Hypocrisy and Right vs. Left Wing

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You’ve been around long enough to kow what he says is true.
Thanks. I fixed my response. I thought his list was his prediction of how you were, not what would be said. I think his prediction will be false, then, primarily be cause he stated it already. Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle applies here to, I reckon.
 
Isn’t it funny how people who pay no or low taxes, consider themselves holier than the people who work and earn the money? How they look down on those who pull the load, and never accept responsibility to pull their share?
So you consider low-income work to be worthless? If their labour is useless, of no economic necessity, then why do they have jobs in the first place? Who’s going to do them if everyone upskills and gets promoted? (with that you’ll accuse me of trying to keep the poor down etc :sleep: ) Keep in mind the statement about tax is for your country. Every worker in mine pays at least 20%, not including GST.
 
Low income work is not worthless. All work is vital and one can serve God with any labor. However, if one is not paying any taxes then that one is not contributing to society with anything material. He works and is compensated for that work. Even the widow tossed in her mite.
 
So you consider low-income work to be worthless? If their labour is useless, of no economic necessity, then why do they have jobs in the first place? Who’s going to do them if everyone upskills and gets promoted? (with that you’ll accuse me of trying to keep the poor down etc :sleep: ) Keep in mind the statement about tax is for your country. Every worker in mine pays at least 20%, not including GST.
If you’re going to tell me what I think, please have the courtesy to wear a turban and gaze into a crystal ball as you do it.😛

I think that people who are not working up to their full potential are not pulling their share of the load.

Do you disagree?😉
 
First Vern pointed out-

Then Estesbob added-

So Vern put this out-

Now they’re sitting back gettin ready to get http://bestsmileys.com/shooting1/11.gif

Cause alooooooot folks don’t wanna hear that.

I’m gonna predict the following responses-

A. Vern and Estes don’t care about the little guy

B. The rich don’t pay enough as it is, because they cheat, rob from the working guy, so they need to get what’s coming to them.

C. They got theirs, and not worried about helping out their fellow man

D. The reason we have people in the service industries because rich folks keep them there. They gotta have folks flip the bugers for them, cut their grass, wash their cars, and clean their big houses.

And the list goes on.

Funny, how in one party’s economic formula I go from middle class to rich, and their tax policy has ME squarely in their sites, because if they get elected not renew the Bush tax cuts, and cost me about 2500 dollars in extra taxes, and the sad thing about that is, lot of folks will stand up and cheer when I gotta write that check.
Aw nuts, you took all my arguments! Seriously, do you three just read the book on being stereotypes or what? It’s like reading the textbook definition of the anti-intellectual southern. Boy the Captains of Industry did that snow job so well, you are still, low more than 100 years later touting the same phrases they made up to keep you in place, Up by the bootstraps, rugged individualism, protestant work ethic. and a host of others. I know that you honestly believe it as well. Such is the poor state of most of our educational systems in the country. You have been duped gentlemen by the very people you so ardently defend. They laugh at how you do their propaganda work for them.
 
Actually, nearly half of workers don’t pay income tax.

And most couch potato Catholics I know fall into that category – they aren’t willing to put in the sweat and time to make more and pull their share of the load.
I’ve actually pondered this for awhile and I follow the reasoning on either secular or religious grounds. Low income workers may be exempt from income tax, but when you look at all taxes (payroll taxes, fees, sales taxes, etc.) they pay the highest percentage of their income in tax of any group.

Not only are the poorest working Americans the most highly taxed, they also give the largest percentage of their income to charity. Since one cannot be truly Catholic without being Christian, this should not surprise us. We are all called to be poor in spirit.

Our Savior repeatedly warned us of the perils of service to our own wealth and comfort - the ease with which we can drop into the idolatry of things. Our faith takes this seriously, which is why our religious priests take a vow of poverty. Many of our ministries also focus on service to the poorest and weakest of God’s children, as Jesus instructed.

So, the very concept of a direct connection between income and material weath and virtue is distinctly non-Catholic. As is, of course, the concept of declaring oneself morally superior to other Catholics.

From a secular/societal point of view the concept seems silly as well. I’ve actually heard someone point to a Major League baseball player, who came from extreme poverty, and claim that it was evidence that opportunity was there for everyone and that only lazyness keeps one in poverty. Aside from the fact that there are only about 750-800 openings in the the MLB at a time, and genetics is the largest factor in one’s athletic performance, the argument is highly hypocritical.

Huge numbers of upper and middle class Americans are born at 2nd or 3rd. If they stay there all their lives, or even lose a little ground we do not routinely call them lazy or worthless. Yet, those same people have no difficulty jeering and waggling their fingers when someone else has to start at home plate but fails to hit a home run.

It is a side effect of what we are warned about in our Faith. Once one substitutes material well being with true virtue and worth, one wants to rationalize one’s own self-perceived superiority. So disparities in the ‘race’, obstacles beyond human control, etc. are diminished and ignored…
Isn’t it funny how people who pay no or low taxes, consider themselves holier than the people who work and earn the money? How they look down on those who pull the load, and never accept responsibility to pull their share?
What I find interesting is that, having proposed an ideology that is seemingly at odds with Christianity, it is still not clear if you truly believe it or if it is just a rationalization.

I pay income taxes each year that are well into six figures. Supposedly, this now puts me into the top one percentile of earners in the US. As it happens, I did spend my earliest childhood in a house with no indoor plumbing, in large part because my father would not lie about being Catholic.

Using your logic, my current socio economic position would be a reflection of my virtue. The gap between my position and, say, yours, simply reflects things like my (superior?) work ethic…

Actually, if we were to apply some of your past arguments, we would have to go further and say that my position is also an indication of my ‘higher value’ to society, so it is appropriate for society to gear itself towards my benefit (which it actually now does, as a percentage of income my taxation lower than most Americans).

Personally, I think that is utter hogwash. I’ve simply been fortunate and, if anything, it means that I have the greater obligation to society, not vice versa. But I’d still be curious about what you really believe. It is one thing to apply a line of reasoning when it presents oneself as superior to say “couch potato Catholics”, but another to stick with it when it means declaring oneself inferior to others.
 
Isn’t it funny how people who pay no or low taxes, consider themselves holier than the people who work and earn the money? How they look down on those who pull the load, and never accept responsibility to pull their share?
And vern your are just dying to be the one who decides who isn’t paying enough. You sound like my father, I swear. He was angry all the time and everyone else who didn’t do their share. I know the type all too well. Never was nothing worth learnin that couldn’t be learned by 8th grade!
 
And vern your are just dying to be the one who decides who isn’t paying enough. You sound like my father, I swear. He was angry all the time and everyone else who didn’t do their share. I know the type all too well. Never was nothing worth learnin that couldn’t be learned by 8th grade!
You’ve confused me with a Democrat – that is, someone who wants someone else to carry the load.😛

No, I carry my share of the load, but wish some others would help – just a little.😉
 
You’ve confused me with a Democrat – that is, someone who wants someone else to carry the load.😛

No, I carry my share of the load, but wish some others would help – just a little.😉
!!WARNING WILL ROBINSON!! Republican driven Forced slavery and abortion in Guam will son rear its ugly head again.
 
Actually I believethe genal view expressed in these forums is that Social justice involves showing compassion with others people’s money.
Exactly!!

“I’m a saint. See how generous I am with other people’s money?”😛
 
Is anyone going to respond to SoCalRC? Or will you ignore that post which expresses much cerebration and critical thinking.
 
Is anyone going to respond to SoCalRC? Or will you ignore that post which expresses much cerebration and critical thinking.
Most people quit reading his posts a long time ago. It does not suprise me that you think they express crtitical thinking.
 
Aw nuts, you took all my arguments! Seriously, do you three just read the book on being stereotypes or what? It’s like reading the textbook definition of the anti-intellectual southern. Boy the Captains of Industry did that snow job so well, you are still, low more than 100 years later touting the same phrases they made up to keep you in place, Up by the bootstraps, rugged individualism, protestant work ethic. and a host of others. I know that you honestly believe it as well. Such is the poor state of most of our educational systems in the country. You have been duped gentlemen by the very people you so ardently defend. They laugh at how you do their propaganda work for them.
And this form of thinking is so engrained that the only thing that he’ll see is the “jab” at the South. One would have better luck finding the other side of a mobeous strip.
 
Is anyone going to respond to SoCalRC? Or will you ignore that post which expresses much cerebration and critical thinking.
Those who disagree with him can’t respond, so they don’t bother. They’ve had their clocks cleaned too thoroughly by him.
 
Is anyone going to respond to SoCalRC? Or will you ignore that post which expresses much cerebration and critical thinking.
He lost me when he said the poorest working Americans were the most highly taxed.
 
He lost me when he said the poorest working Americans were the most highly taxed.
Nice try.

That’s not what he said. He said that, as a percentage of income, the poor pay the highest percentage of their income in taxes. As a group, the poor pay the least, but individually, what they do pay is the largest percentage of income compared to all others. As a group the rich do pay the most, but individually, what they pay is the smallest percentage of income compared to all others…regardless of the fact that the rich benefit the most by being members of our society.
 
Nice try.

That’s not what he said. He said that, as a percentage of income, the poor pay the highest percentage of their income in taxes. As a group, the poor pay the least, but individually, what they do pay is the largest percentage of income compared to all others. As a group the rich do pay the most, but individually, what they pay is the smallest percentage of income compared to all others…regardless of the fact that the rich benefit the most by being members of our society.
Ony if you ignore the EIC, child credit, food stamps and medicaid.
 
A fact few people aret aware of. The problem is not that the rich dont pay enough-the problem is that 48% dont pay anything
You’re sounding like a broken record. The tax code is fair for those who are struggling to get by on lower incomes. I really wish you would stop your mantra because you make it sound like that 48% is doing something illegal or immoral. When they make enough beyond the builtin deductions and credits they will pay taxes. Until then stop whining.
 
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