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Here is my situation, I would like any comments, especially from men:

I am an American that happened to have Canadian citizenship because my mother was born in Canada. I was married to my first husband for 17 years and divorced him finally after years of abuse and contempt.
I get together with a man from the UK and we have a wonderful affair, fell in love hard and I moved to the UK to be with him. I took my then 12 year old son.
I managed to find a nice working life in a niche profession that gave me structure, meaning and money. Son grows up and moves back to the states to go to college. He is now 21. I’m 53, my husband is 57. We have been together for 11 years. Mostly absolutely wonderful and happy.

My husband has complained about his job from the first day I met him. So when he maxed out his pension I encouraged him to retire. We have money (6 figures) in the bank, a good pension and own everything. He has always wanted to live in the States, so we naturally looked to go there after retirement. But at some point the healthcare thing came into our minds and we decided that $1000.00 a month can buy a lot of other things besides insurance premiums. So we looked at Canada.

Neither of us have any relation to Canada, or connection to it. Neither of us had spent longer than a weekend in the country. We found a place in BC that seemed OK. We thought that we had done our homework and it looked nice. Beautiful mountains, the sea, wildlife…et al.
We spent three days there in the summer and bought a house.

We were under pressure because our house in the UK unexpectedly sold in under a week. And all our research had been on this place in BC and we had not looked anywhere else. We thought we had time, when it fact it did not turn out that way.

We moved, lock stock and barrel. I felt very uneasy about it, but figured it was just the moving.

After about four months my husband gets an opportunity to go back to work part time doing consulting. He works two weeks out of four. Sometimes more. He is in Vancouver for a week, and then the UK for a week.

With traveling I have him home for around 10-12 days month. We have pets that need looking after, so I am home alone all the rest of the time pet sitting.

The place we landed is a small island with a very small,population. It cannot support restaurants, or grocery stores or even a coffee shop. What is here is open only in the summer when we get some tourism. I cannot work either in my previous profession (teaching) or in anything else. There are about six jobs available here, and I have no references in Canada.

I hate the place. It is cold and wet and all the people are “alternative”. They are either old hippies, or young hippies. There is a lot of squalor here and no one is very well educated, or cares to be. There is a lot of pot smoking here, that and drinking seem to be the pastimes of choice. People come here because they are running away, or they only stay for a few months in the summer, and then go back to real life.

It is nice that we get to see eagles and ducks. It is fun to go kayaking. But most of the time I am alone and I can easily spend weeks without seeing another soul. Groceries are two ferry rides (each way) and $60.00 away. I can’t even get to church in time for mass.

We used to do things like see historical places, and art galleries. We used to go To London for dinner and a show.His family became mine.I used to have a job that gave me a stake in the family economy. I used to have responsibilities and spent 7-8 hours a day in the company of other teachers and students. I used to plan lessons and mark work. I was happy.

We moved because I wanted to make my husband happy. I didn’t balk, I thought it was “his turn”. I thought that with retirement we would go out to play a lot. But as it happens he is not home much now, and we are so far away from things that we can’t even go to a movie without an overnight stay in a hotel. And that means finding a pet sitter…it’s like preparing for an expedition to do anything. And so…we haven’t.

This situation has turned a lovely, confidant, happy woman into a mess. I cry all the time, I am so homesick I want to die. I struggle to fill the hours. I read a lot, and pray a lot, and watch TV a lot.
My husband does not want to move and I am told to “sort myself out!” He will not go to counselling.
He refuses to understand my side, and gets angry when I try to talk to him about it.
He says he’s working for the money only and for no other reason.

Recently he has agreed to move to another island closer to the city. There are more people,there and access to Victoria is better. We are house hunting and the present house is on the market.

I don’t really want to move there. I want to go home. I am terrified that we are doing the same thing as before, just on another island. I have told him so. Again, we have no connection to this new place. It is more expensive, so he says he will have to work more to pay for it. I have already been blamed for incurring the costs we put into the present house to make it work for us, and now I am being blamed for his working. I am now “selfish, immature, and ungrateful!”.

I want to go home and find a nice mid terrace house that is cheap and cheerful. I would much rather travel or have fun on the money we don’t spend on another big fancy house.
He is the one who wants the nice things,the magazine house, not me. I want my life back. I feel like my life is over if I stay here, and that the man I married has suddenly changed for the worse.

We are not married in the Church. He has said some things recently that if he had said them whilst we were courting would have been a deal breaker. I often feel,that I should divorce him and go home letting him have his isolated life. It would a kinder thing than to make him move and then still hate Canada and still want to go home.
What should I do? What would you do?
 
I don’t get why your husband will not move back to the UK. It seems like his job involves a lot of traveling so why does it matter where he lives. Also, why not move to a bigger city in Canada or the U.S. Seems like you don’t like the isolation. Why not move to Toronto or New York City or San Francisco, or some other great North American city?
 
He says he likes the isolation.
He now says he hates people. They are silly idiots that quack on about nothing all day long.
He now says he hates Britain, in spite of having sent the first 56 years there. And he is now back there on a regular basis.
He says he never gets lonely.

I don’t understand it either…
But the US is out year round because of healthcare.
 
I think you’ve posted here before, but obviously there are new developments. I know the area that you are talking about and I understand the transportation difficulties. (We’ve trekked from Port Angeles to Victoria to an island to Vancouver while visiting family.) I know people who love their island property in your area, but they love it because they live in the big city and spend peaceful weekends there.

Don’t feel too bad about your home purchase mistake–a lot of people have done exactly the same thing in places like Washington, Montana, Maine, Wyoming, and other wild and scenic places with not much else there.

Here are a few thoughts.
  1. Where is home at this point? The UK?
  2. Don’t buy a new house until you work out your relationship and are totally sure what you want. I would suggest renting for a year or two in the new area until you are quite sure. A small place in Victoria or Vancouver (and then nice vacations on the islands and elsewhere) might be much more satisfactory.
  3. Your husband seems determined to work, work, work to afford a nice house that he doesn’t have time for and then he takes it out on you.
  4. You sound like a city mouse and it sounds like your husband believes that he is an island mouse, while he doesn’t actually spend much time on the island and I’m not totally sure he would enjoy it if he did.
  5. You wrote, “My husband has complained about his job from the first day I met him.” Your husband sounds like the kind of guy who thinks he hates his job, but actually can’t live without it. It’s not a bad thing that he feels compelled to work, but a little more self-knowledge would be a good thing.
  6. Marriage counseling! I don’t care if it’s expensive to take the ferry and pay for a hotel room and meals. Divorce is 100s of times more expensive and it would do you so much good to get off the island. You’d be able to get to Mass and run errands and you’d feel so much better.
  7. I have a book recommendation for you: Betty McDonald’s “The Egg and I.” It’s about a woman who followed her husband to a remote location in Washington State because that was his dream. (They eventually got a divorce, but that’s not in the book–it’s very funny.)
  8. Over the next year or two, work toward returning to work. It doesn’t matter if you don’t have Canadian references. Canada is full of immigrants, and this is the 21st century.
  9. Talk to your husband about your needs. Obviously, you need people and city life and work and so forth to be happy. What does he need? The more moderate his needs are, the less he’ll have to work to pay for them.
Best wishes!
 
Where do you consider your home to be, the U.K.? If your husband is working there, why would he not want you to live there too? Where is he living when he is in the U.K. working? I am not sure what the reason for either of you living in Canada at this point is. I think you need to tell your husband that Canada is not working for you at all, or at least you should get out and find a place in Canada that you would be happy in, maybe just outside a city and not on an island.

Please don’t talk about divorce to your husband. Once it is spoken, it cannot be unsaid.
 
I’m sorry, I couldn’t remember if I had posted about this or not.
The UK is home for me.
I do want to live there. He doesn’t. He thinks he will be working for a few years and that’s it.
Although he did just sign up for another year in the UK. He’s working for the money,see. So he can but a new house for his greedy, plastic loving wife.
That the problem.
 
yeah, sounds like there are bigger problem in the marriage than just what you are saying. seems like he’s taking all his frustration on you.

i don’t really knonw what kind of advice to give except to try and find things to be happy about, you will not be truly fulfilled with just tinking that the grass is greener somewhere else. but if he works in vancouver, couldn’t you move there? i know real estate is expensive but there are suburbs you can live in which aren’t too bad

i know where you are coming from though to some extent. i live in vancouver so i know which islands you are talking about. also, my mom immigrated here from china 25 years ago and her masters in microbiology never got recognized, so she decided to stay at home and raise me instead. as a result, she never gets any kind of recognition and people are constantly putting her down because of it.

are there things you can do as volunteering? you said there are some jobsyou can get, it may not be what you are certified in but you could sitll do them couldn’t you? sometimes we have to do things that don’t necessarily like, at least that’s what my mom keeps telling me.

those are my only thoughts at the moment, sorry if it’s not helpful. but if your husband won’t listen to you, then either try and talk to him which i get from your post doesn’t seem to be working or else get a divorce, which of course is never the best option. option 3 is try and make the best out of your situation.

i will pray for you and god bless
 
Deltadelinquent said:

“So he can but a new house for his greedy, plastic loving wife.”

I think there’s a lot of self-deception going on. You are not doing this to him. He is doing this to himself.

If you can, sit him down and have each of you write down where you would like to live and see how much overlap there is. I like the idea of Toronto as a better match for you (the trans-Atlantic commute would be much better). Once you’ve arrived at a list with a number of locations, discuss your minimum requirements for a home and how expensive they are in the different areas you both like, as well as your ideal work schedule (as well as how much income that schedule is likely to generate). I suspect that your ideal work schedule would easily cover your minimum home. The mismatch is between his ideal schedule and his minimum requirements for a home.

You aren’t married in the Church and you don’t have children together. Divorce would not be the end of the world for you. Remember that when you are talking to him. You don’t need to curl up in a ball, because even in the worst case scenario (divorce), you get to leave the island and live where you want. You actually have a very strong hand in this situation.

Best wishes!
 
Thank you. You’re right, I’m not doing this to him.
We made a mistake, that’s all.
But in spite of the fact he is not here very much, he seems to think it is all good.
I’ve given him several scenarios on how to fix this. Some of which allow him to keep the present place as a vacation spot. It really is nice in the summer. I have also suggested Prince Edward Island. It’s close to Toronto and closer to my son in New Jersey. It’s more farmy in character, and less wild. But it also can be isolated. I’ve not been there, but it looks nice. Like New England. But he won’t even consider it.
But he’s not having any of it. I don’t understand why there is only one way to live anymore.
We went from having the world at our feet, to only being able to live on the west coast of Canada.
Funny,he’s only living and working here because I sponsored him for his visa. I’ve shot myself in the foot.

He also won’t take out a mortgage, or bridging loan for the new place. He insists on paying for it in full, which means he has to work. It could be a couple of years before this place sells. It’s not an easy place to sell a house. I believe he is hoping it will take a long time to sell, and that in the meantime I will settle down.

I can’t believe this is the same man I married.

Ad you are also right, we don’t have a lifetime together, we didn’t grow into adulthood together, or have any children together. But I do believe in marriage and want to do the right thing. I don’t want to start again, and I want to make this work. We are good together except for this. But this is a very big “this”. I don’t know what else to do. It seems my choices are to just take it, or to leave it.

I do love him. I am just at my wits end. He thinks he knows what I want and that moving to this other island will fix things. In spite of me saying I didn’t think it would work, and that I wanted to go back to the UK. That I wasn’t ready to sit on the sofa and knit all day. That I wasn’t ready to retire, spending the next thirty years waiting for the last heartbeat.

I’m sorry that this is a repeat of another post. I hadn’t realised I had asked for help before.
Doing nothing all day can really make your brain turn to pudding.

Bless you all.
 
Another thought…get rid of the animals, so you are free to travel with your husband sometimes.
 
I have thought of that. Not a bad idea…
He says he likes the isolation.
He now says he hates people. They are silly idiots that quack on about nothing all day long.
He now says he hates Britain, in spite of having sent the first 56 years there. And he is now back there on a regular basis.
He says he never gets lonely.

I don’t understand it either…
But the US is out year round because of healthcare.
I’m confused. Are you both the same person or two posters with a similar issue?
 
Sorry, the same person. I use deltadeliquent for everything. I was trying to be discrete.
 
What should I do? What would you do?

Who does the Church say is your husband? Are you currently in a valid marriage?
 
Im not sure. It’s not sacramental. It wa a civil ceremony.

He’s baptised but is atheistic. Was agnostic when we married…
I’m catholic, but didn’t marry in the church.

I don’t have an annulment for my first, I just never got around to it. It would be a straightforward Defect of Form annulment. It was never valid from the get go for numerous reasons.

If things work out I’d like to get my marriage convalidated. I think t would be wise to wait to until this is worked out though. Not very romantic, I know.

I didn’t practice Catholicism for the period when I met and married my husband. Now I’m back. I know I have things to attend to…
 
Deltadelinquent/Southernbelle12 said:

“He also won’t take out a mortgage, or bridging loan for the new place. He insists on paying for it in full, which means he has to work. It could be a couple of years before this place sells. It’s not an easy place to sell a house. I believe he is hoping it will take a long time to sell, and that in the meantime I will settle down.”

I sympathize with not wanting to take out a loan. It is, however, possible to rent a little pied a terre in either Vancouver or Victoria and have a bit more city life. I bet you could earn enough to pay for the rent for a small place, even with a non-professional job. (Obviously, you’d have other expenses, but you are already paying for stuff like dog food and groceries, and I bet your island groceries are terribly expensive.)

“I do love him. I am just at my wits end. He thinks he knows what I want and that moving to this other island will fix things. In spite of me saying I didn’t think it would work, and that I wanted to go back to the UK. That I wasn’t ready to sit on the sofa and knit all day. That I wasn’t ready to retire, spending the next thirty years waiting for the last heartbeat.”

What does he say when you say, “That’s not what I want, honey. I want to go back to work, and I want to move to an area with more people in it”? Does he just say, “No you don’t”?

“I’m sorry that this is a repeat of another post. I hadn’t realised I had asked for help before.
Doing nothing all day can really make your brain turn to pudding.”

It’s OK–that was a while back, and at the time, he wasn’t talking about moving to another island.

How about suggesting a trial of renting for a year on Vancouver Island or the Lower Mainland, with the understanding that in a year, you’ll talk about how you both feel about it?

Also, do you do a monthly budget together? I think that’s a good time to claim privileges like X dollars for ferry and a job hunting budget for you. I would suggest starting to work now on looking for possible work at BC colleges. Even if you can’t get a job-job right away, with your teaching background and the large number of non-English speakers in the area, it should be possible to collect a good number of English tutoring students.

If he’s in principle OK with selling the house, sell the house.
 
Deltadelinquent/Southernbelle12 said:

“If things work out I’d like to get my marriage convalidated. I think t would be wise to wait to until this is worked out though. Not very romantic, I know.”

That’s perfectly understandable.
 
I have suggested renting a place. He aquiesed at first, but when it came down to doing it, he blew up at me. He wanted me to find a pet sitter every time he went to work, even though I wasn’t going to be on the island. Then he accused me of "just up and leaving everyone ".
He made it clear that he didn’t want me staying anywhere but the island.

When I tell him what I want, he makes an ugly face and says I shouldn’t want that. I shouldn’t want to work, it’s horrible working.
We used to live on a boat in the UK. He often says it was one of the happiest times of his life. We moved into a house because our teenaged kids were big enough to need more room. He insisted on selling the boat. I wanted to keep it for vacations and retirement. He refused. Now it is back up for sale at a price we could simply write a check for. He even went to see it. It is in good shape. But when he got back to BC he refused to consider going back on the boat, even for the time he still works. I got an earful about how horrible Britain is.

We have a good income, and savings. It’s not like we can’t afford to do something else. He simply won’t. I don’t get it. He has suddenly turned into King Midas. Except that he doesn’t want to know how that story ended…

He is very good at skirting an issue. If I am not talking about it right that second, it doesn’t exist. If I talk about it all the time, I am lambasted for being relentless, “can’t we just get on without talking about it all the time?” But he does this without having gotten to any resolution. I’ll stop talking about it when we have some resolution.

Now he thinks this new island and a more expensive house will cure me. It’s me, not him, who has a problem I’m told.
Tis line of thinking makes me wonder if I shouldn’t just leave him to his eagles and start over again without him. I’m sick of talking about it too.
Yet I’m still waking up in the morning wondering how I will fill the hours until bedtime.

There is no work on the island. There is not social life on the island unless you want to drink and smoke into oblivion. Many people live without electricity or water or a bathroom.
It’s fine if that’s what they want. They are just not my sort of people. I do have a couple of aquantinces here. But as to a full and interesting, rich life? Can’t have it here. Maybe I’m jaded and I’ve been ruined by my education. Maybe I’m being unfair. Maybe I am just crazy.
What is it they say?
You can’t keep them down on the farm after they’ve seen Pa-ree.
 
He is not hearing me on purpose. I have been perfectly open and honest with him.

I told him once that when my misery turned into anger, he was in trouble. It is anger that will make me leave him. I’m starting to get angry.

I am so resentful and jealous of him. He gets to have a good life, travel see people, solve problems, get paid very good money… And he gets to do it in Britain. Where I want to be. What used to be our home. Every time he mentions England I want to slap him. It feels like he’s rubbing it in my face.
 
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