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kmuestwin
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I think you are being a bit tricky.
Your first post was about “mean bloodthirsty hunters” and now you are trying to tell people that the vegetarian lifestyle is more holy than an omnivorous one. That’s bologna
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Your first post was about “mean bloodthirsty hunters” and now you are trying to tell people that the vegetarian lifestyle is more holy than an omnivorous one. That’s bologna
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styrgwillidar
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Well, sharks, cougars and worms have to eat too. We’re all part of the food chain at some point.It is true that animals are for our benefit and, while we should be merciful and considerate, they are ours for the taking as we need them.
But the problem with that expression is that someone could retort, “Well… then why did He make us out of meat?”
Anyway, there’s nothing morally superior about any kind of diet as long as one isn’t gluttinous. I happen to be a pescatarian (I think that’s the right term, I only eat certain types of fish) for health reasons-- there’s no morality to it.
I think it does become sinful when one starts to equate animals to people. I would argue some even raise animals to a level above people. I have had acquaintances who support abortion but condemn hunting. ??? You ever notice that a lot of animals eat other animals too, seems to be the way God made the world. Just my .02
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George_Stegmeir
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A few years ago, a strong anti-hunting publicity campaign by so-called animal rights people caused a near ban on deer hunting, and a total ban on bear hunting in New Jersey. Because of the publicity, people who deer hunted became pariahs in the State ( You murdered Bambi!), and bear hunting became against the law.(not by act of the legislature, but by bureaucratic fiat)…that is, until peoples gardens and yards in the suburbs and towns were ruined by marauding hungry deer throughout the State, and black bears started eating household pets and dropped from trees in the Northern suburbs. The authorities realized that the animals were the victims of overpopulation, and even if captured, the authorities had no place to put them. The problem was finally solved by re-allowing hunting.
I think much of the problem people have with hunting, is that we have become an urbanized society and many people tend to think of animals as if they were humans, instead of being beings put on earth by God for use by mankind as food or to help him in their labors. Just stop to think about all of the people who have household pets instead of children.
I think much of the problem people have with hunting, is that we have become an urbanized society and many people tend to think of animals as if they were humans, instead of being beings put on earth by God for use by mankind as food or to help him in their labors. Just stop to think about all of the people who have household pets instead of children.
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Allegra
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I think you have a point. Alot of people’s only experience with animals is in a Disney movie. So, they start thinking of animals as people.
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Luigi_Daniele
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The beef you eat dies a far worse death.
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eo_chibears
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I am a Vegan so no beef dies on my account. Don’t assume things about me.
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maryjk
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I think you are being a bit tricky.
Your first post was about “mean bloodthirsty hunters” and now you are trying to tell people that the vegetarian lifestyle is more holy than an omnivorous one. That’s bologna
I assume the same thing that kmuestwin assumes. You were trying to be tricky with your first post. You have an agenda and instead of stating it, you tried to work around to it.
How about your next post about hunting, eating meat or being a vegan is titled the way you really feel? Rather than beating around the bush.
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Samson01
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Spirituality?
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Luigi_Daniele
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You need to lighten up
Vegetables have a life force, too.
takes another bite of spaghetti with sugo e zucchini
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JimR-OCDS
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I use to hunt, but gave it up because there was a level of violence associated with it, that I didn’t care to be part of in an active way.
There are hunters who enjoy killing, period.
There are others, who hunt for food, but that’s not always the case being in most states, it cost more to hunt for deer meat than what you’d pay to buy beef.
Hunting isn’t immoral if the animal is given humane treatment when it is killed. In fact, it’s probably more humane than the way cattle are treated at agricultural corporation feed-lots, where cows never experienced being free and feeding out in a pasture, but were immediately brought to a feed lot after being weened and feed corn until slaughtered.
A good book on the subject is, “The Omnivore’s Dilemma,” By Michael Polan.
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JimR-OCDS
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FYI, Paleo man ate meat that is a scientific fact.
The great flood as told in the Bible, still hasn’t been proven scientifically.
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eo_chibears
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CCC 2418- It is contrary to human dignity to cause animals to suffer or die needlessly.
Shooting a deer with an arrow will not kill the animal instantly. The animal will bleed out and in many cases suffer for a period of time. Animals that are processed in kill facilities suffer horribly. There are many videos and documented cases of this suffering. So from a spiritual stand point I feel abstaining from meat is the right thing to do.
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eo_chibears
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Sounds like a good read. Thanks for the info.
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Samson01
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You of course are wrong. I bow hunt and an eithical shot just behind the shoulder blade of a deer pierces the top of lungs and heart causing a quick death. Please stick with what you know or are experienced in. In my state many have to hunt and there us nothing uneithical about legaly stocking a freezer for winter. In my county even the kids are off of school for the first week of rifle season to do just that. As for your spiritual scruples on eating meat, that is your problem, not mine. Please don’t push your conscience on me. Samson
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eo_chibears
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I didn’t say it’s your problem. This forum is designed for people to get answers and advice on many issues. You are incredibly wrong if you think that the majority of bow hunters instantly kill their pray. Get your facts straight before attacking somebody.
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Samson01
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You attacked my way of life and way of feeding my family on some made up spiritual, ethical practice. Quite a joke, really. But this is your thread, enjoy. Samson
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eo_chibears
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Maybe a joke to you but not to me. God bless
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JimR-OCDS
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This quote from Henry David Thoreau, became my personal choice on whether I would continue to hunt or not. It in no way judges what others must do.
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Luigi_Daniele
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Very nice! Thank you for sharing.
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Ridgerunner
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I do think some who oppose hunting because they feel it is cruel, have never seen how animals lose their lives in the “natural” wild. Nothing pretty about it. I would far rather die by being shot with a high powered rifle than to be torn to pieces by a predator and partially eaten while still alive and conscious.
There probably are some cattle who spend their entire lives in feed lots, but that would be very unusual. The overwhelming number are, indeed, raised on pastures for most of their lives. Most cattle are never fed grain and never see a feed lot. Only the choicest ever do that; the steers and heifers that are the highest grades of meat. Those are referred to as “feeders”. Even then, they spend from 80 to 120 days on feed, and that’s all.
Most weaned calves are put back on pasture for quite a long while. Some are “backgrounded” by putting them on wheat fields to eat the early blades of the wheat that are actually grass and very nutritious.
Interestingly, perhaps, due to the cost of grain nowadays, the market for “feeders” has changed. The price per pound once rewarded selling calves rather smallish…350-450 lb, because grain was cheap. Nowadays, the feed lots (and processors) “upstream” the growing period back to the ranchers and pay high prices for “heavies”; calves that weigh 700 lb and more, all the way up to 1,000 lb. It pays ranchers now to get them that big if they have the grass to feed them on. That shortens the grain feeding period and eliminates much of the “backgrounding” part of it as a specialty. In effect, the rancher “backgrounds” them himself on ordinary pasture. Feeders are usually butchered at anywhere from 1,000 to 1300 lb weight.
Also, due to the corn ethanol program, little if any actual corn is fed in feed lots anymore. Too expensive. It’s mostly a mix of brewers’ grain (largely, but not entirely from ethanol plants) and the waste parts of grain like cottonseed hulls, rice hulls, oat hulls or wheat fines.
The only reason why any feeders are ever fed in feed lots is to impart “marbling” to the meat; fat lacing the meat, in other words. Some, like Australians, prefer fully grass-fed.
Some sizeable steers or heifers resist the development of marbling, and just add fat layers exterior to the meat. So a lot of them are never fed grain at all, for that reason.
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