"Hyper Ecumenism"

[DeFide]

Orionthehunter:

It is about how best to effectively communicate and dialogue in an ecumenical situation without watering down the faith.

I have a suggestion. If we feel like engaging in ecumenical dialog, cut and paste directly from Church documents, and even then, be prepared to explain the ambiguous tip-toe language so as to reconcile it with existing magisterial teachings.

My personal view is that ecumenism is best done one conversion at a time.

 

[doomhammer]

Orionthehunter:

This is not a thread about orthodoxy or worthiness to recieve the Eucharist (the context of your quote above). It is about how best to effectively communicate and dialogue in an ecumenical situation without watering down the faith.

I’m sorry, but i don’t understand what the “Ineffabilis Deus” has to do with “worthiness to receive the Eucharist”. It is simply stated that anyone who rejects a dogma is outside the Church.
I don’t understand who the family is. Is the Church? Well, heretics are out, not inside.
“It firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart “into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels” [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
It is quite clear that the only possible “ecumenism” is to convert to Catholicism.

 

[Orionthehunter]

doomhammer:

I’m sorry, but i don’t understand what the “Ineffabilis Deus” has to do with “worthiness to receive the Eucharist”. It is simply stated that anyone who rejects a dogma is outside the Church.
I don’t understand who the family is. Is the Church? Well, heretics are out, not inside.
“It firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart “into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels” [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
It is quite clear that the only possible “ecumenism” is to convert to Catholicism.

The Magisterium as detailed in the Catechism has a different view. Furthermore, judgement of souls is the sole perogative of Jesus Christ. To tread on the authority of God is the Sin of Presumption.

 

[doomhammer]

Orionthehunter:

The Magisterium as detailed in the Catechism has a different view. Furthermore, judgement of souls is the sole perogative of Jesus Christ. To tread on the authority of God is the Sin of Presumption.

Well, I believe you are not against the Council of Florence (1438-1445) and the Bull “Cantate Domino”, February 4, 1441, that I quoted before. And of course you are not accusing the pope Eugene IV of “treading on the authority of God”, “sin of presumption”, etc, etc….