don’t do it. Because it’s just rock!! It’s just rock and not something Muslims should worship… but this kind of paganism, idolatry, it sort of creeps in the religion. Ibn AbdulWahhab was trying to get people to understand tawheed, real monotheism, and not attribute divinity to objects (which was prohibited by Muhammad) and not to worship graves (also prohibited by Muhammad).

Today people say Wahhabi or “Salafi” for these people who are trying to follow the original interpretation of Islam, with regards to creed!! That doesn’t necessarily apply to law which is adaptable.

And for the record, Ibn Abdul-Wahhab was Hanbali, as are many schools today in Saudi Arabia. There isn’t really any veneration for Ibn AbdulWahhab. There was a pairing with Ibn Saud which helped form the “state” as we know it of Saudi Arabia, but I want to point out that it’s more to do with creed than law, and Saudi Law diverges in many places even from its own creed.

When I refereed to Wahhabism I was refering to the political movement, would you accecpt this as a legitimate distinction?

 

[IvanKaramozov]

Wahhabist? Wahhabism? Wahhabi? Followers of Wahhab? You guys are kinda cute.

Al-Wahhab is an Arabic name for God, meaning roughly ‘The Giver of All.’ So when you guys say followers of Wahhab it’s like saying a follower of God. Kinda cute.

But the man you’re talking about was Ibn Abdul-Wahhab. His father’s name was AbdulWahhab (i.e., the slave of the Giver of All) So you’re talking about the son of AbdulWahhab (ibn means like ‘the son of’). Just wanted to point out that technicality for your own edification. (Yes I know who you’re talking about, but I want you to know, too!)

It’s true that Saudis tend to be followers of Ibn Abdul Wahhab. I say tend to be, because it isn’t an absolute following like a different religion, kind of mosque, or practice of Islam. What Ibn AbdulWahhab tried to do, in Islam, was stop all the false worship that had crept into Islam. He emphasized a strict understanding of tawheed (monotheism) and tried to stop the people from worshiping graves, statues, “saints” and even the Ka’ba.

We Muslims say for example that we don’t worship the Ka’ba, we just pray that way. There are some “officers” who stand by the Ka’ba and when people try to touch it they’ll hit their hands with prayer mats–so they don’t do it. Because it’s just rock!! It’s just rock and not something Muslims should worship… but this kind of paganism, idolatry, it sort of creeps in the religion. Ibn AbdulWahhab was trying to get people to understand tawheed, real monotheism, and not attribute divinity to objects (which was prohibited by Muhammad) and not to worship graves (also prohibited by Muhammad).

Today people say Wahhabi or “Salafi” for these people who are trying to follow the original interpretation of Islam, with regards to creed!! That doesn’t necessarily apply to law which is adaptable.

And for the record, Ibn Abdul-Wahhab was Hanbali, as are many schools today in Saudi Arabia. There isn’t really any veneration for Ibn AbdulWahhab. There was a pairing with Ibn Saud which helped form the “state” as we know it of Saudi Arabia, but I want to point out that it’s more to do with creed than law, and Saudi Law diverges in many places even from its own creed.

Are you Sunni or Shia?

 

[LaMar]

Well, before I was with the Muslim, now you make fun of my poor spelling I’ll go over with BookLover

Arabic and Hebrew are hard to transliterate into English. There’s no difference between saad and siin, for example (both are rendered “s”). The q/k/c difference we lost before ancient Greek took off. Then there’s the p/b problem (Arabic only, Hebrew has both), and the hamza, which we have in words like Hawai’i but nobody seems to understand regardless.

Is it Wahhabi, or Uahabi, or Wahabbi? Gawdhelpme, I don’t know.

الوهابية

 

[IvanKaramozov]

Arabic and Hebrew are hard to transliterate into English. There’s no difference between saad and siin, for example (both are rendered “s”). The q/k/c difference we lost before ancient Greek took off. Then there’s the p/b problem (Arabic only, Hebrew has both), and the hamza, which we have in words like Hawai’i but nobody seems to understand regardless.

Is it Wahhabi, or Uahabi, or Wahabbi? Gawdhelpme, I don’t know.

الوهابية

Do you speak Arabic?

 

[LaMar]

Do you speak Arabic?

Nope. Never did and I’m sure I never will.

I studied Arabic (Hebrew and Aramaic too) many years ago at a secular, American university. I’ve forgotten almost all of it in the last 15 years.

Still remember salaam, shukran, and half a dozen other words. Oh, and chawirma. Can’t forget my favorite snack.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Well, before I was with the Muslim, now you make fun of my poor spelling I’ll go over with BookLover

LOL… I didn’t even notice the spelling. What I find amusing (and Muslims do the same thing) is all the Anglicized words derived from “Wahhab.” Minor spelling differences wasn’t the point anyway.

When I refereed to Wahhabism I was refering to the political movement, would you accecpt this as a legitimate distinction?

To be perfectly honest with you, I am not familiar with a political movement related to the teachings of Ibn AbdulWahhab. I’m not denying one exists, if one exists, I’m just saying I haven’t studied it and I don’t know anything about it. Sorry.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Arabic and Hebrew are hard to transliterate into English. There’s no difference between saad and siin, for example (both are rendered “s”). The q/k/c difference we lost before ancient Greek took off. Then there’s the p/b problem (Arabic only, Hebrew has both), and the hamza, which we have in words like Hawai’i but nobody seems to understand regardless.

Is it Wahhabi, or Uahabi, or Wahabbi? Gawdhelpme, I don’t know.

الوهابية

Cute. Can you read the Arabic? What you wrote in Arabic there is best transliterated al-wahhabiyyah as far as I know. I don’t think there is a shaddah (emphasis) on the baa. There is an extra emphasis on the “h” though. So Wahhabi is probably best.

U is used for waaw when the letter acts as a vowel. However, the waaw at the beginning of a word is** always** a consonant (w) instead of a vowel (u). If you see a “u” at the beginning of a word it is either gonna be a hamza or an aein like in 'Umar which has an aein at the beginning with a dhamma, and ustaadh (means teacher) which has a hamza at the beginning with a dhamma.

Hope that didn’t confuse you too much…

 

[ronyodish]

Oh, and chawirma. Can’t forget my favorite snack.

Yes, that’s pretty good, yum yum!

We pronounce it: shawirma

bigbunsandpita.com/files/Beef_Shawirma.jpg

God bless,

Rony

 

[LaMar]

Yes, that’s pretty good, yum yum!

We pronounce it: shawirma

bigbunsandpita.com/files/Beef_Shawirma.jpg

God bless,

Rony

Heh Heh! There’s why I know I’ll never speak Arabic…even though I’d love to.

I went once to Egypt, and thought I’d use my fancy book-learnin’ on the natives. Nobody could understand a freakin’ word I said half the time. When I said kalb, they said chelp. Another thing I learned was that this word (it means domesticated dog) is a sort of a local insult, and that if my gracious hosts had understood me, they probably would have taken offense.

Shawirma is good! We had it in pita bread in my old neighborhood. Like a taco, only with rice and some vegetables. I can’t get a good one where I live now, and I miss it.

 

[ronyodish]

I went once to Egypt, and thought I’d use my fancy book-learnin’ on the natives. Nobody could understand a freakin’ word I said half the time. When I said kalb, they said chelp. Another thing I learned was that this word (it means domesticated dog) is a sort of a local insult, and that if my gracious hosts had understood me, they probably would have taken offense.

Yeah, there are multiple local dialects of Arabic that differ somewhat from one region to another. Arabic-speaking people make a distinction between formal Arabic, which is used in government/banking/etc. among the Arabic nations, and the local Arabic of the people.

Educated city Arabs are going to be familiar with formal Arabic, as well as, local Arabic, whereas the people of the deserts, or country-sides, like the Bedouins, or just those who have very little or no education, will be less familiar with formal Arabic and mostly conversant in the local dialect.

Kalb/kelb is formal Arabic for dog, chalb/chelb is local. And yes, it is considered an insult if it is directed to a guy. Other things that may seem trivial to English-speaking people can also be considered an insult to the Arabs. For example, it is an insult if one is called a “shoe” in Arabic (qundara), or a “bear” in Arabic (dub), and others.

Shawirma is good! We had it in pita bread in my old neighborhood. Like a taco, only with rice and some vegetables. I can’t get a good one where I live now, and I miss it.

Yeah, I like it in pita bread too; I also like it with rice, and sometimes I just like to eat it by itself. I too live in an area right now where it is less accessible, so I feel your pain Though, there is a Lebanese bakery not too far from where I currently live, and I haven’t asked them if they make it, so, I might just do that soon

God bless,

Rony

 

[LaMar]

Kalb/kelb is formal Arabic for dog, chalb/chelb is local. And yes, it is considered an insult if it is directed to a guy. Other things that may seem trivial to English-speaking people can also be considered an insult to the Arabs. For example, it is an insult if one is called a “shoe” in Arabic (qundara), or a “bear” in Arabic (dub), and others.

If, as I’m tipping the poor old guy who has just got done carrying suitcases full of books down the street, would it be appropriate to analogize him with “aunt kalb”? I guess I’m glad I didn’t pronounce it “entah chelp” which he would have understood immediately.

As far as other insults go, I knew enough not to call the local Nubians (Black Egyptians) “abd”, but before I went, that was about it.

A little knowledge is an embarassing thing. (Hopefully I got the point across, and you’re laughing now). To an American, saying “you work like a dog” is an expression of sympathy. Means something else around the mediterranean.

Are you Chaldaean in the same way as Tariq Aziz? What was it like after the occupation? You seem to be here now, and I’m glad. There were a lot of Christians in masr too. Are they the same type as the Chaldaeans?

 

[ronyodish]

If, as I’m tipping the poor old guy who has just got done carrying suitcases full of books down the street, would it be appropriate to analogize him with “aunt kalb”? I guess I’m glad I didn’t pronounce it “entah chelp” which he would have understood immediately.

It is a good thing that you did not pronounce it “entah chelp (or chelb)”, because yeah, he would have seen that as an insult. So, no, it would not be appropriate to use kalb or chelb in reference to an Arab, even though no insult is intended by the one using it.

As far as other insults go, I knew enough not to call the local Nubians (Black Egyptians) “abd”, but before I went, that was about it.

“abd” or “abed” or “slave/servant/worshipper” would be seen as an insult if directed at them and others, unless it is a name of someone, or it is used for one’s relationship to God. There are Arabs named abed, or have abd in their name (Abd Allah - Slave of God) or His many names (like Abd al-Raheem - Slave of the Most Merciful).

My last name Odish is an Aramaic contraction of two words, the “Od” come from Abda (which we pronounce Oda or Awda), and “ish” or more correctly spelled “isho” comes from Ishoo or Ysho’ which means Jesus, so my last name in Arabic will be Abd Yesu’ or Abd Isa which means Slave/Servant/Worshipper of Jesus

A little knowledge is an embarassing thing. (Hopefully I got the point across, and you’re laughing now). To an American, saying “you work like a dog” is an expression of sympathy. Means something else around the mediterranean.

Yeah, this American expression will not fly among the Arabs and Arabic-speaking non-Arabs in that part of the world.

Are you Chaldaean in the same way as Tariq Aziz? What was it like after the occupation? You seem to be here now, and I’m glad. There were a lot of Christians in masr too. Are they the same type as the Chaldaeans?

Yes, I am Chaldean, and Tariq Aziz is also Chaldean. I left Iraq a couple of months before the first gulf war erupted, so I do not have first hand experience of Iraq since 1990. I left when I was 11 years old. However, in our Chaldean Catholic Church in the US, we did hear many stories of our people there being affected by the aftermath of the sanctions, and then ofcourse most recently the devastating aftermath of post-war Iraqi social life on our Christians there.

Very recently, one of our Archbishops, Mar Paulus, was killed by Muslim terrorists shortly after being kidnapped. The life of Christians, Chaldean and others, in Iraq is now a total mess, and people at any time or place might face kidnapping, torture, and death.

There are Chaldean Catholics is Masr. We have a church there in Qahira called: The Virgin of Fatima Church. There are also other Catholic Christians in Masr: Coptic Catholics, Melkite Catholics, Armenian Catholics, Syrian Catholics, and Maronite Catholics. All these Catholic Christians mentioned are in full communion with one another and with the Pope of Rome. Now, there are also other Christians there such as the Coptic Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, and the Protestant ones like the Coptic Evangelicals.

God bless,

Rony

 

[LaMar]

Yes, I am Chaldean, and Tariq Aziz is also Chaldean. I left Iraq a couple of months before the first gulf war erupted, so I do not have first hand experience of Iraq since 1990. I left when I was 11 years old. However, in our Chaldean Catholic Church in the US, we did hear many stories of our people there being affected by the aftermath of the sanctions, and then ofcourse most recently the devastating aftermath of post-war Iraqi social life on our Christians there.

Very recently, one of our Archbishops, Mar Paulus, was killed by Muslim terrorists shortly after being kidnapped. The life of Christians, Chaldean and others, in Iraq is now a total mess, and people at any time or place might face kidnapping, torture, and death.

There are Chaldean Catholics is Masr. We have a church there in Qahira called: The Virgin of Fatima Church. There are also other Catholic Christians in Masr: Coptic Catholics, Melkite Catholics, Armenian Catholics, Syrian Catholics, and Maronite Catholics. All these Catholic Christians mentioned are in full communion with one another and with the Pope of Rome. Now, there are also other Christians there such as the Coptic Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, and the Protestant ones like the Coptic Evangelicals.

Hey Rony,

That’s really interesting that there’s a protestant movement in Egypt. I didn’t know that.

I visited Egypt and Syria, but never anyplace further east. There was a large amount of Orthodox and Catholic people in Damascus (that city must be 20-30 percent Christian) and there were Jews in Damascus too. I didn’t see any Jews in Cairo, though I’m sure there were some. Cairo is a rather huge city. I wasn’t expecting it to be so big, and I could have spent ten years there without seeing it all. In land area it probably rivals Mexico City, Houston or Los Angeles.

It’s too bad about the war, and not all of us decadent Americans think that it was a good idea. Neither the first nor the second invasion of Iraq was justified, in my opinion, though I’m not a Saddam Hussein fan either. I’m just sorry there is so much suffering over there, and I dislike fanaticism, whether it’s Muslim, Christian or Jewish fanaticism – or secular fanaticism like American nationalism – I don’t think it leads to good ends.

I read an article about a year ago about the Jews and Christians of Baghdad, who were actually expressing a desire to join up with Muslim terrorist groups to fight the British and Americans. The people who were interviewed were actually wishing Saddam Hussein would come back to power. I wish I could find it again. It’s amazing how badly we’ve erred and it’s depressing to think of the conditions which exist in your country, and I hope some day the injustices are rectified. In the interim, I’m glad some of you have found a refuge here (Christian, Muslim, Jewish or Atheist) and whether you settle here permanently or eventually go back to rebuild I hope that we can all enjoy peace.

 

[ronyodish]

I read an article about a year ago about the Jews and Christians of Baghdad, who were actually expressing a desire to join up with Muslim terrorist groups to fight the British and Americans. The people who were interviewed were actually wishing Saddam Hussein would come back to power. I wish I could find it again. It’s amazing how badly we’ve erred and it’s depressing to think of the conditions which exist in your country, and I hope some day the injustices are rectified. In the interim, I’m glad some of you have found a refuge here (Christian, Muslim, Jewish or Atheist) and whether you settle here permanently or eventually go back to rebuild I hope that we can all enjoy peace.

LaMar,

If you ever find that article, let me know. The Chaldean Church would have forbidden her members to unite with terrorists against the American/British troops. It would be considered a sin, a breaking of the commandment on killing. Also, it would be unthinkable for faithful Christians to be joining forces with terrorists, who themselves are terrorizing and killing our faithful Christian people over there.

When some Christians make statements like the one you mentioned in the article, it is usually out of frustration at the lack of order in the country, and a feeling of despair that everything is collapsing around them. But, it is not a statement based on the values of the Gospel which demand a loving of one’s neighbor, and even the loving of one’s enemies.

God bless,

Rony

P.S. It seems that we have strayed from the main topic of this thread.

 

[LaMar]

When some Christians make statements like the one you mentioned in the article, it is usually out of frustration at the lack of order in the country, and a feeling of despair that everything is collapsing around them. But, it is not a statement based on the values of the Gospel which demand a loving of one’s neighbor, and even the loving of one’s enemies.

Very true. It’s not commensurate with the teachings of Islam or Judaism either, at least as far as I understand those two philosophies.

I found those comments both shocking and revealing, in the same way you do. They’re a barometer as to how utterly hopeless these people feel. Like most Americans, I used to hear about suicide attacks in Iraq (and Palestine too) without fully realizing just how hopeless and dark the lives of these people must be, in order to get themselves into a place where they could take part in these things.

While I can’t remember where that article was, I’ve got something pretty similar. If you understand Hebrew, watch the film entitled Mur imdb.com/title/tt0413018/ without the English voice-over. It should be available in the original (when I saw it, it was Hebrew/Arabic with French subtitles). Pay attention to what the Israeli Jew says when he’s interviewed by the reporter. You’ll catch him pining for the days of peace, tranquility and justice in his home village – as a Jew in Saddam Hussein’s Iraq.

Getting back on topic, I think this is the real danger of terrorism. We go round and round, with attacks and counterattacks, until we are fully dehumanized and civilization disappears. The video, with the shopkeeper’s nasty talk is the unfortunate first step in the process here, and this is why I’m glad it’s being exposed in the media and criticized by regular people.