Husband doesn't pick up after himself...what to do?

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The situations you describe are safety issues more than a messy/tidy issue. The most effective way for him to change his behaviors would be for him to see firsthand the danger it creates. (is there a way to get the point across without your daughter having to choke on pennies first?). Your children should be safe w/in their own home. This is the most important issue; don’t let discussion of tidiness etc cloud how important it is for them to have a safe, child- proofed space. Pennies and power tools don’t go with toddler-proofed, they just dont
 
If this is the worst aspect of your marriage, THANK GOD.
👍:clapping::amen:

I’ll trade places with her! She could have a very neat home if her husband took on my husband’s problem, because HE WOULDN’T BE HOME to make messes!!!
 
I agree with Luna. A friend of mine, after 20 years of unfinished projects, took her child and moved out demanding he see a therapist. It helped. They reconciled. However, he is a perfectionist and, although he has managed to finish some of the projects, he still will not hire someone to catch up. His messiness was attributed to what he learned and saw in his home as a kid.

When a person is messy, he doesn’t know what he has nor where he can find it and usually will go off and buy the same item he “lost”. I was not aware of the expense until, during our last move, I counted 15 measuring tapes. This is like a housewife having 15 pairs of kitchen shears. Not necessary.
 
about guys and dangers to babies. Even after 5 kids my friend’s husband still makes dumb decisons about putting down a pen, phone because he’s wired differently. He may let the kids play with a hammer but freaked out when they were putting their tadpoles in a glass jar.

Its not stupidity, or culture, or ignorance. Men do not see danger the way women do. Men like to toss babies into the air and to pack them into a sled and go tobogginning. Very dangerous stuff. Having 3 brothers I know a bit about the disconnect.
 
It is good to know there are other people going through the daily “grr…do you seriously want our daughter to choke on all these pennies laying around?!” For those who don’t go through it, it seems petty but it can be a big deal.
Then it’s important to frame it as a health and safety rather than the plot line of The Odd Couple (and gosh, I am sooo dating myself with that reference). Children choking on loose change, poking themselves with sharp objects, the list is endless when you mix untidiness and small children.

Do you know what was the line in the sand moment with me? In the same weekend my husband: 1. was bonked in the head when an iron fell out of the hallway closet, where it had been precariously perched on top of the ironing board and some loose paperwork; 2. set fire to some paper grocery he’d put on the stove not realizing that one of the burners had been left on. True. Story.

These events, couple with the fact that his daughters were modeling themselves after his behavior and leaving their bedroom and the living room looking like a kindergarten classroom had exploded, made me confront him and basically say, “Look, I can’t marry you like this. This behavior isn’t only messy, it’s dangerous for you, your kids, and for me.”

I feel for you, LilyO. I pray that you and your husband can work together to affect a solution to his behavior.

Luna
 
I am occasionally very messy, especially with my dirty clothes and would have no problem if my wife put them all in a pile. I imagine your husband would have no problem if you put all his clutter in a box. When that one fills, get another box–they’re cheap. Eventually he will have to organize to be able to find his stuff. If not, at least you just have boxes of his stuff that you can stack neatly in the garage.

Again, I would have not problem with this, but ask for permission first. I actually do this with my wife’s stuff from the car–she can’t seem to bring stuff in from the trunk. When I need the trunk, it just all goes into boxes and she can sort it out when she finds time.
Excellent suggestion. We do this in real time at my house. My husband and I are both rather untidy and so are our children (big suprise! :p). We have bins for things and “zones”. The kitchen and bathrooms are germ-free,so a stack of newspapers on the floor, or unmade beds don’t get a second glance around here. 😉

To the OP, do not treat your husband like a child. Get a bigger toolbox or bin, so things can get dropped in and don’t need to be so tidy. Ask him to keep potentially dangerous things put away so your children don’t hurt themselves, and don’t worry so much about the rest.
 
Does he not want to, or is he obilvious to it? Both my husband and I have adult attention deficit. He’s on medication. I haven’t been on medication for years as the medication took away my appetitite to the point that I started having fainting spells in college. A lot of my friends thought I was anorexic. Just looking at food disgusted me unless I was having stomach cramps.

Anyway, I have to say that the majority of the time, our apartment is a mess and we both hate it. We both have melancholic temperments. We love order and perfection. I feel like my life is a perfectionist’s nightmare. You clean and clearn and clearn and you finally feel accomplished and then discover that the rooms you thought were clean are now a mess. The mess just follows you around because there is a part of you that is completely obilvious to it. I look for something and absent mindedly set something I’m holding down. The next thing I know, I realize I’m no longer holding that previous object and have no idea where it went. So then I’m like “Which do I now look for?” I have limited time to make a decision because in that second I can forget one of my tasks, and that’s usually how I forget about what other tasks I need to get done and how I have a million incomplete projects.

It doesn’t mean I’m incompetent. It doesn’t even mean that my main vice is sloth. I suppose I’m thankful that it effects me mostly in my home environment and that at school and at the workplace, it doesn’t interfere too much. I am aware that I’m intelligent enough that if I didn’t have attention deficit, I’d have greater potential. My grades in college would have been higher. I probably would have graduated with high honors. Maybe I’d shine a little brighter at work if I didn’t have attention deficit. I have my coping mechanisms and until recently I didn’t realize how much it effected me at home so I’ve never focused on it. I just confessed laziness a lot. I’m hoping that if I focus on implimenting and sticking with some of the strategies I’ve got I’ll maybe be a better role model for my daughter and the place will be a little cleaner.

I have no idea if your husband suffers with attention deficit. I know nagging doesn’t work with my husband. He doesn’t feel appreciated when I nag him. It helps a little that we both utilize the white board. When I want him to do something, I write it down for him and that makes him feel less nagged, but with the new apartment the whiteboard’s location isn’t as visible as it was in the old place. I have to constantly encourage him to use it and often I try to encourage him to write down anything he has done or is doing so that I can see it and acknowledge that he is contributing in a way I may not have initially noticed.

I thus would advise you to work on appreciating your husband and loving your husband as best you can. Come up with strategies together to help things work out between the two of you, but don’t build up resentment because he’s a flawed human being. Both of you have to work on your marriage. He has to be committed to doing his end in helping you out the best he can, but you also have to be committed to allowing him to be an imperfect human being.
 
I’ve been reminding myself of this (don’t know who to give credit for saying it):
Don’t Take Things Done Or Left Undone As A Mark Against Your Very Soul. Kiss Your Tiny Cross And Move On.
Wow, copying this one down and posting on the fridge as a reminder.
 
Well, I’m going to give you somewhat odd advice. I’m looking from the perspective of, firstly, a man, secondly, a person who has the same type of problem as your husband.

My room (I don’t own a house) is not a pigsty. There isn’t really filth unless visible dust or a 0-1 days old coffee cup counts as such. But there is little tidiness otherwise. You will find a Harvard Law Review article with marginal notes (in pencil), tossed on a history book lying on an air humidifier placed on top of a chair under which a psychology magazine fell a couple of days ago, not far away from a military style belt, a yard away from my desk, featuring a couple of such things as a tube of thermal compound and some other stuff used in tinkering with computer hardware, a photo camera with spare batteries and some medications (religious articles are in a state closer to order), some Lord of the Rings correspondence and a WWF postcard. This all gives the imaginary beholder, a cross-section view into my life and what kind of person I am, including messy. But there’s much more to it than messy (which is a fault), isn’t there? I suppose “messy” wouldn’t be the major focus after a while looking at those things and thinking about their owner. 😉

When I leave something somewhere, I expect it to be there. In fact, if it were to be relocated neatly, I would probably end up unable to find it, which could wreck my desperate, last-minute excuse of a plan or schedule. Even when it is an empty coffee cup, I do not leave it for anyone to pick it up. I expect to pick it up myself, just later or not at this time. I respect the sensibilities of the more orderly people but I’d be grateful if they’d understand me and not e.g. interrupt me in the middle of work or rest to remind me of, say, an empty cup I managed to forget about in the kitchen while leaving in a hurry or when the phone rang in the other room and then something else happened. (Just please ignore it or ask me to pick it up when you sense a moment I’m not busy or tired, and omit the lecture, and this will make me thankful and perhaps I’ll apologise or make a mental note or something.)

Also, frankly, my memory is limited in a number of ways, as is my attention span. I need to cut some things. For some things I simply don’t have enough time due to, yeah, deficient planning (e.g. I miscalculated the time left, looks like I have to be leaving right now, can’t clean up, I own the mess but I can’t clean it up right now). Sometimes my mind is in a different land when I have some particularly absorbing, abstract stuff to think about and it literally hurts physically from the mental tension. A stray empty cup or box or bottle may fall victim of that. I don’t intend to have anyone else clean it after me. I wouldn’t mind being asked to do some major cleaning in return for my transgressions. But I can’t reprogram my mind to appreciate the gravity of real-time tidying. I do believe that as long as the cups etc. are mine and I own up to them and the duty to clean or tidy them up at some point (especially if they are on “my turf”, where “my turf” doesn’t mean I deny it being part of a common space, it’s just that nobody else is really forced to keep order there), I am not doing anything objectively wrong in a major degree. I can’t help my brain forgetting the empty coffee cup due to regarding it as trivial next to some project at work or even some kind of non-work intellectual exploration I’ve just embarked on. This absolutely does not mean I disrespect any person who may have a problem with it or feel compelled to wash that cup I left (with or without addressing me about it). In fact, I’d probably brew and wash both cups if I had someone from family or friends around to keep me company with the coffee. 😉

Anyway, I guess it’s time for a summary of this longish narrative. Please resist crediting the messy person with leaving the mess for other people to clean. This isn’t necessary how a messy person thinks (although some may do). Please make room for such things as poor memory (long-term or short-term) or even the fact that someone with a poor memory isn’t really longing to train his or her memory painstakingly or try to reprogram his attention span, just for the purpose of no more failing to pick everything, always, fast enough, neat enough, especially considering that he or she may be attaching a different weight to maintaining constant orderliness. Sometimes, actually, I’m a little sad for people who put so much emphasis on bringing things to a perfect order. I really wish they could put it down for a while, sit down, get a coffee. Sometimes I try to teach them to. It can be heart-rending how they overwork themselves, denying themselves joy. You (the Opening Poster) don’t seem to be there but, anyway, please be careful. 🙂

(TBC)
 
Argh, I’m sorry to say this but I hadn’t read your Opening Post in full, I must have skimmed through some parts, being so eager to reply. :o I’ve only just noticed the part about the pocket knife and about his response to you (“you’re going to hate it anyway”). The part about pocket knife needs addressing. Dangerous objects just need to be handled safely. The response can’t be one thing to base a judgement on but it looks hostile and filled with resentment. There may be some bigger problem bottling up, even though “normal people” can be rude too when confronted with their shortcomings. It sounds out of character for him, from the way you describe him.

The rest of what I wanted to type was basically advice about being nonconfrontational and brief and avoiding accusation, just focusing on how things make you feel, explaining why they are important to you (or objectively) and why they can’t be left as they are, even though you would otherwise be fine with leaving him alone.

I hope you can still make some use of my previous post. Wouldn’t admit otherwise, but I’ve burnt three kettles dead while cooking water, and I almost caused a fire in my teen years. Family pressured, I realised the danger, I became more careful. It stays true I didn’t intentionally neglect safety, I was just a, well, negligent person, no matter how you put it, but not intentionally so. Anyway. Enough of this. 😉
 
Boy, I could have written that letter about my now ex-husband.

He was my heart, my soulmate, from the moment we met.

Sure,he hated doing dishes when I met him. No problem with that.

He didn’t mind taking care of the cats, for a while.

He took out the trash,at first.

Finally,after years, he stopped participating altogether, even stopped doing the things he loved.

He showed me all kinds of signs of depression after the first few years, and swore it was just a “dark cloud” and he would get over it. He didn’t.

I tried all the great responses above, from long conversations (where he promised to try),counseling (he didn’t see where there was a problem), check for medical issues, and I prayed constantly.If he chooses to not change,try, or comply with the needs of a family, there is little more you can do than accept that you will be one one taking care of everything or move on.(Sorry)
 
Wow. That was a downer.

My husband sounds a lot like OP’s: after a project is done, all the parts and tools are still laying around. Magazines pile up and linger perpetually. There’s a drift of used tissues on his side of the bed, surrounding the empty trashcan. Right now there are three or four boxes of car parts he’s putting on eBay in the kitchen.

But he’s my best friend, the father to my children, and my only confidante (the only one I’d want). We have three kids under four, so it’s not like our house in incredibly tidy anyway. And I’m guilty of a lot of project-piling myself (but it doesn’t bother me when I do it! 😛 ). There are lots of things that bug me about him, but I know I bug him too. So I tend to pick up the worst of it for him (like the bedside wastebasket). I know he’s capable of doing it, but it escapes his attention. He knows I can open doors by myself, but still opens them for me. For his projects I sometimes remind him, “Better put away whatever you don’t want kids playing with.” I cull out magazines every few months to toss any that are older than a year, and organize the rest.

If it starts to get on my nerves that “Hey, I’m already picking up after myself and three messmonsters,” I try to make a conscious effort to love him. I’m doing it because I love him, and my job is to take care of him as much as his is to take care of me. I say a prayer of gratitude for my messy, busy husband. There are some things I know will probably never change, but there are other things where I can depend on him for help keeping house. I get overwhelmed, but I know I can trust him to do laundry or dishes and take the trash to the curb if it needs done, without being asked. And he’ll help me with something when I do ask. Besides, he cleans the toilet every week, so for me it’s totally worth the tradeoff.

Try the conversation with your husband. “I’ve got my hands full here, and I would really appreciate if you tried a little harder to keep your stuff picked up.” And if it doesn’t get through, don’t get bitter or nag. If you must, take on the responsibility yourself as an act of charity for the Pour Souls and do it with joy.
 
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