Hypothetical for "Orthodox in communion with Rome."

[Formosus]

Well you said Eastern-Rite, not rites , and even if you meant Eastern Churches its not helpful to continue to use incorrect terminology rather then explain the correct understanding of the Church.

As for this akathist, the only one I could find is an Akathist written for St. Peter and Paul which does not contain this passage you outlined. It would seem this is not an authentic Orthodox akathist but perhaps an eastern catholic composition? I don’t know. In the Greek tradition only two(to Christ and to the Theotokos) Akathists exist, all the other various akathists are from the Russian tradition I beleive.

Edit* Also, its fairly common to refer to saints as pillars of the faith. Its not a statement concerning Peter’s infallibility, unless you want to claim that Photius, Gregory Palamas, and Mark of Ephesus are also infallible since they are commonly called the “Pillars of Orthodoxy”

 

[KyivAndrew]

Eastern Catholic are the churches of the East that are in communion with the Catholic Church.

Eastern Orthodox are not in communion with the Catholic Church. They would include Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox and so on.
Anyway that’s how I understand it.

Yes. Without getting into semantics that is the gist of it. I am Ukrainian Greek Catholic - just as much a Catholic as a Latin-rite Catholic.

 

[Cecilianus]

Well you said Eastern-Rite, not rites , and even if you meant Eastern Churches its not helpful to continue to use incorrect terminology rather then explain the correct understanding of the Church.

As for this akathist, the only one I could find is an Akathist written for St. Peter and Paul which does not contain this passage you outlined. It would seem this is not an authentic Orthodox akathist but perhaps an eastern catholic composition? I don’t know. In the Greek tradition only two(to Christ and to the Theotokos) Akathists exist, all the other various akathists are from the Russian tradition I beleive.

Edit* Also, its fairly common to refer to saints as pillars of the faith. Its not a statement concerning Peter’s infallibility, unless you want to claim that Photius, Gregory Palamas, and Mark of Ephesus are also infallible since they are commonly called the “Pillars of Orthodoxy”

I used “Eastern-Rite” as an adjective. Any Catholic of any of the Eastern rites is an “Eastern-rite Catholic”; that is correct terminology. I don’t see the point of nitpicking over it, though.

The akathist I mentioned was called the “Akaphisti Sedmitchnii” in the antiquated source I read it in (De Maistre’s “The Pope”), which said it was Russian Orthodox. I don’t speak a word of Russian so I don’t know what “sedmitchnii” means. If St. Peter is the “never-to-be-shaken” pillar, doesn’t that mean “infallible”?

 

[Formosus]

I used “Eastern-Rite” as an adjective. Any Catholic of any of the Eastern rites is an “Eastern-rite Catholic”; that is correct terminology. I don’t see the point of nitpicking over it, though.

The akathist I mentioned was called the “Akaphisti Sedmitchnii” in the antiquated source I read it in (De Maistre’s “The Pope”), which said it was Russian Orthodox. I don’t speak a word of Russian so I don’t know what “sedmitchnii” means. If St. Peter is the “never-to-be-shaken” pillar, doesn’t that mean “infallible”?

There is no such thing as “Catholics of the Eastern-rite” or “Eastern-rite Catholics”. There are Catholics whom are members of Eastern Sui Iuris Churches. There is no such thing as an “Eastern-Rite”.

I can’t imagine De Maistre is a trustworthy source on Russian Orthodox Akathist hymns. As I said, I looked and all I can find is one called “The Akathist Hymn to Sts. Peter and Paul” and the phrase you mentioned is not in it. As I said, referring to saints as Pillars or saying things like “never to be shaken” does not mean they were infallible. It just means that they firmly held onto , or taught the Orthodox faith. De Maistre ( I assume this is his interpretation of it) is not viewing this akathist in the context it was written, assuming it actually is a Russian composition.