Humans just retarded apes?

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Genetics and environment, what else is there? Here is an example of why we do the things we do from the American Journal of Psychiatry. It’s all about evolution and adaptive behaviors.

ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/160/7/1368

We have no psychology apart from what our genes tell us to do. Right? Wrong? What’s that? It’s all good! (Where’s my baloney detector?)

Peace,
Ed
 
Is this from the National Inquirer? Although one must wonder about some humans. 🤷
 
UndertheRadar said:
Is this from the** National Inquirer?** Although one must wonder about some humans. 🤷
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Nope :nope: !
The American Journal of Psychitry :yup: !

***The Origins of Human Nature: *Evolutionary Developmental Psychology **

By David F. Bjorklund, Ph.D., and Anthony D. Pellegrini, Ph.D.** Washington, D.C., American Psychological Association, 2002, 441 pp.,** $39.95.

*We humans are retarded apes. With this retardation comes the flexibility and ability to adapt to new situations because our brains are not hard-wired until late in life, monkey time, as a result of our DNA, which diverged from our primate ancestors. This is one of the convincing arguments put forth by the authors in integrating the seemingly parallel if not divergent fields of evolutionary psychology and **developmental *psychology.

So what ever is wrong with you…it is not your fault… blame it on your ancestors… the apes :rotfl: !!
 
I am reminded of the ape in the zoo who found a copy of Darwin’s book. After reading it he asked, “Am I my keepers brother?”😃
 
If man were truly in a place where he could be certain of the evolutionary processes that have the shaped the human mind physically and psychologically, then perhaps those with such incredible intelligences might put those evolved craniums to good use and figure out why epileptics all over the world are plauged by misfiring neurons that convulse any or all of the body. The majority of Epileptics are not fortunate enough for their doctors to locate the source misfiring. If the human mind is such an open book to some they ought not act like retarded apes, and do right by our species.

So far, So good, So what!
 
Catherine_S said:
Nope :nope: !
The American Journal of Psychitry :yup: !

***The Origins of Human Nature: ***Evolutionary Developmental Psychology

By David F. Bjorklund, Ph.D., and Anthony D. Pellegrini, Ph.D.** Washington, D.C., American Psychological Association, 2002, 441 pp.,** $39.95.

We humans are retarded apes. With this retardation comes the flexibility and ability to adapt to new situations because our brains are not hard-wired until late in life, monkey time, as a result of our DNA, which diverged from our primate ancestors. This is one of the convincing arguments put forth by the authors in integrating the seemingly parallel if not divergent fields of evolutionary psychology and **developmental **psychology.

So what ever is wrong with you…it is not your fault… blame it on your ancestors… the apes :rotfl: !!
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So… what part of that is wrong in your opinion?

Do you feel that humans don’t develop more slowly than apes in “monkey terms”? Have you ever compared a one year old chimpanzee with a one year old human? The human baby is exactly that… a baby, whereas the chimpanzee will be much more like the adults of his species.

We develop slowly, ergo our development is retarded.

Or is it the later parts you disagree with? Do you think we don’t have the flexibility to adapt to new situations? Or do you think that it is completely unrelated to our development? Or is it that you don’t think we can learn anything of human psychology from studying apes?

Where you got the idea that this says we are the same as apes throws me, because it says precisely the opposite.

p.s. Or is the problem that our DNA diverged? Is that the problem? I’m really at a loss.
 
It’s true that our physical maturation is greatly retarded, relative to other apes, particularly chimpanzees. As apes grow, the sutures in their cranium fuse early, and it stops growing. But their faces and jaws continue to grow. Human crania don’t fuse until very late, giving us a bulbous skull with a large brain. Our faces and jaws remain tiny as in infant apes.

This is why we look more like baby chimps than adult chimps.

Our proportions are more infantile than adult, compared to chimps, whose arms become longer tan their legs. And in adult chimps,the foramen magnum moves back to the rear of the skull, making their posture more quadrupedal than in infant chimps.

One result of this retardation is the repositioning of the larynx in humans. It means we can choke to death on our food easily, but it also gives us the facility of speech.

http://www.virtual-anthropology.com/virtual-anthropology/images/compare_thompson.jpg

virtual-anthropology.com/virtual-anthropology/geometric-morphometrics/thin-plate-splines
 
I found the use of scientifically imprecise terms like “monkey time” interesting since it underscores the we are just another ape thinking that is prevalent today. And, “genes also choose their own conducive environment” You don’t choose, your genes do. You don’t control yourself, your genes do.

In the mad dash to ‘prove’ we are just another evolved animal, man rejects his God given dignity and replaces it with an elaborate story, a story designed to create another explanation for man’s innate nature. See, this is who you are and this why you behave as you do. For those trapped in what I call slogan thinking, science not only attempts to explain the how but also the why. In other words, your genes decide, and you were randomly mutated and naturally selected to be you, but, in actuality, there is no you. Just your genes doing what they choose.

Peace,
Ed
 
Sideline said:
So… what part of that is wrong in your opinion?

Do you feel that humans don’t develop more slowly than apes in “monkey terms”? Have you ever compared a one year old chimpanzee with a one year old human? The human baby is exactly that… a baby, whereas the chimpanzee will be much more like the adults of his species.

We develop slowly, ergo our development is retarded.

Or is it the later parts you disagree with? Do you think we don’t have the flexibility to adapt to new situations? Or do you think that it is completely unrelated to our development? Or is it that you don’t think we can learn anything of human psychology from studying apes?

Where you got the idea that this says we are the same as apes throws me, because it says precisely the opposite.

p.s. Or is the problem that our DNA diverged? Is that the problem? I’m really at a loss.
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I do not believe this theory :nope: .
These particular scientists insist that both man and the apes came from a hypothetical ape-like ancestor but there is no evidence for their theory. At least none has been found. If they do find evidence, I will take their theory more seriously.
 
Catherine_S said:
I do not believe this theory :nope: .
These particular scientists insist that both man and the apes came from a hypothetical ape-like ancestor but there is no evidence for their theory. At least none has been found. If they do find evidence, I will take their theory more seriously.
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Sigh…

Have you even read an introductory textbook on the subject?

Do you read Nature?

Have you looked at the evidence, or have you just accepted the word of people who have told you there isn’t any?
 
Whiile i do not believe in evolution, I do believe that the vast majority of all human behavior is learned.
 
I do not believe this theory .
These particular scientists insist that both man and the apes came from a hypothetical ape-like ancestor but there is no evidence for their theory. At least none has been found. If they do find evidence, I will take their theory more seriously.
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The man who is now your Pope has written:

**While the story of human origins is complex and subject to revision, physical anthropology and molecular biology combine to make a convincing case for the origin of the human species in Africa about 150,000 years ago in a humanoid population of common genetic lineage. However it is to be explained, the decisive factor in human origins was a continually increasing brain size, culminating in that of homo sapiens. **
Cardinal Ratzinger, report of the International Theological Commission

Of course, he had just finished reviewing the evidence with a group of scientists and theologians. What do you suppose he learned that you haven’t?
 
And now scientists are saying brain size is not important. Meanwhile, my genes are making me type this as a purely adaptive behavior… or something. I mean, I certainly didn’t decide to write this. I think, no, wait a minute… that can’t be right. The article said…:rolleyes:

Peace,

Random organism 459973
 
Catherine_S said:
I do not believe this theory :nope: .
These particular scientists insist that both man and the apes came from a hypothetical ape-like ancestor but there is no evidence for their theory. At least none has been found. If they do find evidence, I will take their theory more seriously.
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How much research have you done on this? Or is this just a case of you not wanting to believe we have evolved and just listening to those who also think human evolution didn;t happen and ignoring the evidence from the other side? If you are interested at all in hearing the otherside…here is a good site. talkorigins.org/ it also has links to many other sites.
 
AnAtheist said:
At the same place where your comprehensive reading skills and your reasoning are, deep in the void.
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I’d be careful about calling out people on their reasoning skills when it comes to psychiatry. It’s not an absolute science, and things are always being changed.

In either case, you have committed an ad hominem attack, thus it makes your argument, void. Try again 🙂
 
Harmony1988 said:
I’d be careful about calling out people on their reasoning skills when it comes to psychiatry. It’s not an absolute science, and things are always being changed.

In either case, you have committed an ad hominem attack, thus it makes your argument, void. Try again 🙂
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He never made an arguement, so its techinically not an ad hominem:D
 
This is one of those hot button topics. So, please keep it civil, everyone. Thank you.
 
Speaking as a dedicated Physical Scientist; this confirms my innate prejudice as to the origin of Social Scientists. 😃
 
And now scientists are saying brain size is not important.
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Within a mammalian species, normal variation in skull size means almost nothing at all. In general, primate species with larger brains, relative to body size, seem to be more intelligent.

Neotony nicely explains a lot of human divergence from the typical ape. Longer legs, shorter arms, larger cranium wth the foramen magnum tucked under, enlarged larnyx, smaller face and jaws, upright posture, etc.

As adults, we rather closely resemble juvenile chimpanzees. And one of the good things about neotony is behavior plasticity remains with us all our lives, while other animals tend to stop learning at some point. We remain “partly green” all our lives.
 
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