Hymnals: A Poll

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Elizium23 said:
I have told my director that we probably can’t use *Gather *for responsorial psalms because they do not match the lectionary, but neither him nor the pastor were sufficiently concerned to spend the money on the correct musical settings…
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so? why do the psalms need to be in the hymnal? If the people don’t sing, then they don’t sing.
 
jkarp said:
We’re using OCP’s Unidos en Cristo (and the accompanying Respond and Acclaim & Responde y Aclama for psalms & Gospel acclamations). Unidos en Cristo is an attempt at being a bilingual hymnal and missalette; I really don’t like it. What I find (as the music director) is that it ends up doing a disservice to all languages involved - English, Spanish, and Latin (which can barely be found). I didn’t have any choice in the selection as it had been made long before I started at this parish…
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anyways, the church said in multi-lingual gatherings, there should be latin, not a bi-lingual Mass.
 
GwenL said:
One of the first things our new rector did upon arrival was to get rid of the old hymnals (I think they were of the Gather variety) and install the Adoremus hymnal. He scrounged several hundred of these from one of the other parishes.
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how do you install a hymnal? is there instructions? Special prayers of instalation, kind of like the instalation of a bishop?
 
FatHead said:
anyways, the church said in multi-lingual gatherings, there should be latin, not a bi-lingual Mass.
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I completely agree; I’ve been arguing for this since I started (in February). I think that bilingual Masses end up being confusing, muddled affairs as the congregation doesn’t know which part of the Mass will be sung or recited in which language, etc. I also argue that it takes away from the congregation the parts of the Mass which belong to them when a foreign language is used: e.g. when the Gloria is in Spanish, the English speakers don’t get to participate; when the Sanctus is in English, the Spanish speakers don’t get to, etc. It seems that submitting to the wisdom of the Church would be the greatest advantage.
 
FatHead said:
so? why do the psalms need to be in the hymnal? If the people don’t sing, then they don’t sing.
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I’ve never used the hymnal for the Psalm. There are little paper programs on the pews and the Psalm is in there for everyone to follow. Not that those are really necessary either; usually if you listen to the cantor carefully, you can repeat it accurately.
 
brigid12 said:
Practically every parish uses an OCP hymnal here.
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It makes you wonder if there is a financial kick-back going on behind the scenes between OCP and high ranking clergy? I know this is happening in the US as to the poor translation of the bible that is mandated for parish use by the USCCB. The late Fr. Richard John Neuhaus viewed this as his penance as a convert.
 
elgar said:
It makes you wonder if there is a financial kick-back going on behind the scenes between OCP and high ranking clergy? I know this is happening in the US as to the poor translation of the bible that is mandated for parish use by the USCCB. The late Fr. Richard John Neuhaus viewed this as his penance as a convert.
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I’m not sure we could go so far as to say that it is some kind of conspiracy. The OCP/GIA hymnals do have good tunes in them, but choirs avoid them.🤷

I’m a convert, and your comment from Fr Neuhaus is consolation for my translation-troubled soul and my hymnal-harried heart.
 
FatHead said:
anyways, the church said in multi-lingual gatherings, there should be latin, not a bi-lingual Mass.
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I don’t recall the Church saying “there should not be bilingual masses.” Can you cite the relevant document?
 
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