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pablope
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You may want to try this website of ex JWs who are now catholics for support and help…catholicxjw.com/
May you find the words of St. John Vianney comforting…catholic-forum.com/saints/stj18020.htm
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Josh_RP
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“I’ve been praying, building up the strength to see a local priest.”
- Posted by Winston_Smith
Most priests these days are gentle souls. They are educated and experienced. There is nothing to lose by going to see one, especially a priest recommended, or one you already know. I am not Catholic but I very much admire priests who are whole-souled as evidenced by their self-sacrificing vows. The key is, to learn how to take control of yourself, to not see yourself through someone else’s eyes. A priest can help you do that.
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flameburns623
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Take note, too, that the Watchtower folk have down-sized their magazies and moved more than half of their features to the Internet. And this after reducing the Watchtower and the Awake to once-monthly publications several years ago.
The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society looks to be on a downward slide.
The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society looks to be on a downward slide.
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Josh_RP
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flameburns623:
They are down-sizing significantly, and their reasons for doing so they don’t seem willing or able to make clear. Perhaps too early and premature to think about preparing for a Requiem, any more so than for the rest of the world. During their time they have stirred thinking and have made a very noticeable footprint. Something else they said in that January past magazine about the times changing and they also changing with the times. That statement I find also odd, for them. If they are declining, it may well be a measure of a much bigger decline involving all of us. Lots to be said about the state of the world today.
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minkymurph
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Lets face it. They had to come up with something. They can’t go on holding to the 1914 thing anymore. No one in their wildest dreams could think its viable anymore.
I also remember reading in their ‘Reasoning’ book as they called it about 20 years ago, about the ‘paradise earth.’ It said something to the effect if everyone who died was resurrected back and all the earth were habitable, which in the ‘new system’ it would be, everyone would have something like an acre of land which was enough for their needs to grow food and stuff. I wonder how much room everyone would have now?
The advances in medicine have made the blood transfusion issue more difficult for them. Witnesses themselves are questioning it, saying it should be up to the individual and apparently lots of witnesses, while remaining witnesses, are now saying they believe they have the ‘heavenly hope.’
I also think I read online they have a new book out for ‘elders’ only. Apparently husbands are instructed to supervise their wives to make sure they don’t read it, and people who bind the books are also stringently supervised. However, some naughty person has put a copy online and apparently, they have become more radical in relation to their ‘disfellowshipping’ procedure.
I’m watching this space. It will be (mildly) interesting to see what happens.
I also remember reading in their ‘Reasoning’ book as they called it about 20 years ago, about the ‘paradise earth.’ It said something to the effect if everyone who died was resurrected back and all the earth were habitable, which in the ‘new system’ it would be, everyone would have something like an acre of land which was enough for their needs to grow food and stuff. I wonder how much room everyone would have now?
The advances in medicine have made the blood transfusion issue more difficult for them. Witnesses themselves are questioning it, saying it should be up to the individual and apparently lots of witnesses, while remaining witnesses, are now saying they believe they have the ‘heavenly hope.’
I also think I read online they have a new book out for ‘elders’ only. Apparently husbands are instructed to supervise their wives to make sure they don’t read it, and people who bind the books are also stringently supervised. However, some naughty person has put a copy online and apparently, they have become more radical in relation to their ‘disfellowshipping’ procedure.
I’m watching this space. It will be (mildly) interesting to see what happens.
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Josh_RP
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“They can’t go on holding to the 1914 thing anymore.”
Have you seen any of their more recent literature make mention of the 1914 belief? Is there any more talk, even among themselves, about the validity of the 1914 thing?
“However, some naughty person has put a copy online…”
Would you happen to know the online address where that book for elders can be seen? As I said before, we live in a rapidly changing world. For those of us on the watch with “…eyes to see…and ears to hear…” the ‘chicken are coming home to roost’ and all is ‘coming out in the wash’. Interesting times…
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Indifferently
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It is nice to see them admit their mistake (well, one of them anyway). Unlike other religious groups, groups who change their teaching by sleight of hand and then pretend it’s the sane thing they have always taught.
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minkymurph
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I did come across it but I don’t have the actual links.
There was a recent watchtower on the date 1914 a couple of years ago. I read exerts of it online the the watchtower site and the gist of it was it doesn’t matter when Armageddon will come. We shouldn’t focus on the date just on ‘being ready.’ There are dozens of ex-jw sites online. I have to say some are not very charitable, but I admit I have a sick sense of humor so I don’t mind them.
An older copy of this book was uploaded online, and the JW’s weren’t very pleased as it breached copyright regulations. This may have prompted the publication of an updated version. On one of these sites, I think it may have been on facebook but I’m not sure, someone had uploaded a PDF copy of this new book and I think it is available on youtube.However, if you carry out a google search on ex-jw sites I’m sure you will come across it.
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EdmundPaul
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Bartolome_Casas
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Yes, this is huge. Your right. A Witness friend of mine gave me a copy of that issue and I saw it. I feel sorry for Witnesses. They are apparently entering a terrible period of crisis in their organization. Outsiders may relish the downfall of the proud, heretical Witnesses. But I don’t relish this. It is going to tear apart people who are generally very good people. Where can they go? They are so thoroughly brainwashed about the Catholic Church and all other churches other than their own. They know so little about the history of their own organization. According to the perspective of many or most Traditional Catholics (Latin Mass devotees), the Catholic Church has been its own crisis since the 1960s due to the Vatican II Council. Lord have mercy on us all ! ! !
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minkymurph
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I feel like this to. Much as I would like to see those at the top of the watchtower toppled and shown for what they are, good people are going to be torn apart. That’s what happens when you play with peoples faith and emotions. It’s downright dangerous.
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Bartolome_Casas
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Yes, deceivers do much harm.
As I see it, there was much true, earnest desire to be holy in the earlies J.W. leaders. To me, things when really evil during the reign of “Judge” Rutherford. Whether he was just evil, or just mentally disturbed, or just a huge egotistical monster, I don’t know. But it all goes back to that period.
Also, I join with Professor Peter Kreeft in admiring many of the qualities and activities of J.W.s. They GROSSLY PERVERT the understanding of the Bible. Yet, in general, they are more obedient to God’s Word than the average mass-attending Catholic. Professor Peter Kreeft says that, and I’ve seen it with my own eyes. This reality is the whole reason for the New Evangelization, or, one of the reasons for it. Still, I don’t recommend that anyone get caught up in the lies of the J.W. organization. Never! But we all (me above all) must live more like saints and less like people of what J.W.'s call “this system of things.”
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Yerusalyim
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I was unaware of the shift to once-monthly for the Watchtow and Awake. Money saving…they need more profit.
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Yerusalyim
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Without the 1914 date much of the authority of the Governing Body falls away. THis is HUGE.
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Catholic_Dude
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The interesting thing is, they actually have been emphasizing 1914 and it’s importance in recent issues. At least one mention every other month the last year or so.
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rjf77581
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Before you get too ‘giddy’ this article sounding the death knoll of the JW’s…
LOOK at what they said…
This is simply a deflection of culpability away from the foundation of their belief system. If anything it is an attempt to reduce the impact of the truth about their history.
If you run across this defense, you must show that this was not just ‘individuals’ but rather an ‘organizational’ mistake showing the false prophecy of the Governing Body.
Another deflection follows:
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LOOK at what they said…
They say NOTHING about this being an “Organizational” flaw. They simply blame it on the over-zealousness of individual Witnesses. Then the draw a comparison to the first century disciples, with the inference that they simply made the same mistakes as those who were taught by the apostles.
This is simply a deflection of culpability away from the foundation of their belief system. If anything it is an attempt to reduce the impact of the truth about their history.
If you run across this defense, you must show that this was not just ‘individuals’ but rather an ‘organizational’ mistake showing the false prophecy of the Governing Body.
Another deflection follows:
This reduces “false prophecy” to “wrong expectations”. A minimization that does not have biblical consequences. Early witnesses did not sell their possessions and anticipate the Coming of Christ based on belief in an false “Expectation” but rather it was their belief in a false “Prophecy” and not one of various mistaken individual witnesses, but the one put forth by the Governing Body.
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WitnessSpouse
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Before you get too ‘giddy’ this article sounding the death knoll of the JW’s…
LOOK at what they said…
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Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come. Like Jesus’ first-century disciples, we have sometimes looked forward to the fulfillment of prophecy ahead of God’s timetable.
They say NOTHING about this being an “Organizational” flaw. They simply blame it on the over-zealousness of individual Witnesses. Then the draw a comparison to the first century disciples, with the inference that they simply made the same mistakes as those who were taught by the apostles.
This is simply a deflection of culpability away from the foundation of their belief system. If anything it is an attempt to reduce the impact of the truth about their history.
If you run across this defense, you must show that this was not just ‘individuals’ but rather an ‘organizational’ mistake showing the false prophecy of the Governing Body.
Another deflection follows:
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Likewise, we have had some wrong expectations about the end. But we are more concerned with obeying Jesus and saving lives than with avoiding criticism.
This reduces “false prophecy” to “wrong expectations”. A minimization that does not have biblical consequences. Early witnesses did not sell their possessions and anticipate the Coming of Christ based on belief in an false “Expectation” but rather it was their belief in a false “Prophecy” and not one of various mistaken individual witnesses, but the one put forth by the Governing Body.
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LOOK at what they said…
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Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come. Like Jesus’ first-century disciples, we have sometimes looked forward to the fulfillment of prophecy ahead of God’s timetable.
They say NOTHING about this being an “Organizational” flaw. They simply blame it on the over-zealousness of individual Witnesses. Then the draw a comparison to the first century disciples, with the inference that they simply made the same mistakes as those who were taught by the apostles.
This is simply a deflection of culpability away from the foundation of their belief system. If anything it is an attempt to reduce the impact of the truth about their history.
If you run across this defense, you must show that this was not just ‘individuals’ but rather an ‘organizational’ mistake showing the false prophecy of the Governing Body.
Another deflection follows:
Quote:
Likewise, we have had some wrong expectations about the end. But we are more concerned with obeying Jesus and saving lives than with avoiding criticism.
This reduces “false prophecy” to “wrong expectations”. A minimization that does not have biblical consequences. Early witnesses did not sell their possessions and anticipate the Coming of Christ based on belief in an false “Expectation” but rather it was their belief in a false “Prophecy” and not one of various mistaken individual witnesses, but the one put forth by the Governing Body.
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jesuspsr
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May the Holy Spirit continue to guide you.
praying for you and your parents.
God bless
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Catholic_Dude
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The July 15, 2013 Watchtower also came out with some huge information. They said there was no Church on this earth from 200AD until 1919AD. The magazine further ‘clarified’ that the Governing Body of JWs was mistaken on when and how it’s authority originated.
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