Husband and I not having sex because we don't want children.

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No, your assertion is that the Church does not require a couple to have sex. They do by the fact that to intend to NOT have sex or the inability to have sex is an IMPEDIMENT to marriage.

If you do not like the sources feel free to post your own. Wiki is not always reliable but here it is true. As others have posted cannon law as well.

All you have posted is your opinion as fact.

If you think Wiki is wrong, perhaps you have a duty to correct it.

The Church is quite clear on this. I wonder where you are finding the confusion?
The couple must be physically capable of having sex and willing to do so if requested by their spouse. But there is no requirement that they ever do so for a valid marriage.

Look at Blessed Louis Martin and Zélie Guérin. They were validly married but refrained from sex for months until they were advised by their spiritual director that raising a family was their vocation. There are other examples of couples who validly married but refrained from sex.
 
No, your assertion is that the Church does not require a couple to have sex. They do by the fact that to intend to NOT have sex or the inability to have sex is an IMPEDIMENT to marriage.
The OP, by her own words, has already consummated the marriage after baptism. The intention of not having sex prior to marriage is not relevant after the marriage has been consummated. Not having sex after the marriage has been consummated cannot be an impediment; it’s simply a nonsensical statement.
If you do not like the sources feel free to post your own. Wiki is not always reliable but here it is true. As others have posted cannon law as well.
Since the marriage is consummated, here’s the relevant Canon:

Can. 1141 A marriage that is ratum et consummatum can be dissolved by no human power and by no cause, except death.
All you have posted is your opinion as fact.
I freely state when something is my opinion. However, this is not my opinion, it is Divine Law.
 
They do by the fact that to intend to NOT have sex or the inability to have sex is an IMPEDIMENT to marriage.
With regard to the particular point of agreeing not to have sex prior to marriage, that’s NOT an impediment. You will find no Canon that supports that position. In fact, it is just the opposite. Such marriages are permitted and do exist (referred to as Josephite marriages). If having sex were a requirement, Josephite marriages would be null and void by their very nature, and would not be permitted by the Church. However, this is a side discussion, not relevant to the OP’s consummated, sacramental marriage.

The ONLY thing that could possibly challenge the OP’s marriage is the desire to not have children. And that is only relevant if the couple divorces and challenges the validity of that marriage before a Tribunal…not something the OP even brought up. Otherwise, the marriage is presumed valid, regardless of anyone’s opinion here. Even with the particular point, the OP has provided information indicating that if she had children she would take care of them; that is evidence for openness to having children. Simply abstaining, with agreement of the spouses, would be problematic as far as challenging validity goes because that act of abstaining is not sinful
 
We believe our marriage became Sacramental after baptism. We didn’t believe so much that we would not be having sex without contraceptives i.e. condom. We knew it was wrong but I, personally, didn’t think of it as GRAVE. In fact we had sex with condom once about a month after baptism. My husband felt horrible, went to confession. I didn’t think it was so horrible, and waited till I felt it was horrible enough to confess. Eventually we both felt it was totally wrong and decided to abstain from sex since we both didn’t want children or contraceptives. I had an issue with porn and masturbation as well even after baptism. I struggled every night and eventually stopped a few months after baptism. The temptation IS still around but I just don’t even feel like going there any more because I know it hurts God.

(edit) Now we have progressed to the stage where we felt like nothing excites as much in life. The life we thought that was fairly good was in fact pointless, until we had a relationship with God. God took away my lust, and both our greed. We used to spend so much on fine dining, good food, and food was the first thing on our minds when we awoke. We over-ordered all the time, gluttons, you get it. We feel like we are free from these wants now. God took them away, and while being thankful, somehow we also didn’t feel like sex anymore. But yes, what a few of you mentioned is valid - the fear of children did keep us away too from each other.
A lot of people FEAR having children, even if the outward signs say otherwise. Simply fearing children may not rise to the level of a just reason to avoid having them and not having relations.

Not having relations may not be healthy in the long term, either.

I think, as others have stated, you and your husband need spiritual direction and counseling to address the issues as to WHY you feel fearful of having children.
 
A lot of people FEAR having children, even if the outward signs say otherwise. Simply fearing children may not rise to the level of a just reason to avoid having them and not having relations.

Not having relations may not be healthy in the long term, either.

I think, as others have stated, you and your husband need spiritual direction and counseling to address the issues as to WHY you feel fearful of having children.
Hi dluna,

I agree with the others who say that you should talk to a priest/spiritual director about what is going on in your marriage.

I would also look at methods of NFP, too. There are several to choose from. They are very effective, as already noted. You could learn when to abstain to avoid pregnancy, and then you could see when to be active, so that you can both at least have relations and at least not be afraid to do that.
 
Thank you for taking the time to advise me. A lot has since happened over the last few days. I’ve completely stopped reading the bible now and does not want to even talk to God. I realise today that I have also forgotten to give thanks at meal times. I seem spiritually dry. I’ve also stopped praying. Is this normal? Do such “dry” periods happen to Catholics from time to time? I apologise if this is off-topic.
 
Thank you for taking the time to advise me. A lot has since happened over the last few days. I’ve completely stopped reading the bible now and does not want to even talk to God. I realise today that I have also forgotten to give thanks at meal times. I seem spiritually dry. I’ve also stopped praying. Is this normal? Do such “dry” periods happen to Catholics from time to time? I apologise if this is off-topic.
It is possible to “go off your feed” in the spiritual sense as well as in the physical sense. Talk this over with your pastor; you’ll get better answers (because he can know what is not appropriate for you to post here) and I am sure less anxiety, too. All of this guessing may be unnecessarily disturbing you without any good effect.
 
Thank you for taking the time to advise me. A lot has since happened over the last few days. I’ve completely stopped reading the bible now and does not want to even talk to God. I realise today that I have also forgotten to give thanks at meal times. I seem spiritually dry. I’ve also stopped praying. Is this normal? Do such “dry” periods happen to Catholics from time to time? I apologise if this is off-topic.
perhaps you should have talked to your priest for guidance instead of posting this topic here…you’re getting told by others…no matter how good their intentions…that you are going against the teachings of the church…no wonder you are feeling drained…just talk to your priest…it’s between you and your husband and your priest…and…God.🙂
 

Given that point, since there is always a chance that someone can get pregnant using natural or artificial methods of pregnancy prevention, I don’t see how a condom or NFP can be morally wrong.
Use of Condoms

Deposition of sexual secretions * in the vagina is a necessary condition for the conjugal act to retain its unitive significance. Each and every conjugal act must embody the intention of complete “self-donation,” otherwise one is withholding from one’s partner something natural to the act, which deprives the conjugal act of the unitive significance, making it morally illicit.
 
I’m back here.

IT IS 2015!

What’s changed?

My husband and I find ourselves liking children.😉

I have also surrendered to God my womb. We haven’t had sex though. We talked about it and now find lusty thoughts uncomfortable. But it is certainly better news.

Praying for a sex life now in order for the kids to come.🙂
 
I would like to share more but can’t edit the previous post. So here it goes:

I’m back here.

IT IS 2015!

What’s changed?
  1. My husband and I find ourselves liking children.😉
  2. My husband is still active in Church and helping 15-year-olds in catechism.
  3. I prayed specially to help non-Catholic underprivileged children and am now helping these children. I can’t thank God enough for this small opportunity.
  4. I have also surrendered to God my womb.
  5. I admit I had a bad childhood, an abusive one, so I didn’t want to have children because I didn’t want my children to know my parents. Bad parents, bad grandparents. But I have forgiven my family and pray for them now.
  6. Am saying the rosary as many times as I can in a week!🙂
We haven’t had sex though. We talked about it and now find lusty thoughts uncomfortable. But it is certainly better news. One step at a time. 🙂

Praying for a sex life now in order for the kids to come.🙂
 
dluna, did you ever manage to read the book A Severe Mercy by Sheldon Vanauken? I mentioned it to you when you originally posted last year. It is a wonderful true account of transforming and conforming love to Christ. I would so highly recommend it because you and your husband sound quite like that couple.
Your journey sounds very similar to the story of the couple from the biography “A Severe Mercy” by Sheldon Vanauken. Their love began as pagan love but it was a type of love that couldn’t help but lead them into the Church eventually. Many of their ideas were similar to what you and your husband have and perhaps these steps are somewhat natural when a couple progresses from no faith to Catholic faith. (Most converts come via another Christian denomination)

This couple were friends with CS Lewis and it was in talking with him that they honed their faith. However one thing CS Lewis did criticise them on was the decision not to have children. He didn’t see that choice as being truly compatible with married love. The wife in the story passes away before she has the chance to have a child but Vanauken wrote a follow up book called ‘Under the Mercy’ to reflect on their journey and chronicle the things he came to understand and the things he came to regret later in his life.

The books might give you some real life reflections on a journey that you are similarly making and honestly, the story is a testament to love in an unusual but transformative way.
 
I’m back here.

IT IS 2015!

What’s changed?

My husband and I find ourselves liking children.😉

I have also surrendered to God my womb. We haven’t had sex though. We talked about it and now find lusty thoughts uncomfortable. But it is certainly better news.

Praying for a sex life now in order for the kids to come.🙂
Just my perspective here, but I dont believe Catholicism teaches that sexual thoughts for your spouse are sinful. They are usually sinful and considered lust when you’re not married because no commitment exists and the pleasure is only saught for itself. Obviously when you are married commitment exists, so there is no selfish aspect since the two of you totally give yourselves to one another.
 
My husband and I recently got baptized into the Catholic faith. We realized that the use of contraception is a sin. But because we don’t want children, we decided not to have sex. Is this still wrong and sinful?

We are coping pretty well after a year of no-sex. My husband is very active at Church while I read the Bible daily, trying to know God better. We’ve talked about this lately and we agree that even if we want children later on, it seems quite impossible to be “lustful” with each other as we seem incapable of sexual or lustful thoughts now.

I guess I am just asking if there are others like us, who now find themselves incapable of sex and who live with their spouses like brothers and sisters? My husband and I love each other very much and often pray that we can leave together as we are quite inseparable.

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From Address to Midwives, Pope Pius XII:

Today, besides, another grave problem has arisen, namely, if and how far the obligation of being ready for the service of maternity is reconcilable with the ever more general recourse to the periods of natural sterility the so-called “agenesic” periods in woman, which seems a clear expression of a will contrary to that precept.

The reason is that marriage obliges the partners to a state of life, which even as it confers certain rights so it also imposes the accomplishment of a positive work concerning the state itself. In such a case, the general principle may be applied that a positive action may be omitted if grave motives, independent of the good will of those who are obliged to perform it, show that its performance is inopportune, or prove that it may not be claimed with equal right by the petitioner—in this case, mankind.

The matrimonial contract, which confers on the married couple the right to satisfy the inclination of nature, constitutes them in a state of life, namely, the matrimonial state. Now, on married couples, who make use of the specific act of their state, nature and the Creator impose the function of providing for the preservation of mankind. This is the characteristic service which gives rise to the peculiar value of their state, the bonum prolis. The individual and society, the people and the State, the Church itself, depend for their existence, in the order established by God, on fruitful marriages. Therefore, to embrace the matrimonial state, to use continually the faculty proper to such a state and lawful only therein, and, at the same time, to avoid its primary duty without a grave reason, would be a sin against the very nature of married life.

Serious motives, such as those which not rarely arise from medical, eugenic, economic and social so-called “indications,” may exempt husband and wife from the obligatory, positive debt for a long period or even for the entire period of matrimonial life. From this it follows that the observance of the natural sterile periods may be lawful, from the moral viewpoint: and it is lawful in the conditions mentioned. If, however, according to a reasonable and equitable judgment, there are no such grave reasons either personal or deriving from exterior circumstances, the will to avoid the fecundity of their union, while continuing to satisfy to the full their sensuality, can only be the result of a false appreciation of life and of motives foreign to sound ethical principles.

~ Address to Midwives, Given by His Holiness Pope Pius XII, 29 October 1951
 
Hmmm… interesting. I realize there’s been some updates, but still, my two cents here…

From what I gather, it’s not moral to marry and not have sex for the purpose of not having children. The reason why, is because it’s one of the canon reasons to annul a marriage, is the avoidance of having children.

Children are wonderful. They’re not “brats.” The definition of brat is an ill-mannered child, and as a parent you would be responsible for teaching them to not be a brat.

Sex is a gift from God, for the purpose of married life. I wish you happiness in your marriage. And I hope you and your husband can now unite. You are after all, as husband and wife, one body and one flesh.
 
@ EasterJoy
Ok and thanks for the info , anyway , i do respect the couple’s choice

I’m not married or living together and also i don’t wanna have kids !!
I love my life , i love to live “alone” (my own choice) 🙂
And so i’m not qualified to give a solution :o
Don’t worry, you’re not alone. A lot of people out there enjoy the freedom and peace of living single and there is nothing wrong with that. I know that if I ever decide to get married, it will be after menopause. I’m almost there now. And it’s not sinful to marry after menopause 👍
 
I’m actually not sure what advice the couple is looking for. So far from what the OP has posted:
  • They converted to Catholicism
  • They are abstaining from sex completely
  • They don’t not want children, but will deal with it if they do
  • They feel more Holy by abstaining
Quite frankly, I don’t see an issue between the couple. The only issue I see is that other people think they should be having sex. That is up to no one but the couple. It is most certainly possible that they are not meant to have children. That decision is up to them.
Exactly! Thank you!!!
 
Don’t worry, you’re not alone. A lot of people out there enjoy the freedom and peace of living single and there is nothing wrong with that. I know that if I ever decide to get married, it will be after menopause. I’m almost there now. And it’s not sinful to marry after menopause 👍
Single life provides its own special opportunities to serve God and his people.
 
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