Hypocrisy and Right vs. Left Wing

[Nickkname]

I wish, even if it is just a wish, for a Catholic candidate for the presidency that will adhere to the teachings of the Church. I hate it when people say they’re Catholic but support abortion, or support genocide, or support stealing from the poor and needy, or support contraceptions, or support other such un-Christian things.

I also wish I could start a Catholic Party, a political party that would adhere to the Church. I think the candidate of this party would win the election and become President. And I have some of the party figured out too: the colors would be white and gold, the funding would come from fund raising (such as selling t-shirts), and the party symbol would be a strong yet gentle lion.

 

[goofyjim]

Where did that come from? I agree - no one should call another a Nazi, unless they really are, of course.

If this reply was to my post just previous, I was pointing out that you made a “big assumption” about “conservatives doing such things” as making “big assumptions” about liberals. Do you not understand what irony is?

No it was in a whole other thread concerning a different topic but accused anyone left leaning of just being Nazis or Communists.

 

[rlg94086]

No it was in a whole other thread concerning a different topic but accused anyone left leaning of just being Nazis or Communists.

Oh. Okay…next time, please provide a link to the thread so people know what you are talking about. Otherwise, your post makes it look like you have Tourette Syndrome.

 

[goofyjim]

Oh. Okay…next time, please provide a link to the thread so people know what you are talking about. Otherwise, your post makes it look like you have Tourette Syndrome.

I grow tired of providing links. My simple belief is that the right and left are afraid to own up to the hypocrisy coming from their repsective sides. And it does come from both sides.

 

[rlg94086]

I grow tired of providing links. My simple belief is that the right and left are afraid to own up to the hypocrisy coming from their repsective sides. And it does come from both sides.

Then please refrain from posting something referring to another thread. It is nonsensical. We are not mindreaders.

 

[goofyjim]

Then please refrain from posting something referring to another thread. It is nonsensical. We are not mindreaders.

I shouldn’t need to provide a link unless making a case against a specific person. Since the idea I was presenting happens more than once it would be theoretically impossible to go back and provide every link. I am allowed to state my opinion just like anyone else here. And that opinion is that hypocrisy comes form both the right and the left.

 

[rlg94086]

I shouldn’t need to provide a link unless making a case against a specific person. Since the idea I was presenting happens more than once it would be theoretically impossible to go back and provide every link. I am allowed to state my opinion just like anyone else here. And that opinion is that hypocrisy comes form both the right and the left.

You are right, and I am wrong. There is absolutely no reason that I should expect your posts to make any sense at all. I will refrain from making further judgments on the inanity of your posts.

 

[goofyjim]

You are right, and I am wrong. There is absolutely no reason that I should expect your posts to make any sense at all. I will refrain from making further judgments on the inanity of your posts.

That is a personal attack but I will refrain from reporting it to the moderators. My posts are no more inane than all the others here.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

I grow tired of providing links. My simple belief is that the right and left are afraid to own up to the hypocrisy coming from their repsective sides. And it does come from both sides.

Interesting, isn’t it? The rightists on this board have free reign to do whatever they want and when they are called on it, the caller is accused of ad hominems and attacks, but when a rightist mocks posters, it’s all good and he can tell you you’re being immature.

A rightist can make all sorts of absurd claims and it’s believed with little question but anyone who provides a separate point of view are expected to provide a bibliography and a note from God to confirm their point of view.

Yeah, no hypocrisy there.

 

[rlg94086]

Interesting, isn’t it? The rightists on this board have free reign to do whatever they want and when they are called on it, the caller is accused of ad hominems and attacks, but when a rightist mocks posters, it’s all good and he can tell you you’re being immature.

A rightist can make all sorts of absurd claims and it’s believed with little question but anyone who provides a separate point of view are expected to provide a bibliography and a note from God to confirm their point of view.

Yeah, no hypocrisy there.

The only reason I requested a link, is because goofyjim’s reference to calling people Nazi was out of the blue and seemed to be in response to something.

He admitted that it was in response to another thread. Is it that hypocritical to ask for a link to a thread you are responding to??? Get a grip guys.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Interesting, isn’t it? The rightists on this board have free reign to do whatever they want

“Reign” is what a king does. When you refer to those leather straps used to steer horses, it’s spelled “rein.”

 

[SoCalRC]

You are right, and I am wrong. There is absolutely no reason that I should expect your posts to make any sense at all. I will refrain from making further judgments on the inanity of your posts.

"To avoid rash judgment, everyone should be careful to interpret insofar as possible his neighbor’s thoughts, words, and deeds in a favorable way:

<<Every good Christian ought to be more ready to give a favorable interpretation to another’s statement than to condemn it. But if he cannot do so, let him ask how the other understands it. And if the latter understands it badly, let the former correct him with love. If that does not suffice, let the Christian try all suitable ways to bring the other to a correct interpretation so that he may be saved.>> (St. Ignatius of Loyola, Spiritual Exercises, 22)" - CCC 2478

“Boasting or bragging is an offense against truth. So is irony aimed at disparaging someone by maliciously caricaturing some aspect of his behavior.” - CCC 2481

“We are called to act with justice,
we are called to love tenderly,
we are called to serve one another;
to walk humbly with God!” - Refrain from “We Are Called”, used in the Archiocese of Los Angeles for Ascension Sunday yesterday

This is supposedly a Catholic Forum. But I’ve concluded that I can find better lessons on the Faith on ESPN:

sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/columns/story?columnist=hays_graham&id=3372631

For the record, CCC 2478 is now a struggle for me as well. Many voices here sound like the Pharisee to my ears which, of course, makes me the Pharisee as well - not the Publican I am supposed to emulate.

But that has always been my message and following God is supposed to be hard. Redefining the faith to match what comes easy to us is human nature, but I, like everyone else, must try to resist. Failures, even repeated ones, is not an excuse to stop trying.

 

[rlg94086]

This is supposedly a Catholic Forum. But I’ve concluded that I can find better lessons on the Faith on ESPN:

sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/columns/story?columnist=hays_graham&id=3372631

For the record, CCC 2478 is now a struggle for me as well. Many voices here sound like the Pharisee to my ears which, of course, makes me the Pharisee as well - not the Publican I am supposed to emulate.

But that has always been my message and following God is supposed to be hard. Redefining the faith to match what comes easy to us is human nature, but I, like everyone else, must try to resist. Failures, even repeated ones, is not an excuse to stop trying.

Thank you for the admonishment. I apologize, and I will try to do better. My reaction was out of frustration, but as you point out, that does not make it right.

 

[SoCalRC]

Thank you for the admonishment. I apologize, and I will try to do better. My reaction was out of frustration, but as you point out, that does not make it right.

Please re-read carefully, I only meant to directly admonish myself. The only sin I can attest to is how I perceived your words (and those of others).

This has been my point all along. The intent of the words, like the intent of some political acts, is ultimately between the individual and God. Being, myself, unworthy, but still welcome at God’s table, who am I to judge?

But, each week I join the whole Church in praying for unity and peace. So if my comments, or the quotes, brought those prayers to the forefront in your heart in any way, I am grateful. But, emotional reactions notwithstanding, I have never perceived you to be a lesser child of God.

Peace

 

[rlg94086]

Please re-read carefully, I only meant to directly admonish myself. The only sin I can attest to is how I perceived your words (and those of others).

This has been my point all along. The intent of the words, like the intent of some political acts, is ultimately between the individual and God. Being, myself, unworthy, but still welcome at God’s table, who am I to judge?

But, each week I join the whole Church in praying for unity and peace. So if my comments, or the quotes, brought those prayers to the forefront in your heart in any way, I am grateful. But, emotional reactions notwithstanding, I have never perceived you to be a lesser child of God.

Peace

SoCalRC,

It certainly appeared to be an admonishment of me, along with an acknowledgement of your shortcomings. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have included the words “as well.”

SoCalRC:

This is supposedly a Catholic Forum. But I’ve concluded that I can find better lessons on the Faith on ESPN:

sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/colum…ham&id=3372631

For the record, CCC 2478 is now a struggle for me as well. Many voices here sound like the Pharisee to my ears which, of course, makes me the Pharisee as well - not the Publican I am supposed to emulate.

However, I will accept your statement that you did not wish to admonish me, and therefore I will now admonish you for not performing a Spiritual Work of Mercy by admonishing me. (I have no choice, lest I be a hypocrite ) I am very disappointed that you fell short in this instance.

 

[SoCalRC]

SoCalRC,

It certainly appeared to be an admonishment of me, along with an acknowledgement of your shortcomings. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have included the words “as well.”

The “as well” was a consequence of my attempting to be brief. I originally quoted myself previously confessing to having difficulty with CCC 2481, but then cut the reference, thinking that the CCC quote would be reminder enough for regulars. I failed to properly tweak the remaining paragraph. Sorry.

However, I will accept your statement that you did not wish to admonish me, and therefore I will now admonish you for not performing a Spiritual Work of Mercy by admonishing me. (I have no choice, lest I be a hypocrite ) I am very disappointed that you fell short in this instance.

Gratefully noted.

 

[Al_Masetti]

Actually, I did read all of it.

None of it is an accurate statement.

None of it is the truth, the WHOLE truth, and NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.

I mean it is Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid [they of the left, not the right] who currently are gutting the budget for cyber security and putting up bureaucratic obstructions … FISA and all that. It was the previous Democrat administrations (starting with the Carter administration) who cut the military by 1/3 and gutted the CIA and other intel agencies … and who set up the wall of separation … the famous Gorelick Wall that prevented us from stopping the 9/11 attacks. All of these “initiatives” are of liberal origin not conservative origin.

Gotta tell the TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH and NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.

P.S. George W. Bush is not a conservative, and neither was Ronald Reagan. But they came closer to being conservative than say … Bill or Jimmy.

The present President Bush has consistently supported tax cuts for all and been pro-life. And some other things. Far more than his predecessor or Jimmy Carter.

Without 60 votes, the conservatives cannot get their list of legislative initiatives put through.

There are many things that conservatives from different directions don’t agree on. But here are five things that conservatives DO agree on:

1. school choice. (Parents should control their children’s education)
2. personalize Social Security. (An end to “one size fits all”).
3. personalize health care. (An end to the Cuban/Canadian model.)
4. outsource government civil work. (Let the government sector benefit from the same economies as the private sector. Abolish government bureaucracies … the closest thing to eternal life in this dimension.)
5. transparency (post ALL government budgets to the internet. Let everyone see everything. THE STATES are already starting this one: Texas, Missouri, Alaska, S.C., OK, KS, UT and others have already started.)

Visit www.atr.org and www.fairtax.org and www.boortz.com

If you have a few dollars, buy “Conscience of a Conservative”.

Get your library to buy Alfred Regnery’s new book: “Upstream”

amazon.com/Upstream-Ascendance-Conservatism-Alfred-Regnery/dp/1416522883/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208171946&sr

Restore the Supreme Court to its Constitutional role. Read Mark Levin’s book “Men in Black” and Schlaffly’s book “The Supremacists”.

I did a search for “Gorelick” here on CAF … because there is yet another big gignormous scandal ever so slowly starting to emerge. The Fannie Mae/ Freddie Mac scandal. [But it’s a government scandal, so it might get covered up.]

These agencies faked their accounting results so that among other things, the agency leadership could get bigger bonuses and salaries.

And Jamie Gorleick, of the “Gorelick Wall” scandal, just happened to collect several million dollars from Fannie Mae.

What is with these pol-bureaucrats? They glide from scandal to scandal, below the radar, and never have to account for their actions.

Enron was a much smaller scandal and those guys were sent to prison (except for one who died from the stress).

But these government agency folks get away with it.

And you and I will have to pay … not billions but hundreds of billions and trillions to bail them out. With higher and higher taxes. And surcharges and user fees and carbon taxes and higher costs of higher CAFE standards and subsidies for mass transit with unlimited budgets and more and more Boston “Big Dig” types of projects.

And because of the strange names and even stranger corporate structures and government subsidies, most folks are not even aware of their existence.

We need the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

 

[goofyjim]

The only reason I requested a link, is because goofyjim’s reference to calling people Nazi was out of the blue and seemed to be in response to something.

He admitted that it was in response to another thread. Is it that hypocritical to ask for a link to a thread you are responding to??? Get a grip guys.

My earlier point was that the conservatives on these forums constantly attack liberals as though they were Nazis. It is done so often I couldn’t possibly provide links enough to state my case. I suggest everyone who wants proof just examine a few other threads. Noone wants to do what Hitler did. I am liberal in helping the poor but labeling me a Nazi is like saying I hate the Jews which is so far from the truth. I don’t hate anyone.

 

[wabrams]

My earlier point was that the conservatives on these forums constantly attack liberals as though they were Nazis. It is done so often I couldn’t possibly provide links enough to state my case. I suggest everyone who wants proof just examine a few other threads. Noone wants to do what Hitler did. I am liberal in helping the poor but labeling me a Nazi is like saying I hate the Jews which is so far from the truth. I don’t hate anyone.

But Nazis also believed in strict gun control, abortion, euthansia, and eugenics. Sound familiar?

 

[rlg94086]

My earlier point was that the conservatives on these forums constantly attack liberals as though they were Nazis. It is done so often I couldn’t possibly provide links enough to state my case. I suggest everyone who wants proof just examine a few other threads. Noone wants to do what Hitler did. I am liberal in helping the poor but labeling me a Nazi is like saying I hate the Jews which is so far from the truth. I don’t hate anyone.

Hitler/Nazi is thrown around a lot on both sides. Liberals have called the president Hitler, his “regime” Nazi Germany, etc. Please don’t hypocritically wave your finger at the Right for using that tactic without including your brothers on the Left.