I’m not a Mormon. Here's why...

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IggyAntiochus said:
Perhaps you could point out the vitriol, Curious? At least, in this thread. Is pointing out that the doctrines of Mormonism are false some form of vitriol?
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No, addressing the doctrines of Mormonism, as false, is not vitriol.

Let me ask you this - in your estimation - have the posts addressing the false doctrines of Islam, Judaism, Hinduism - the clearly non-Christian views - been as extensively addressed as the “falsehoods” of the Protestant Churches - by Catholics on this Forum?

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Stephen168 said:
Mormons are not Christians. The films points out just one of the frauds of Joseph Smith. Smith led his people into Apostasy and hopefully this film may help some return to Christianity.
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Amen.

It’s one of the spiritual works of Mercy. Instruct the uninformed.
 
Curious_Seed said:
No, addressing the doctrines of Mormonism, as false, is not vitriol.

Let me ask you this - in your estimation - have the posts addressing the false doctrines of Islam, Judaism, Hinduism - the clearly non-Christian views - been as extensively addressed as the “falsehoods” of the Protestant Churches - by Catholics on this Forum?

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Mormonism is just as clearly non Christian as Islam or Hinduism.

At any rate, yes, there has been uncharitable comments made about or to Protestants on this forum. As well as to Catholics and Eastern Orthodox. Such attitudes are never justified. But we have to also be willing to see the difference between being uncharitable and pointing out genuine disagreements between Christians.

There’s nothing uncharitable about a Catholic saying, “I believe sola fide is false,” as there is nothing uncharitable about my saying papal infallibility is false. We are both required by our confessions of faith to say those things.
 
Another thing to keep in mind, Curious, is that many of us posters whether Catholic or not, used to be Mormon. Those of us who know what Mormonism teaches, know that it is not of God. There’s no hate there. That’s just truth. Have you been a Mormon? Have you walked a mile in my shoes? I’m the only non-mormon in my family. (With the exception of my 2nd wife and her family) If you haven’t, then you really can’t say anything. We’re not saying that mormons or JW’s are bad people. Just mislead. And, please, for the love of pillbug, PICK ONE FONT COLOR!:hypno:
 
Curious_Seed said:
There you go - arguably.

How about directing the same barbs on those who are clearly, unarguably, not Christian: Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, Confucianists, atheists, agnostics - or even redirecting waning Catholics.

No, that would be too difficult - and potentially too dangerous, for some of the Catholic intelligentsia, on this Forum.

Better to take satisfaction in fulfilling the Great Commission, by pointing out the superiority of Catholicism to those who are “arguably’” not Christian: Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Lutherans, Anglicans, Baptists.

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Sorry, but I prefer to listen and follow Christ when He told us to warn others against the wolves in sheep clothing, if that offends you, I suggest you do not click on LDS threads.
 
We watched with my wife. She is an ex mormon. She was born mormon from a mormon family and was mormon for 24 years…she felt a deep hunger after watching it.

If JS had some deep psycological problem is his problem and we can pray for his soul, but that people prefer to believing in him despite all that it is a much bigger problem…

It was so ubsurd the exuse of the mormon church about this translation…
They are not defending a faith in God. They defending the integrity of the integrity of a culture (family, moral values and so on) behind a human made sacred wall.

This is my actual feeling since nobody can believe in this things if not for is culture integrity. Nobody except if he really is an antiChrist.
 
As I promised in a deleted post, this thread needs to remain on the first page, to reduce LDS hostility towards our beliefs and assert our right to religious freedom.
 
I watched it again today, when I’ve been more awake. This video is particularly interesting to me as I’m a linguist and particularly in ancient languages. I cannot understand why, when Joseph Smith was so adamant that he had TRANSLATED the hieroglyphs from the Egyptian to the English, people would still claim this as truth when learned Egyptologists have stacked up MOUNTAINS of evidence against it.

I found the end part of the video particularly sad as it seems that Mormons want to learn the truth, but seem completely in the dark. It seems that they’re actually quite ignorant of their own religion to be fair.
 
I try to be charitable when it comes to Mormonism but its hard. I love history a lot and when I see the abuses some make to distorting history for their own ends it really makes me angry. So when I think of Joseph Smith and Mormonism even more so because He hasn’t merely distorted the record but he has also put people’s souls at risk by perpetrating his lie.

When arguing Mormonism you don’t even need to address the theology because when you expose its false history the theology falls to pieces.

Anyway the video was very good and I enjoyed it. Thank You.
 
One thing that (I think) was not mentioned in the video:

Joseph Smith claimed (and the foreword to the Book of Abraham says) that it is “written by his [Abraham’s] own hand upon the parchment”.

But…

Abraham lived somewhere around 1,800 BC, but the parchment has been carbon-dated to around 230 BC. So Abraham could not possibly have written upon a piece of parchment that did not exist until 1,600 years after he lived. The margin of error for modern carbon dating is ± 50 years.

Just one more thing that Joseph got totally wrong.

:hmmm:

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
 
mitex said:
It always seems people on this subthread are obsessed with Mormons. :confused:
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No, there are people (like me, a former Mormon) who realize that the Mormons are a devious cult that hides its real teachings, origins and beliefs from those it wants to ensnare. I think that I have a responsibility to expose the lies and falsehoods of Mormonism so I can perhaps prevent people from going through the same living hell that I went through as a Mormon and a former Mormon.

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
 
mitex said:
It always seems people on this subthread are obsessed with Mormons. :confused:
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A variety of reasons. For one, many of us are former Mormons, and a second, at least up until very recently, several of the posters over the past few years were Mormons.

Discussions over theology and the difference in beliefs were always fodder for threads.

I know that there is at least one man on this forum who is Jewish. A couple of Lutherans? I dont think any JW or SDAs?
 
mitex said:
It always seems people on this subthread are obsessed with Mormons. :confused:
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The history of Mormon/Catholic debate on this board is quite extensive. Some of it has been very hostile. We are tired of LDS who come on this board to proselytize. If you object to the content of that video, you object to the truth. And the devil is the deceiver, and the father of lies.

Debates with people of other faiths are generally quite reasonable and charitable. They generally come here to share beliefs and exchange ideas. Our Orthodox, Lutheran, and Anglican brothers and sisters, in particular, are welcome. As is the present Baha’i thread. All are here in good faith.
 
PaulDupre said:
No, there are people (like me, a former Mormon) who realize that the Mormons are a devious cult that hides its real teachings, origins and beliefs from those it wants to ensnare. I think that I have a responsibility to expose the lies and falsehoods of Mormonism so I can perhaps prevent people from going through the same living hell that I went through as a Mormon and a former Mormon.

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
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In other words your obsessed… Religious freedom means the state stays of of religion, the religion from state, and other religions from each other…

Clearly you are obsessed. Some people are happy as mormons. My bestfriend is a mormon and quite happy.

Another friend is a community of Christ member. She’s very happy.

I doubt you speak for all mormons or former mormons for that matter. :rolleyes:
 
mitex said:
In other words your obsessed…

Really? This is a discussion board. One of the things discussed is the LDS Church. Under your reasoning, if I eat a steak at a steak restaurant, I am obsessed about meat. That is simply silly

Religious freedom means the state stays of of religion, the religion from state, and other religions from each other…

First, that is not true. You have distorted the Constitution. Second, the Constitutional freedoms discussed in the Constitution does not apply to a religious discussion board. You should know that.

Clearly you are obsessed.

Clearly, you are wrong.

Some people are happy as mormons. My bestfriend is a mormon and quite happy.

I have clients quite happy using cocaine. Under your reasoning, they should be left alone and allowed to keep using

I doubt you speak for all mormons or former mormons for that matter. :rolleyes:

He may not speak for all of us, But what he says we agree with
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