How would YOU respond to this statement?

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TonyBS said:
Thats just the example we were after as you get from Revelation 22:8 a meaning that can be explained in other ways.

We must also consider the next passage;

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

In chapters 11, 12 &13 Muhammad is forerold as is the end of the age Message. Thus to have not accepted is to have taken away.

What was added is not from Muhammad, but man and His understanding.

Yes we will leave it there as both points have been made known.

Regards Tony
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I will PM you.
 
PJM said:
My friend your point is valid BUT also VERY misleading IMO:)

Certainly a correct Christian Baptism [John 3:5 & Mt.28:19-20] DOES connect every Christian to the CATHOLIC Church as the ONLY Church and Faith desired, founded, and protected by Christ, and hence makes the Catholic Church [even in it’s mysterious necessity] NECESSARY for Salvation as ALL salvation must flow through Her [which is NOT saying that everyone MUST be a Catholic to attain heaven, rather that ONLY those who do NOT know of this necessity [DOES NOT KNOW DOES NOT MEAN, KNOWS & REJECTS IT]

Our Catechism http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm

I suggest you search #'s 1260 & 847
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I am familiar with the CCC, thank you. My point was that the very least definition of Christian is one who has been baptized. I didn’t feel it was necessary to go into more detail in this thread. If I had thought it was needed, I would have supplied it. In no way did I “mislead” anyone by citing the bare minimum definition. :hypno:
 
GodsGrace154 said:
OOPS. I erased re Cardinal Burke.

WHO NEEDS CARDINAL BURKE???

I HAVE THE POPE WHO IS SPEAKING TO ME!!

THIS IS NOT A MAGESTERIUM TEACHING???
BUT THE POPE’S PERSONAL OPINION?

ARE YOU SERIOUS???

Who makes up the Magsterium?
Is the POPE in there somewhere ?

If I’m not mistaken,
It’s the magesterium that makes up doctrine and dogman

And it’s the magesterium who has CHANGED IT.

One morning you’ll wake up and find that this is true.
Time will prove it - I don’t have to.

GG
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OK 🤷 :eek: 😃

If YOU have the Pope speaking to YOU, why aren’t you a Catholic?
 
GodsGrace154 said:
This is just too much.

It’s Della who was calling the doctrine taught by the Catholic Church “a disciplinary act”.
Here is what she said in post no. 76:
"I’m afraid you are confusing disciplinary matters with doctrinal ones. "

If YOU READ what I posted you’ll find that it’s a DOCTRINE. (that divorce and remarriage is NOT allowed).

Yes. It IS surprising that I know more about your doctrines than you do!!

Chapter 8 cannot be more precisely worded because of persons such as yourself who cannot accept change. So I believe the Pope is trying his best to be nice to you while still MAKING THE CHANGE. Soon you will notice it. And for some, it’s ALREADY HERE.

You see, reality is reality. It’s not what YOU think is reality.

GG
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YOUR wrong my friend, AND I did respond directly to that POST, and explained WHY:)

God Bless you

Partick
 
PJM said:
YOUR wrong my friend, AND I did respond directly to that POST, and explained WHY:)

God Bless you

Partick
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WHAT am I wrong about?

That there is no doctrine in the Catholic Church regarding divorce and remarrige?

Will await your reply.

GG
 
GodsGrace154 said:
Oh. And by the way.

You’re supposed to read Card. Schonbrun for any comments on AL.
He’s the one the Pope picked to explain AL.

NOT WHO YOU AGREE WITH.

GG
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ACTUALLY NOT!

Here’s WHY,

This commentary from both of them are PERSONAL opinions.[NEITHER OF WHOM IS EMPOWERED TO ALTER CHURCH DOCTRINE]

Cardinal Bukre’s expression is a fully Qualified expression of one of the WORLDS most esteemed Canon Lawyers.

And as a FYI, I HAVE read both

God Bless you, your being a bit emotional here my friend, when God guided Objectivety is the Order of the Day:thumbsup:

God Bless you,
Patrick
 
GodsGrace154 said:
As you might imagine, I don’t read your posts.
Too long.
Too colorful.

I like SERIOUS discussion.

But I did catch a phrase as I scrolled through to get to the bottom.

It said "YOU N-CATHOLICS " or maybe “YOU NON CATHOLICS”

What is it with this “you non-catholics?”

When you’re speaking to a black person, do you say:

“YOU BLACK PEOPLE”.

Gosh. I certainly hope not!!!

It would be nice if you gave other Christians the same courtesy.

It would seem the Christianity thing to do.

GG
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OK, so that’s the problem, your running from truth because YOU “don’t like” color or supported discussion. That explains a lot. Thanks

So do you READ the bible? Or is that too long for you too?

Because I strive to provide Biblical evidence of our Catholic beliefs.

God Bless you, your enthusiasm is evident.

Patrick

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GodsGrace154 said:
Patrick
What gives?
YOU are the one who keeps speaking of issues.

I asked you what you mean by this.

And you’re reply is that you want to know WHAT I MEAN BY THIS?

It’s YOUR topic, not MINE.

Are you okay?

GG
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PLEASE precisely exactly what you mean by ISSUES, and I will gladly respond to them.

Tell me the issue you’d like to to clarify for you, please

God Bless you,
Patrick
 
GodsGrace154 said:
Patrick
What gives?
YOU are the one who keeps speaking of issues.

I asked you what you mean by this.

And you’re reply is that you want to know WHAT I MEAN BY THIS?

It’s YOUR topic, not MINE.

Are you okay?

GG
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If by “Issue” you wish to know MY views [which reflect those of the Magisterium of the RCC], simply READ my post, even IF inconvenient to you:)

God Bless you,
Patrick
 
PJM said:
ACTUALLY NOT!

Here’s WHY,

This commentary from both of them are PERSONAL opinions.[NEITHER OF WHOM IS EMPOWERED TO ALTER CHURCH DOCTRINE]

Cardinal Bukre’s expression is a fully Qualified expression of one of the WORLDS most esteemed Canon Lawyers.

And as a FYI, I HAVE read both

God Bless you, your being a bit emotional here my friend, when God guided Objectivety is the Order of the Day:thumbsup:

God Bless you,
Patrick
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My dear PJM

I cannot allow you to leave without being corrected.
And I always will correct.

You mentioned Burke as a reference. He could be a reference all he wants to
BUT
the POPE specifically hired Cardinal Schonbrun to answer questions on the Amoris Laetitia Letter and HE, Schonbrun, is to be considered the expert.

Anyone else will be GIVING THEIR PERSONAL OPINION, which is exactly what it will be no matter how high up they are on the theological scale or canon law scale.

YOU SHOULD USE AND RECOMMEND THE POPE’S CHOICE - NOT YOURS.

GG
 
Della said:
I am familiar with the CCC, thank you. My point was that the very least definition of Christian is one who has been baptized. I didn’t feel it was necessary to go into more detail in this thread. If I had thought it was needed, I would have supplied it. In no way did I “mislead” anyone by citing the bare minimum definition. :hypno:
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OK, we’re on the same side here:)

God Bless you,

Patrick
 
PJM said:
If by “Issue” you wish to know MY views [which reflect those of the Magisterium of the RCC], simply READ my post, even IF inconvenient to you:)

God Bless you,
Patrick
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HUH???

In case you haven’t noticed, YOUR views don’t interest me. Why would they?
Do my views interest you?
I didn’t think so.

You shouldn’t get so personal with posters, BTW.

GG
 
PJM said:
PLEASE precisely exactly what you mean by ISSUES, and I will gladly respond to them.

Tell me the issue you’d like to to clarify for you, please

God Bless you,
Patrick
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Oh my. Here we go with the issues again.

Patrick,
Go have a nice glass of wine and take it easy.
PLEASE!

GG
 
GodsGrace154 said:
My dear PJM

I cannot allow you to leave without being corrected.
And I always will correct.

You mentioned Burke as a reference. He could be a reference all he wants to
BUT
the POPE specifically hired Cardinal Schonbrun to answer questions on the Amoris Laetitia Letter and HE, Schonbrun, is to be considered the expert.

Anyone else will be GIVING THEIR PERSONAL OPINION, which is exactly what it will be no matter how high up they are on the theological scale or canon law scale.

YOU SHOULD USE AND RECOMMEND THE POPE’S CHOICE - NOT YOURS.

GG
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MY friend, What you DON"T know or understand is hurting you.

I am well aware of aware PF an CS did.and their position.

Thank you again
 
PJM said:
GodsGrace154;13849113:
FOR PJM

And I see YOU also don’t read my posts.
OR
Maybe you just don’t UNDERSTAND them.

I SAY.

THANKS and God Bless you,

Patrick
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PATRICK!

Remarried
and
2nd Marriage

means the same thing!!

If you’re getting REMARRIED, it means it’s YOUR 2ND MARRIAGE.

According to the CC’s doctrine
if you get REMARRIED you’re still married to the first wife.
if you go into a 2ND MARRIAGE you’re still married to the first wife.

See?

GG
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PJM said:
OK, so that’s the problem, your running from truth because YOU “don’t like” color or supported discussion. That explains a lot. Thanks

So do you READ the bible? Or is that too long for you too?

Because I strive to provide Biblical evidence of our Catholic beliefs.

God Bless you, your enthusiasm is evident.

Patrick

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What does the above have to do with my post no. 99
asking you not to refer to others as YOU NON CATHOLICS

as you also would not want to say:

YOU BLACK PEOPLE

Know what I mean?

GG
 
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