Hymn Tune Propers

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Okay, so pretty much everyone agrees that the propers should be used, but since most parishes are either incapable of or unwilling to do Gregorian chant, this is a good alternative resource.

It’s the propers, slightly paraphrased, set to hymn tune meters (long meter in most cases). Tunes that could be used for them include LAMBILLOTTE, OLD HUNDREDTH, DUKE STREET, and ERHALT UNS, HERR.

Here’s an example for the introit of First Sunday in Advent:

To you, O Lord, I lift my soul
I trust in You, save me from shame.
Let not my foes boast over me.
Save those who trust in you from shame. or Protect the ones who trust your name.

These would be a good idea to gradually implement propers.

For comparison, here is the actual proper introit, with line breaks for easier comparison, courtesy of TheMc.

Unto you have I lifted up my soul.
O my God, I trust in you, let me not be put to shame;
do not allow my enemies to laugh at me;
for none of those who are awaiting you will be disappointed.
 
Great stuff, but I think if a parish won’t do propers as chant then they probably won’t do it the way you’ve linked to.

Have you noticed that when parishes sing Veni, Veni Emmanuel that it sounds like a dirge?
 
I_Thirst said:
Great stuff, but I think if a parish won’t do propers as chant then they probably won’t do it the way you’ve linked to.

Have you noticed that when parishes sing Veni, Veni Emmanuel that it sounds like a dirge?
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They might if they don’t know what these are. 🙂
 
I_Thirst said:
Great stuff, but I think if a parish won’t do propers as chant then they probably won’t do it the way you’ve linked to.
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I think many might be willing to, except that nobody is going to want to do just one verse of a hymn like this. It’s too short to cover a procession, and it would seem weird to cue everything up just to sing twenty-five seconds or so of music. If these could be spun out to maybe three verses with a doxology tacked on to the end, then one could imagine using them in place of the average hymn.
Have you noticed that when parishes sing Veni, Veni Emmanuel that it sounds like a dirge?
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Yes, playing music too slowly is a big problem at many parishes. Nothing worse than having to sing CRUCIFER or HYMN TO JOY at ♩= 65.
 
MarkThompson said:
If these could be spun out to maybe three verses with a doxology tacked on to the end, then one could imagine using them in place of the average hymn.
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Plans for psalm verses and doxology are in the works. In the meantime, they could be done using psalm tones.
 
MarkThompson said:
I think many might be willing to, except that nobody is going to want to do just one verse of a hymn like this. It’s too short to cover a procession, and it would seem weird to cue everything up just to sing twenty-five seconds or so of music. If these could be spun out to maybe three verses with a doxology tacked on to the end, then one could imagine using them in place of the average hymn.
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As I understand, they were intended to be used with the 1 verse of the “hymn” as the “antiphon”, then having the verses chanted between the “antiphon”. That’s why there’s only one hymn.
MarkThompson said:
Yes, playing music too slowly is a big problem at many parishes. Nothing worse than having to sing CRUCIFER or HYMN TO JOY at ♩= 65
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So true! We have an organist or two that consistently plays everything about 25 bpm too slowly, and it makes it hard to sing. But especially with Veni, Veni, it’s a chant, so it is meant to flow, and probably be sung faster than it would be if it were sung as hymn.
 
Update:

The first draft of these hymn tune propers has been produced for usage. Each antiphon is given in several formats:

    • Harmonization of the antiphon alone, and pointed psalm verses (not metered) to a psalm tone based on the hymn tune
    • Harmonization of the antiphon, with metric psalm verses, gloria patra (ie, a 4 verse hymn) (only for the introit)
    • Entire text both in latin and in english, pointed to the psalm verses
    Or put in a simpler way:
    • Metric antiphon, chanted verses
    • Metric antiphon and verses (only on the introit)
    • Chanted antiphon and verses
 
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