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One of the middle school kids in my religious education class asked the following question.

“Why does the Bible talk only about sin and not about the progress of civilization?” :eek:

How would you respond?

Sorry if I’m not posting this in the correct section of the forum…
 
Hi Mom,

The Bible does not talk only about sin. As a matter of fact, it talks mostly about virtue and how we can please God.

As for the progress of civilization, though there are passages in the Bible that touch on what science or history teaches us, its aim is not to teach us history or science.

The Bible comes from God and aims to show us that we came from Him and will go back to Him to be happy for ever. More importantly it shows the path to get there. It shows how God chose the Jewish people for His own and through them prepared the coming of Jesus Christ who would show us the way to God.

Writing the history of civilization has been left to us, We can only hope that your young charge will do just that.

Verbum
 
One of the middle school kids in my religious education class asked the following question.

“Why does the Bible talk only about sin and not about the progress of civilization?” :eek:

How would you respond?

Sorry if I’m not posting this in the correct section of the forum…
The best way for them to learn is to turn the question around on them so they have to think. Ask him, “Well, first answer me this: Why doesn’t the history book you are using in school talk about sin?”

If he doesn’t have an answer, provide him with one: "The history book doesn’t talk about sin because that is not the purpose of that type of book. It’s purpose is to teach you the history of the world (or nation) from a political, sociological and cultural perspective.

“Same with the Bible. While it does contain some history, that is not it’s purpose. [insert Verbum’s answer here.]”

You can also quote Augustine, "The purpose of the Sacred Scriptures is not to teach us how the heavens go, but how we can go to heaven."

Hope that helps! 🙂
 
Mom,

The Scriptures do talk quite a bit about civilization, particularly Hebrew civilization (in fact the Jews consider it their written history saga!). But, as others said, it is more important for the Scriptures to speak about man and God and sin, than about “history” so to speak.

Can you imagine Christ’s sermon on the mount being replaced by “The Rise and Fall of Western Civilization”? 😛
 
The book of Daniel tells us of Great civilizations and World Powers to be; Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece, Rome and lastly our civilization (Christian) In the last days as it grows and grows, gaining in size as the world becomes evangelized and believes. Parable of the mustard seed.
 
If the student is actually interested (and not just challenging you to try to get the class off-track) then you could suggest that the Old Testament does trace the development of one culture’s civilization, from the Patriarchs to the Exodus, and then in considerable detail from the wandering tribe, through the conquests and the era of the judges, to the rise and fall of the monarchies, the exile and the restoration of the kingdom, and finally the subjugation/occupation by the Greeks, who were of course succeeded by the Romans who were in control at the time of Jesus.

On the other hand, is he really asking why the Bible isn’t a history book, or is he asking why it doesn’t acknowledge the “progress” human beings have made, instead focusing on our failings? In which case you can perhaps ask him to consider some of current news in the light of God’s expectations of His people, perhaps to write an account of something from the news or recent history as if it were being included in the Bible.

We acknowledge that the people of God have, by putting the Covenants into practice, improved the lot of humanity - overturning the practice of human sacrifice, for example. But there are clearly many ways in which the Church has not overcome the sinful world, and places where She has failed to live out Her calling. This is why there are penitential rites incorporated into every liturgy.

Middle school kids are generally just discovering the world beyond their own circle - the news, politics, history. It’s an exhilirating and intimidating expansion! A big part of what you’re doing as a catechist is helping those expanding minds to take the faith they were taught as children into a more mature relationship with God. May He bless you richly for your efforts!
 
“Why does the Bible talk only about sin and not about the progress of civilization?”
I would ask what ‘progress’ is.

The Bible has a very strong theme of the negative progress of civilization.

Start with Man as a guy with a cushy job tending to a finished garden and ending up eating bread by the sweat of his brow because he would not acknowledge God.

Then with Seth’s children man is once again worshiping God, but by the time of Noah, only 8 people are preserved from the destruction brought by sin.

Then a promise was made to Abraham, but when the time came for the Jewish nation to be born, they wouldn’t believe God because of ‘giants’ in the promised land.

When they finally get there, they destroy the promised land by “everyone doing what was right in their own eyes.”

You finally get a great nation established through David and Solomon, but it is quickly destroyed because people refuse to obey God and worship idols.

What is there in civilization that is any different than in Israel when all men did what was right in their own eyes. We have progressed so far that rather than fearing that an enemy would encroach and rip the children from their mother’s wombs, our mothers do it to themselves willingly. Such progress!
 
Thank you for all the great responses! I brought up many of these things with her and she was pretty insistent that the Bible talks too much about all the things people do wrong. Another student piped up and said, “Yes, but then it tells us how to fix it!”

Turns out, the original question came from a girl who loves debate. It’s going to be a long and interesting year!
 
As paragraph 74 of the Catechism states, the purpose of God’s revelation in both Scripture and Tradition is to communicate to man what is necessary for salvation:
God graciously arranged that the things he had once revealed for the salvation of all peoples should remain in their entirety, throughout the ages, and be transmitted to all generations. (CCC 74)
The bible documents continuous and repeated cycles of sin and redemption because this is what happened, and because mankind cannot get it through their thick skull (made thicker by the effects of the Fall) that they cannot progress without relying completely on God and His endless fountain of loving mercy.

‘Progress’ or prosperity (of civilization) is not required for salvation, and as history has shown over and over again, it is often a hindrance to salvation. Trying to ‘progress’ without reliance on God (ie, based on self-reliance) was part of the original sin in the garden. And Scripture repeatedly shows that this mindset is detrimental to salvation and can lead to sin, such as in the examples of the Tower of Babel, David’s sin with Bathsheba, Solomon’s sins in old age or the fact that the nation of Israel was very prosperous right before the kingdom was divided and exiled.

You may want to dig a little deeper to get at the root of your student’s question. She may actually be wondering “Why do I have to rely on God rather than just relying on myself?”

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