Hypocritical Contraception?

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Em_in_FL said:
I do understand your frustration with the terms… I agree with you there, I wish it were easier to describe.
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We’ll never understand the teaching if we don’t understand the terms. If we don’t understand the teaching, how can we really be free to accept or reject it?
Em in FL said:
I like going back to some of the church writings on the subject… Humanae Vitae is great… (emphasis is mine)
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Links to Humanae Vitae can never be posted too often.
Em in FL said:
I encourage you to read through the entire document… yes it’s long, but it’s an absolutely beautiful tribute to marital love.
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I have taken the time to read it and I agree wholeheartedly with your assesment. I think we need to take it a step further though, and not just read and quote it but talk about it, in our own words even. If we can internalize its message our lives and our discussions become a witness to the power of its truth. Rather than simply condemning contraception, I think we win hearts by being positive examples of the fullness of the authentic Catholic life.

The lessons of HV are valuable for a culture that lacks respect for human life yet wonders where all our misery comes from.

Off topic, I think Swan has a cool attitude. It’s like, “Here’s who I am, and here’s what I believe”. No pretending, no apologies. With that kind of attitude you can actually have a difference of opinion and remain friendly about it.👍
 
Heres my stance. NFP is not a sin. Contraception is a sin as always. 🤷
 
holdencaulfield said:
Then how can you support contraception usage without also supporting abortion.
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Well to be honest I really donlt see anything wrong with the preventing the implantation of a fertilized egg. But not seeing anything wrong with a fertilized egg not making it is different from saying aborting a 6 month old fetus is ok for instance. And there is a difference between saying aborting a 6 month old fetus is ok…but infancide is not.
 
Calliso said:
Well to be honest I really donlt see anything wrong with the preventing the implantation of a fertilized egg. But not seeing anything wrong with a fertilized egg not making it is different from saying aborting a 6 month old fetus is ok for instance. And there is a difference between saying aborting a 6 month old fetus is ok…but infancide is not.
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I thought you were a Christian.

“You shall not murder.” (Exodus 20:13)
 
Calliso said:
Well to be honest I really donlt see anything wrong with the preventing the implantation of a fertilized egg. But not seeing anything wrong with a fertilized egg not making it is different from saying aborting a 6 month old fetus is ok for instance. And there is a difference between saying aborting a 6 month old fetus is ok…but infancide is not.
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Well, holden, hence my post stands. 👍
 
Calliso said:
I am a Christian I donlt considered a fertilized egg not implanting murder though…
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What is a fertilized egg. A baby human. It’s life that was not there before. Life created by the union of two humans. A unique life that can be made by no other means. You are stopping what would be there. You are killing what would turn into a baby, hence you are killing the baby.
 
LittleDeb said:
Yes, I see your confusion. By ForMary’s logic I must cease breast-feeding my daughter, or I must abstain? I am naturally infertile brought about by breast feeding. Since I cannot “reproduce” it must be sinful??

Count me in confused there too. :rolleyes:
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I trust you know, but just incase someone else was reading this…

No. As long as you are open to life, you are encouraged to enjoy the marital embrace as much as you like. No mater what your current state of fertility.

As odd as it seems, you may conceive while already pregnant. That came up in “Is it a sin to have sex with my pregnant wife” thread.

NFP is thought to be “Catholic Birth Control” and I’ve seen quotes from Bishops that would give you that idea. NFP is a process by which a couple (or woman alone, I guess) can determine her fertility. I strongly recommend using the process ALL the time the couple is fertile. It provides more than just information about fertility. Many don’t practice it until they decide the prior method of “who cares” is no longer to their liking.

So it’s equating NFP with ABC that causes the confusion. Secondly, there is the “Grave” reason to practice NFP condition. Grave sounds serious. It is serious. Not “nearly dead.” but serious consideration to your situation and relationship with God.

So many think we’re either supposed to pump out babies until we’re in poverty or nearly insane or it’s obvious we’re just a bunch of hypocrites and not worthy of his Grace. The CCC specifically states that we are expected to consider this choice of ours selflessly but prudently look to the future to maintain appropriate means for our family.

So no. Deciding not to try to have more children is not a sin if taken seriously. Purposely corrupting the act, is, however. So to try to make this a response to the OP, We have choices in our lives. There aren’t DIWDo and DIWDon’t decisions. With consideration of the options and prayer, we can determine the path with a clean conscience.
 
Calliso said:
Techincally though is it? I mean if it is not implanted it is not considered a pregnancy yet is it?
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You destroy what is going to be life. So yes it is murder. Turn off your CNN and listen to logic.
 
Calliso said:
Techincally though is it? I mean if it is not implanted it is not considered a pregnancy yet is it?
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According to the medical community, it is. The theory that you aren’t pregnant until the human implants into the uterus was started by a man looking for ways to avoid scandal over abortive birth control pills.

Also, regardless of whether you consider yourself pregnant or unpregnant, or halfway pregnant, the human still exists.
 
hasikelee said:
According to the medical community, it is. The theory that you aren’t pregnant until the human implants into the uterus was started by a man looking for ways to avoid scandal over abortive birth control pills.

Also, regardless of whether you consider yourself pregnant or unpregnant, or halfway pregnant, the human still exists.
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Good point. And when the liberal medical community agrees to a conservative argument it is most likely correct.
 
holdencaulfield said:
Good point. And when the liberal medical community agrees to a conservative argument it is most likely correct.
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Also keep in mind that once the egg is fertilized and a human comes into existence with unique DNA, that human spends up to almost 2 weeks floating around before implanting into the uterus. In fact, the human will go through several key stages of development.

So, I guess if you want to draw a line between a 6 month old fetus and an 8 week old embryo, you could also draw a line between a 3 day old blastocyst and a 10 day old zygote.

That’s such a complicated thing to do, though, don’t you think? How would you draw a line between a 1 year old infant and a 5 year old child, or a 12 year old preteen and a 16 year old teen? At what point do they stop being in one stage and go on to the next?
 
holdencaulfield said:
You destroy what is going to be life. So yes it is murder. Turn off your CNN and listen to logic.
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You know your not going to get anyone to see your point of view by being insulting…I donlt even watch CNN! never had it was an honest question!
 
hasikelee said:
According to the medical community, it is. The theory that you aren’t pregnant until the human implants into the uterus was started by a man looking for ways to avoid scandal over abortive birth control pills.

Also, regardless of whether you consider yourself pregnant or unpregnant, or halfway pregnant, the human still exists.
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I see thank you for answering my question. 🙂
 
holdencaulfield said:
What is a fertilized egg. A baby human. It’s life that was not there before. Life created by the union of two humans. A unique life that can be made by no other means. You are stopping what would be there. You are killing what would turn into a baby, hence you are killing the baby.
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You do make a good point it is killing a potential baby.
 
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