Hypothetical conversion process

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Some Christians (like me) have gone from Catholic to Evangelical, and then when age and wisdom catch up with us, back to Catholic. But some Christians, are born in the Christian wilderness. They have never been in a liturgical, let alone a Catholic church. And when they walk into one, well, let’s face it, it can be kind of scary.
They see statues, stained glass windows. They smell incense. They see an altar, kneelers, people genuflecting, crossing themselves, holy water, crucifixes. Instead of a preacher, they see a priest in a robe.
People aren’t standing around talking, they’re in silent prayer. They are required to respond in prayer, creeds. Just not sitting in a pew staring. Let’s face it, for the person born in the Little Church on the Evangelical Prairie, it’s like stepping off a spaceship onto another planet.
A ‘good ole boy’ who puts on his ‘go to meetin’’ clothes on Sunday to ‘hear the preacher’ is coming from a totally different mindset and church culture. Even if the church is not hostile to the RCC, for him, it’s a different world. Generations of conditioning have produced this. His father was ________, his father was a ________.On the other side of the coin, the first time I walked into an evangelical church, what struck me was nothing was required of me (which perhaps fed into my lazy nature). No order of service, just listening to a preacher…and well, that’s pretty much it. I think both need to understand there are generations of Christians who have never experienced the other. This is not helped by fundamentalists on both sides anesthetizing the other. So to many Christians in the RCC, Protestant, and evangelical, nothing is known and communication does not exist.
It’s like a science fiction story of two planets who have been at war for so long they no longer remember the reason why or even know what the “enemy” looks like.
I think the reason many evangelicals are turning to the Catholic and Episcopal churches are more complicated than many evangelicals imagine. I believe it is found in one area:A longing for the Eucharist.
Wherever you meet the early church, there is one characteristic. Whether it be in the arena just before they are fed to the wild lions. In that anteroom they were doing something. If you went to their secret meetings in the cemeteries where they met for fear of the authorities on a Sunday morning, they will be doing the same thing that they were doing in the anteroom. Wherever you find these Christians, that’s the one thing they did.
Eating of the Body and Blood of Christ.
 
In the anteroom in the arena, and in there secret church meetings, they gathered around, and took a piece of bread, and they broke it, and they said, “this is the body of Christ”, and they ate it. And they took a cup of wine, and they said, “this is the blood of Christ”, and they drank it. And mystically, but all so really, they went out stronger than human beings to face whatever there was to face. That’s why you went to church on a Sunday morning. It wasn’t to have another Gospel meeting. In fact they wouldn’t allow unconverted people to come. Isn’t that shocking! They had a deacon at the door, and just before the act of breaking the bread, the fellow in charge would yell out, “doors! The deacons would guard the doors to make sure no unbelievers would come in. This was family time. The family sat down to eat in the presence of Jesus. And the meal was Jesus.
Jesus said do this in remembrance of me. And the word remembrance does not mean to send your mind back and try to mentally imagine. That is not the meaning of the word. The word means to bring something forward into the present, and re-enact it. So they re-enacted it just like Jesus did on that last night. They took bread just like He did; they took wine just like He did. And they said the words He said, because He promised that He would be unusually, uniquely present, that He would be the Host of that meal in a way present as no where else, and that he would actually feed them with His own very person and self. And they would go up. And they said Christ is in me, and they said it at a level of understanding that was more than some mystical way because I kept repeating it long enough that I kind of psyched myself into it. No, they actually knew! They had partaken of Christ himself and were strengthened.
That is strange to our western ears, but it is not strange to the ears of the early church! That was the beating heart of Christianity, a meal together with Jesus! And they did it every time they came together, and they did it every time they faced incredible pressure. There was a meal; it was a covenant meal. It was a meal where Jesus was the Host at the table, and Jesus fed them with his very self.
 
I am listening…

If the RCIA director ever replies back to my email, I have plenty of questions from the list of Q&A in the Catechisms listed on that site.

Also, I’ve read online that some people aren’t happy with the Vatican II. Aren’t Catholics supposed to accept the teachings of the higher-up authorities…?

On a completely unrelated note, what is the general Catholic sentiment of the movie “Sister Act”? I found it to be delightful…hope there weren’t any sacrilege in it.
EIF,

You may consider posting questions here one at a time…

I do have some other thoughts that with your permission I will post later.

Considering Vatican II and anything else, there are always people that are not content. I suggest that you consider that malcontents exist everywhere. Vatican II has authentic teaching.

Concerning Sister Act, here is a list of the top 100 pro-Catholic movies and Sister Act ranks #27.😊

ncregister.com/info/top_100_pro_catholic_movies/
 
EIF,

You may consider posting questions here one at a time…

I do have some other thoughts that with your permission I will post later.

Considering Vatican II and anything else, there are always people that are not content. I suggest that you consider that malcontents exist everywhere. Vatican II has authentic teaching.

Concerning Sister Act, here is a list of the top 100 pro-Catholic movies and Sister Act ranks #27.😊

ncregister.com/info/top_100_pro_catholic_movies/
OK, I will do that — just didn’t want to ask each individual question with each individual response and make it all scattered.

If you think those thoughts will enrich my learning experience, I accept. 😉
 
OK, I will do that — just didn’t want to ask each individual question with each individual response and make it all scattered.

If you think those thoughts will enrich my learning experience, I accept. 😉
EIF,

I believe that as the Catechism says we should approach Evangelization with

Faith, Intelligence and Kindness…in that regard…the Catechism is divided into 4 sections…

Profession of Faith…what we believe
Sacramental Mystery/living the life we believe
The Moral Life, following the commandments and modeling Christ
Life of Prayer…asking for help…

So, you were baptized Presbyterian…without any criticism of your experience I ask you to consider this…

Profession of Faith

Read the Nicene Creed…notice it says “We”…it was originally intended for the Bishops but it is part of our belief…read it and ask yourself what you agree with and what you do not agree with…you will discover you agree with much…
We believe (I believe ) in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begottenSon of God, and born of the Father before all ages. (God of God ) light of light, true God of true God. Begotten not made, consubstantial to the Father, by whom all things were made. Who for usmen and for our salvation came down from heaven. And was incarnate of the Holy Ghost and of the Virgin Mary and was made man ; was crucified also for us underPontius Pilate, suffered and wasburied ; and the third day rose again according to the Scriptures. And ascended into heaven, sits at the right hand of the Father, and shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, of whose Kingdom there shall be no end. And (I believe ) in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father (and the Son ), who together with the Father and the Son is to be adored and glorified, who spoke by theProphets. And one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We confess (I confess) one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for (I look for) theresurrection of the dead and thelife of the world to come. Amen."
Sacramental Life

We believe in the Sacraments of Initiation, Sacrament of annointing and Sacraments of Community…

you were Baptized and therefore you have partaken of the Sacrament of Initiaion…Yipeee you are on board… and as Paul says in Romans 6…you were buried with him…and you were, we believe, born again in your Baptism and received Faith/Hope/Charity…

This is important because we believe that understanding and accepting and believing revealed truths is through the gift of Faith…because on our own we can do nothing…yeah God…

Moral Life

Here you may find yourself totally accepting of everything you find in the following of the commandments and modeling Christ…some bumps in the road would be Abortion, Contraception and perhaps others…but for the most part you are probably right on board…

Prayer

You already have shown that you listen to prayer/music and meditation even while driving in your car…

So if you look at what you have in common, what you already know, you can see why coming to the Church, going through RCIA…it would be approaching the fullness of the revealed Faith…because

You probably have Prayer, Modeling Christ well underway…and what you may not know yet you can learn in what you believe and then understanding and perhaps accepting Sacraments…

Does that make sense to you?

PS,

Just between you and me, since you started this thread…post what you want to ask rather than feeling obligated to answer a posting and that includes mine.
 
I am listening…

If the RCIA director ever replies back to my email …]
Send it again, and make sure the title is very specific - I am always amazed at what I find in my “junk” folder, including messages from people wanting to become Catholic. 🤷

Even under the best of circumstances, you often have to just keep beating on the door until someone answers.
 
Send it again, and make sure the title is very specific - I am always amazed at what I find in my “junk” folder, including messages from people wanting to become Catholic. 🤷

Even under the best of circumstances, you often have to just keep beating on the door until someone answers.
Sometimes the phone is best… in fact, often times the phone is best…even leaving a voicemail as email mailboxes tend to get full & cluttered. I try telling this to my daughters all time…

(Your could argue) Times were better when we only had a phone, never had a voicemail and someone always replied “hello” when answering or the phone just rang and rang. At least you knew… and then there was the U.S. Postal service…one could write a letter…and wait for a letter back or a phone call. I used to even drive over to someone’s house, unannounced and say “wat’s up?” If they were nice they would offer me a cup of coffee or a Coke. Maybe a cookie too…
 
Sometimes the phone is best… in fact, often times the phone is best…even leaving a voicemail as email mailboxes tend to get full & cluttered. I try telling this to my daughters all time…
Yes, that’s true. A phone call also lets people know that you are serious.
I used to even drive over to someone’s house, unannounced and say “wat’s up?” If they were nice they would offer me a cup of coffee or a Coke. Maybe a cookie too…
This has also been known to work. 🙂
 
Is a Catholic obligated to believe every Catechism of the Church? Namely, I’m asking about papal infallibility.

I’ve read the Catechism about the Eucharist being the actual Body and Blood of Christ with the appearance to the physical senses of being Bread and Wine. (Did I get that right? 😊) I think I’m starting to understand the Eucharist perhaps…
 
Is a Catholic obligated to believe every Catechism of the Church? Namely, I’m asking about papal infallibility.

I’ve read the Catechism about the Eucharist being the actual Body and Blood of Christ with the appearance to the physical senses of being Bread and Wine. (Did I get that right? 😊) I think I’m starting to understand the Eucharist perhaps…
Well, yeah. As Christians belonging to the Catholic Church we are obligated to believe the doctrines of the Catholic Church, and of course that includes papal infallibility. The following is rather concise, informative and helpful, regarding the issue of papal infallibility:

markandlauraward.com/blog/2008/10/17/the-catholic-catechism-on-papal-infallibility/

Regarding the Eucharist the following is really informative:

vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c1a3.htm
 
Is a Catholic obligated to believe every Catechism of the Church? Namely, I’m asking about papal infallibility.

I’ve read the Catechism about the Eucharist being the actual Body and Blood of Christ with the appearance to the physical senses of being Bread and Wine. (Did I get that right? 😊) I think I’m starting to understand the Eucharist perhaps…
EIF,

Recall I brought to your attention…

Profession of Faith
Sacramental Life
Morality/modeling Christ
Prayer

Yes, the Catechism is the deposit of Faith that we accept and believe…I will get to that in a moment…but look here…Profession of Faith…I am sure that you accept all of this…
We believe (I believe ) in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begottenSon of God, and born of the Father before all ages. (God of God ) light of light, true God of true God. Begotten not made, consubstantial to the Father, by whom all things were made.
I want you to imagine for a moment the time and place, perhaps it was many different times and many different places that you came to understand, accept and believe this…got it…now ask yourself…would any Joe on the stree accept and believe these professions just because they read it…of course not…so then why do you believe it…

Recall I told you that in Baptism, you recieved the gift of Faith…you may want to check the Catechism and see what it is this Faith allows you to do…and it is no different now than it was 2000 years ago…look here…
15He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18“I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.
How was it Peter was able to proclaim who Jesus was? By the gift of Faith, that same gift that you have and is active…Ok…👍

Now concerning Papal infallibility…yes that is part of the deposit of Faith, rather than getting the cart before the horse…look back at the profession of Faith…We Believe in…
And one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.
Our Faith is Apostolic…ask any Coptic and they will tell you that their Church was founded by the Apostle Mark…go looking on the internet about the Coptics and on their sites you will see that Coptics claim origin from the Apostle Mark…remmember that the gospel was spread all over the world and is bearing fruit. Recall there were Samaritans of yesterday and they exist today. The Coptics of yesterday are the same today and the Coptic Catholics belong to the OHCAC, One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church…

so we first believe in an Apostolic Church…

Now go back and look at the profession of Faith…creation of the heavens and earth…do you believe that? I will bet you do…can you imagine a God that created the universe and holds it in order would say He would build a Church and leave it without order, of course not…and this is the Apostolic Church that has leadership and transmits the Faith in time orderly for all to know what was known by the Apostles so that we can have the fullness of Faith…Ok…👍

Concerning the Eucharist…this is Sacramental Life…and if you can imagine the Last Supper and imagine that everything that happened as Jesus said…he truly meant than with your gift of Faith…you can come to discern and understand the rest…

Ok…🙂
 
This is a good thought train running. 👍 Do you listen to “The Doobie Brothers” before posting this one?😃
AD,

I am not sure what you are asking. I listen to the Audio Catechism of the USA for adults pretty regularly that has helped form my thoughts and provided insights. I am now on my 7th run through. I also have hard copy of that Catechism to refer to.

I listen to the Moody Blues, Led Zeppelin, and a few others in between posting. I shall check out the Doobie Brothers and see how that goes…🙂
 
AD,

I am not sure what you are asking. I listen to the Audio Catechism of the USA for adults pretty regularly that has helped form my thoughts and provided insights. I am now on my 7th run through. I also have hard copy of that Catechism to refer to.

I listen to the Moody Blues, Led Zeppelin, and a few others in between posting. I shall check out the Doobie Brothers and see how that goes…🙂
Just making a ref to “long train running” by the Doobie Bros. but I think the jest is lost, sorry.😛

BTW I have requested the audio Catechism and my wife asked “why do you need that?” I had to answer "because Coptic said so.😃
 
Just making a ref to “long train running” by the Doobie Bros. but I think the jest is lost, sorry.😛

BTW I have requested the audio Catechism and my wife asked “why do you need that?” I had to answer "because Coptic said so.😃
adf,

My journey to the Audio Catechism came as the result of a posting that caused me to reflect. I believe I started a thread on Homosexuality and after so much uncharitable posting and my posting something to the effect of a story about the Emperors clothes, my integrity was questioned by the Moderators. They lifted their concern and I decided to take a break and read the Catechism…while doing that I noticed that I really like audio material and was looking for the Catechism audio…what happened next was my ordering what I thought was the Universal Catechism and what I got was the USA Catechism for Adults…

So, here I am discovering something that has been available to USA Catholics for over 10 years and I had not read it, although I referred to the Catechism often…so I decided to just listen, and listen, and listen, and listen, and listen, and listen…that is about 6 listens…I am on my 7th listening and this time I am spending about a week with each disc…it is amazing…

I firmly believe in ordered thinking. I firmly believe that the Church has ordered thinking. I have been a student of General Semantics, NLP, Neurosemantics and discovered that much of what is written about how we communicate by the secular world is found in Church writings…so I decided to REPENT/Change my Mind…and be Transformed by the renewing of my mind…and I knew that I would never be the same and I knew that I was ascending to what it is you and I and all of us believe…

The result…well you can view many of my postings as of late and I have discovered that rather than random thoughts about this or that…I find myself putting all my thoughts in order…As we Believe and Think so we Believe and ACT…If you want to change your actions…change how you think and believe…and The Bible clearly says to change your mind and it clearly says to be transformed by renewing your mind…and what better way than to fill it with the Deposit of Faith…found in the Catechism…

So, as you can see what was something that initially caused me to reflect has caused me to now see as a greater good that all can profit from…I believe that so many will prosper from the Audio Catechism…do me a favor and you can change lives…

Continually refer to the USA Catechism in your writings for others… I know PorknPie has a copy and I suggest he do the same…If my uncharitable actions, my reflection and my meditation is going to mean anything then it is going to need help, join me…spread the word, use the resource and call others to Catechize their minds and repent like I did and be transformed like I was…and tell them that it was because John Paul II said so and the Bishops of the United States suggested we do so…

So much more has happened and that will be posted in time as situations permit…

Tell everyone about this treasure that has been there and that we have found…Ok…👍
 
So, here I am discovering something that has been available to USA Catholics for over 10 years and I had not read it, although I referred to the Catechism often…so I decided to just listen, and listen, and listen, and listen, and listen, and listen…that is about 6 listens…I am on my 7th listening and this time I am spending about a week with each disc…it is amazing…

So, as you can see what was something that initially caused me to reflect has caused me to now see as a greater good that all can profit from…I believe that so many will prosper from the Audio Catechism…do me a favor and you can change lives…
I have noticed the “new Coptic” as I’m sure God has as well. :grouphug: God bless you on this new found journey and thank you for the resource. I’m sure it can only help to improve my walk also.

Peace Brother!!!
 
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