Hymns still using the unspoken name

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For weeks now our musical director has continuously used songs that say the unspoken name. I assumed that perhaps she never heard about the new rules, but at the Newman Center meeting last thursday on campus, she had brought it up in a conversation.

But that next Sunday, the recessional hymn was “Sing a new song” with the name.

Is this a mandatory change? And if so, why does she continue to use the name? Should I mention it to someone?
 
While we discussed it at one of our staff meetings, and I gave the music director the documents, and she received the notice from OCP, on the Feast of Christ the King the choir sang Let the King of Glory Come with Yahweh in one of the verses. I went ballistic (something I never -sure- do at mass). When I called her on it she said she just scheduled the song she uses every year and didn’t even look at the words and by the time she realised it, it was too late, they were in the middle of the song. At the next mass she announced that they were changing the word Yahweh to Our God. It worked. So many it was just a mistake.
 
Joannm said:
While we discussed it at one of our staff meetings, and I gave the music director the documents, and she received the notice from OCP, on the Feast of Christ the King the choir sang Let the King of Glory Come with Yahweh in one of the verses. I went ballistic (something I never -sure- do at mass). When I called her on it she said she just scheduled the song she uses every year and didn’t even look at the words and by the time she realised it, it was too late, they were in the middle of the song. At the next mass she announced that they were changing the word Yahweh to Our God. It worked. So many it was just a mistake.
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This sounds like a common problem that could be easily solved by having a person in charge of the music. You could call them the “music director” and they could pick out the songs. [/sarcasm]
 
Joannm said:
While we discussed it at one of our staff meetings, and I gave the music director the documents, and she received the notice from OCP, on the Feast of Christ the King the choir sang Let the King of Glory Come with Yahweh in one of the verses. I went ballistic (something I never -sure- do at mass). When I called her on it she said she just scheduled the song she uses every year and didn’t even look at the words and by the time she realised it, it was too late, they were in the middle of the song. At the next mass she announced that they were changing the word Yahweh to Our God. It worked. So many it was just a mistake.
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What I don’t understand is why they can’t replace Yahweh in the songs that say it.
 
reff said:
What I don’t understand is why they can’t replace Yahweh in the songs that say it.
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That is what they are doing. The hymnals were printed before the directive came out from Rome.
 
Joannm said:
That is what they are doing. The hymnals were printed before the directive came out from Rome.
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OCP should not use that excuse. The directive has been around for about eight years. It is found in Liturgiam Authenticam, which states:
c) in accordance with immemorial tradition, which indeed is already evident in the above-mentioned “Septuagint” version, the name of almighty God expressed by the Hebrew tetragrammaton (YHWH) and rendered in Latin by the word Dominus, is to be rendered into any given vernacular by a word equivalent in meaning.
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This same section was quoted in the letter that the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments sent back during late Summer 2008.

Given the fact that the publishing house has, unfortunately, played fast and loose with the musical settings for the Mass, especially in Spanish, I have my doubts that the staff ever read the document when it first came out eight years ago.
 
benedictgal said:
OCP should not use that excuse. The directive has been around for about eight years. It is found in Liturgiam Authenticam, which states:

This same section was quoted in the letter that the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments sent back during late Summer 2008.

Given the fact that the publishing house has, unfortunately, played fast and loose with the musical settings for the Mass, especially in Spanish, I have my doubts that the staff ever read the document when it first came out eight years ago.
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So should I bring it up to her next time I see her? Or should I just let it go and see if they come around.
 
reff said:
So should I bring it up to her next time I see her? Or should I just let it go and see if they come around.
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I would mention this to her as this is serious. Do so in a charitable manner. Directives from the Holy See need to be followed.
 
This happens in my parish as well. Our choir director often chooses hymns with Yayweh in it.

When I asked about it, I was asked a question in return:

“Is this truly a Salvation issue”?

I have been asked this many times, and have come to the realization that Asking questions is not a very welcomed thing to do.🤷
 
love4mary said:
This happens in my parish as well. Our choir director often chooses hymns with Yayweh in it.

When I asked about it, I was asked a question in return:

“Is this truly a Salvation issue”?

I have been asked this many times, and have come to the realization that Asking questions is not a very welcomed thing to do.🤷
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That is very sad because, ultimately, Christ gave the keys to St. Peter and his successors to bind and loosen in all matters. The Holy Father has issued a directive and this needs to be followed.

Music directors need to read the documents and realize that it is not about them, but, rather, ultimately, about the Church.
 
love4mary said:
When I asked about it, I was asked a question in return: “Is this truly a Salvation issue”?
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Ah, so they’ll obey the Church only in matters they perceive to pertain to salvation. Just like they’ll accept the Bible as only being true in matters they perceive to pertain to salvation. Then they define salvation!

I heard a priest say something like “with all that’s going on, I don’t know why the Church spends their time coming out with directives like this”, as if the Church is concentrating all its power and will and resources and energy (like the evil lidless eye of Sauron in “The Lord of the Rings”) into blotting the name of Yahweh out of our parishes!

This came from the Holy Father through the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. This sort of matter is what those congregations were made for! The Church didn’t forget about sin or poverty or slavery or other injustices while it churned this Instruction out.
 
I don’t grasp what’s wrong with it…the words was used in the old testament. However, any songs with the word “Yaweh” are no longer in my reproitore for mass. It’s that simple.
 
Well, first of all, we don’t know for certain sure that “Yahweh” is the correct pronunciation of YHWH.

Second, YHWH was actually supposed to be pronounced Adonai (Lord). Whenever you saw that Name, you verbally replaced it with the word “Lord”, so as not to take God’s Name in vain.

Down the ages, Christians followed the practice of the patriarchs and printed “LORD” or “Lord”. Thus, we too verbally replaced YHWH with “Lord”, so as not to take God’s name in vain.

When the Enlightenment came along, one of the ways they showed that they were more enlightened than those superstitious Catholics and Jews was to print the Name YHWH, generally spelling it Jehovah or Jahveh.

“Jehovah” turned out to be probably the wrong vowel-ification of YHWH. So everybody jumped on the Yahweh bandwagon instead.

But the Vatican has gotten sick and tired of us doing stuff that past Christians and Jews would never do, so now we aren’t going to be flinging God’s Name around helter-skelter anymore. We don’t have to get paranoid about it, but it’s rude as well as contrary to the spirit of the Commandments.
 
Phemie said:
And then you couldn’t quite figure out when we started to sing about him? 😃
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Wouldn’t Sauron be more appropriate 🙂 ?:​

Sau-ron, we lo-ove you, we worship and adore you
Glorify your name in all the earth;
Glorify your name, glorify your name
Glorify your name in all the earth

Or:

At the name of Sauron
Every knee shall bow…

Or:

How firm a foundation, ye orcs of your Lord
Is laid for your faith in his excellent word…

All of these are easily learned, the words & tunes are simple & memorable, they need almost no alterations, &, most of all, the hymns on which these lines are based are already familiar to many. 🙂
 
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