Hypnotist as Catholic High School entertainment

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Not sure what thread this belongs in but, our Catholic High School has, in the past, hired a hypnotist as after-prom entertainment and are considering doing it again . Apparently it was ‘good clean fun’ and the kids loved it, and the guy did nothing to embarrass the kids, etc.

Has anyone else experienced this? From what I’ve researched, even though there isn’t any official Church teaching on hypnosis, most things I’ve read have said if you’re not doing it for medicinal/therapeutic purposes the recommendation is to avoid it. Can anyone share any further thoughts, experiences, or helpful documents from ‘trusted Catholic courses’ on this specific topic that may be helpful.
 
“Jesus Christ Bearer of the Water of Life - A Christian Reflection on the New Age” actually does warn against hypnosis in Section 4 but it doesn’t refer specifically to the practice of stage hypnotism. The document can be found on the Vatican website.
 
I don’t believe that hypnotism is the devils work, but is not for entertainment either. It is a valuable tool if properly used in medicine or in phycology by trained professionals.
 
They had a stage hypnotist at my high school graduation party. I remember it being entertaining and as far as I know, it didn’t have any negative spiritual effects. I’ve also seen one at a First Night celebration and managed again to escape demonic influence. I honestly never even gave a second thought to it until I saw this thread.
 
I was in the audience for a stage/entertainment hypnotism once, in college. It was loads of fun. 🙂

It’s like anything else: if you use it for evil purposes, it’s evil. If you worship a Mason jar, and and use it in an attempt to conjure demons, then you can say the Mason jar is evil. 🤷

I don’t believe that any particular object (tarot cards, ouija boards, yoga, hypnotism, astral projection, etc. ) is evil in and of itself.
 
This is of course only anecdotal, but when I was in high school, my mentor was a very devout and knowledgeable catholic, in addition to being my teacher. For the after prom party my junior year, there was a mentalist who performed. This teacher was upset, because the entertainment for the night was essentially a psychic and she felt like that conflicted with her faith, so she refused to chaperone. My senior year, the after prom party was a hypnotist, at that teacher’s insistence. She felt that it was far more appropriate for students and for herself.
 
Hypnotism has nothing to do with the occult. It is a valuable tool for various therapies. No one can harm you through hypnosis unless you let them. You can not be made to do something while under, that you would not normally do. People who get hypnotized to stop smoking, if they don’t really want to stop, are not going to stop. Also people with certain issues can’t be hypnotized at all. ( People who are bi-polar, have schizophrenia, and sociopaths /psychopaths usually land in here. It’s a trust thing.)

Mentalists by the by, usually also have nothing to do with the occult. They are the old timie tonic salesmen from the old west types. (Cures whatever ails ya.) It’s mostly parlors tricks with them.

Ouija boards are not toys. Do not treat them as such.

Tarot cards are where your average deck of playing cards came from. They and crystal balls are inanimate objects, pretty to look at fun to design, but they can’t do anything. It’s the person using, or misusing them that does anything.

Peace and Many Blessings.:harp:
 
Hypnotism has nothing to do with the occult. It is a valuable tool for various therapies. No one can harm you through hypnosis unless you let them…
Still, your mental state is not something to let your friends play with for giggles. After all, bad friends can’t “make you” do anything, but that doesn’t mean they don’t make you more vulnerable to very bad suggestions.

Most things that can be used as a therapy can be misused for the wrong reasons, after all.
 
I find it inconceivable that one could be hypnotised in a public place with a large audience. Presumable the lot is play acting?
 
I find it inconceivable that one could be hypnotised in a public place with a large audience. Presumable the lot is play acting?
Nope. Seen it done. Also have seen documentaries on it and have read about it.

Hypnotism is essentially a meditative/relaxed state where for some people the power of suggestion is increased.

For many (most?) people, this can be accomplished to varying degrees even without a meditative state. For example, there are studies showing that you can show someone a movie, and then comment on the movie, adding material that was not there in your comments - and people will remember the material that wasn’t there.

This is part of the reason why witnesses can be unreliable, the accused can confess to things they didn’t do, etc.
 
It’s not demonic powers or anything. It’s psychology, like how Las Vegas magicians make tigers disappear: it’s just an illusion.
 

Has anyone else experienced this? From what I’ve researched, even though there isn’t any official Church teaching on hypnosis, most things I’ve read have said if you’re not doing it for medicinal/therapeutic purposes the recommendation is to avoid it. Can anyone share any further thoughts, experiences, or helpful documents from ‘trusted Catholic courses’ on this specific topic that may be helpful.
“hypnotism” is just guided relaxation. On stage, silly people act silly, sour pusses simply pout and are then gently shooed off stage. There isn’t anything inherent about hypnotism that touches on faith or morals.
 
It’s not demonic powers or anything. It’s psychology, like how Las Vegas magicians make tigers disappear: it’s just an illusion.
Yes, it is just a psychological effect, a manipulation of the mind achieved by purely natural means, but it does have a measurable effect on the brain and it does leave the subject more vulnerable than usual to outside suggestion. It is a little more invasive than appearing to have someone sawed in half, but it pretty much puts you in a state where you will allow yourself to be guided to do or experience something. I would not go so far as to say it ought to be forbidden, but certainly the person doing it ought to be worthy of trust. You need to know they will put the subject’s best interest ahead of entertaining the onlookers. I mean that I think we’ve all been “talked into doing something” by a friend and wished later that the person egging us on had not added their bad judgment to our own!! This is like that, only more so, as we are more suggestible than usual.

"*While hypnosis is often described as a sleep-like trance state, it is better expressed as a state characterized by focused attention, heightened suggestibility and vivid fantasies…The experience of hypnosis can vary dramatically from one person to another. Some hypnotized individuals report feeling a sense of detachment or extreme relaxation during the hypnotic state, while others even feel that their actions seem to occur outside of their conscious volition. Other individuals may remain fully aware and able to carry out conversations while under hypnosis.

Experiments by researcher Ernest Hilgard demonstrated how hypnosis can be used to dramatically alter perceptions. After instructing a hypnotized individual to not feel pain in his or her arm, the participant’s arm was then placed in ice water. While non-hypnotized individuals had to remove their arm from the water after a few seconds due to the pain, the hypnotized individuals were able to leave their arms in the ice water for several minutes without experiencing pain*…" psychology.about.com/od/statesofconsciousness/a/hypnosis.htm

If the subject is willing, hypnosis has a real effect on the brain. It does not rob the person of their free will, but it does make them more suggestible than they usually would be. Caveat emptor.
 
Yes we’ve all been talked into doing something by our friends. Truthfully it never takes as much arm twisting as we’d like to think it does. Hypnosis however is not a buddy trying to get us to go along with them so they’re not thee only ones getting into trouble. Hypnosis is a state of semi-consciousnesses, you can’t really get there if you don’t really trust the person doing it. Also, you will never do something because of being hypnotized that you would never do elsewise. If you are not the type to do so, you will not run around naked, jumping on one leg, squawking like a chicken, it ain’t going to happen. You can’t be given a suggestion to kill someone, or steal, or commit any crime unless you are a criminal. Would you like me to go pull my psychology books out of storage just so I can quote them for you? (I have a little piece of parchment that says, yes I do know what I’m talking about here.) Peace.:harp:
 
Yes we’ve all been talked into doing something by our friends. Truthfully it never takes as much arm twisting as we’d like to think it does. Hypnosis however is not a buddy trying to get us to go along with them so they’re not thee only ones getting into trouble. Hypnosis is a state of semi-consciousnesses, you can’t really get there if you don’t really trust the person doing it. Also, you will never do something because of being hypnotized that you would never do elsewise. If you are not the type to do so, you will not run around naked, jumping on one leg, squawking like a chicken, it ain’t going to happen. You can’t be given a suggestion to kill someone, or steal, or commit any crime unless you are a criminal. Would you like me to go pull my psychology books out of storage just so I can quote them for you? (I have a little piece of parchment that says, yes I do know what I’m talking about here.) Peace.:harp:
My thinking is that for some teens, “hey, wouldn’t it be really cool if…” can be “suggestion” enough. It isn’t as if that is an age where the brain’s common-sense wiring is fully functional! Not that teens have no common sense; I mean these are once of the stretches of years when common sense goes at a low ebb for a substantial number of us. It only takes one, besides.

A very amusing story about the temptation to show off while being “mesmerized” was written by Mark Twain, BTW. It is hilarious. Not surprisingly, when young Samuel Clemens was the “subject”, he was lying through his teeth! Take the time to read the whole thing sometime when you are in the mood to split your sides.

trussvillecityschools.com/Teachers/Leslie.Terrell/General%20English%2011/The%20Mesmerizer%20PDF.pdf

Here is the very painful upshot of his crime (so you have that spoiler alert, this is the end of the story, about when he discussed the incidents with his mother. Don’t read it if you don’t want to know how his time being “mesmerized” ended!)

*…It is curious. When the magicians engagement closed there was but one person in the village who did not believe in mesmerism, and I was the one. All the others were converted, but I was to remain an implacable and unpersuadable disbeliever in mesmerism and hypnotism for close upon fifty years. This was because I never would examine them, in after life. I couldnt. The subject revolted me. Perhaps because it brought back to me a passage in my life which for prides sake I wished to forget; though I thought -- or persuaded myself I thought -- I should never come across a "proof" which wasnt thin and cheap, and probably had a fraud like me behind it…

How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again! Thirty-five years after those evil exploits of mine I visited my old mother, whom I had not seen for ten years; and being moved by what seemed to me a rather noble and perhaps heroic impulse, I thought I would humble myself and confess my ancient fault. It cost me a great effort to make up my mind; I dreaded the sorrow that would rise in her face, and the shame that would look out of her eyes; but after long and troubled reflection, the sacrifice seemed due and right, and I gathered my resolution together and made the confession.

To my astonishment there were no sentimentalities, no dramatics, no George Washington effects; she was not moved in the least degree; she simply did not believe me, and said so! I was not merely disappointed, I was nettled, to have my costly truthfulness flung out of the market in this placid and confident way when I was expecting to get a profit out of it. I asserted, and reasserted, with rising heat, my statement that every single thing I had done on those long-vanished nights was a lie and a swindle; and when she shook her head tranquilly and said she knew better, I put up my hand and swore to it – adding a triumphant “Now what do you say?”

It did not affect her at all; it did not budge her the fraction of an inch from her position. If this was hard for me to endure, it did not begin with the blister she put upon the raw when she began to put my sworn oath out of court with arguments to prove that I was under a delusion and did not know what I was talking about…

Dear, dear, what a grotesque and unthinkable situation: a confessed swindler convicted of honesty and condemned to acquittal by circumstantial evidence furnished by the swindled! I realized, with shame and with impotent vexation, that I was defeated all along the line. I had but one card left, but it was a formidable one. I played it – and stood from under. It seemed ignoble to demolish her fortress, after she had defended it so valiantly; but the defeated know not mercy. I played that master card. It was the pin-sticking. I said, solemnly – “I give you my honor, a pin was never stuck into me without causing me cruel pain.”

She only said – “It is thirty-five years. I believe you do think that, now, but I was there, and I know better. You never winced.” She was so calm! and I was so far from it, so nearly frantic.

“Oh, my goodness!” I said, “let me show you that I am speaking the truth. Here is my arm; drive a pin into it-- drive it to the head – I shall not wince.”

She only shook her gray head and said, with simplicity and conviction – “You are a man, now, and could dissemble the hurt; but you were only a child then, and could not have done it.”

And so the lie which I played upon her in my youth remained with her as an unchallengeable truth to the day of her death. Carlyle said “a lie cannot live.” It shows that he did not know how to tell them. If I had taken out a life policy on this one the premiums would have bankrupted me ages ago. *
 
Still, your mental state is not something to let your friends play with for giggles.
This. 👍

Also, in the EWTN article on hypnotism it states:

“There is of course nothing wrong in itself with the practice of hypnotism, and therefore
under certain conditions its use would be licit. Since hypnotism, however, violently
deprives the subject of the full use of reason and free will, a justifying cause is required
for allowing it to be practiced. Hypnotism may be licitly used provided three
conditions are verified: (1) there is present a grave reason, (2) the consent of the subject
is obtained, and (3) due precautions are observed.”


Near the end of the article, it also states:

“Several documents of the Holy See set down the norms to be
followed in the use of hypnotism”
(The Holy Office, August 4, 1956; July 26, 1899).

So it seems there are norms, which I’m assuming are the 3 conditions I quoted above.
 
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