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Well, here we are again, and while I don’t mind the conversation wandering, I have a different sort of question to add to the mix.

Has anyone tried the ‘dvorak’ keyboard layout? I have been training with it for a week now, and my typing speed is already half way to my previous (qwerty) speed.

As always, I will be happy to answer anything I can about being an atheist, too.
 
I’m not so much an athiest.
I believe in God but just not the way the bible portrays it,
Why did he create us??
To me he must be very vain to have us all pray to him and stuff so often.
Hes very strict considering… [You will wear what my priests and bishops say is apropriatly/you will pray everyday, To me/You will tell me your confessions/You will attend mass every sunday/The list goes on.
I often think God made the earth and the devil made man to destroy the earth, OR are they playing chess with us. [God makes a fly/Devil makes a spider to kill the fly, God makes a fish/Devil makes a shark to kill the fish etc etc…]
Not that hard to believe 😃
 
I often think God made the earth and the devil made man to destroy the earth, OR are they playing chess with us. [God makes a fly/Devil makes a spider to kill the fly, God makes a fish/Devil makes a shark to kill the fish etc etc…]
Not that hard to believe 😃
What makes you think that there is a god at all? I have seen no reason to think there is one…
 
As for a God, Hes shown nothing to prove himself in my life time but just a load of people killing in his name…
As for us being here, We could just be of a freak of nature, But life needs a begining, I wouldnt say that God as 1 person made us but of a race, MAYBE!!! Like i say:- I havent made my mind up yet,
I wont proof of everything before i think of it as possitive…
Lets put it 1 way. I believe in science before i believe in God…
Science shows us stuff all to often and proves itself but the religous people get more and more nervous…Maybe incase they find out the bible they read isnt all its cracked up to be…
 
As for a God, Hes shown nothing to prove himself in my life time but just a load of people killing in his name…
That’s just dishonest. If you have seen people doing evil in his name, you have also seen people doing good in his name. Just because Hitler, Stalin and Mao were atheists, I would never deny that atheists do good, sometimes great good.
Lets put it 1 way. I believe in science before i believe in God…Science shows us stuff all to often and proves itself but the religous people get more and more nervous…Maybe incase they find out the bible they read isnt all its cracked up to be…
There’s no contradiction, no tension between science and faith. People on both sides who think otherwise are either sadly misinformed or are pushing an agenda.
 
I strongly suggest that you read the book in my signature. You will learn that Catholics, especially Catholic clergy are responsible for laying the foundations of modern science. The Catholic Church has never taught that science and faith are in opposition.

The first person to measure the rate of acceleration of a freely falling body was Fr. Giambattista Riccioli.

The man who has been called the father of Egyptology was Fr. Athanasius Kircher.

Fr. Roger Boscovich, who has been described as “the greatest genius that Yugoslavia ever produced,” has often been called the father of modern atomic theory.
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In                the sciences it was the Jesuits in particular who distinguished                themselves; some 35 craters on the moon, in fact, are named after                Jesuit scientists and mathematicians.
By the eighteenth century, the Jesuits:
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                         had                  contributed to the development of **pendulum clocks, pantographs,                  barometers, reflecting telescopes and microscopes**, to scientific                  fields as various as **magnetism, optics and electricity**. They observed,                  in some cases before anyone else, the **colored bands on Jupiter’s                  surface, the Andromeda nebula and Saturn’s rings**. They theorized                  about **the circulation of the blood** (independently of Harvey),                  **the theoretical possibility of flight, the way the moon effected                  the tides, and the wave-like nature of light**. **Star maps of the                  southern hemisphere, symbolic logic, flood-control measures on                  the Po and Adige rivers, introducing plus and minus signs into                  Italian mathematics** – all were typical Jesuit achievements, and                  scientists as influential as **Fermat, Huygens, Leibniz and Newton                  were not alone in counting Jesuits among their most prized correspondents                  **[Jonathan Wright, *[The                  Jesuits](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0006532128/lewrockwell/), 2004, p. 189].
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Seismology, the study of earthquakes**, has been so dominated by Jesuits that it has become known as “the Jesuit science.” It was a Jesuit, Fr. J.B. Macelwane, who wrote Introduction to Theoretical Seismology, the first seismology textbook in America, in 1936. To this day, the American Geophysical Union, which Fr. Macelwane once headed, gives an annual medal named after this brilliant priest to a promising young geophysicist.
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             The                Jesuits were also the first to introduce Western science into such                far-off places as China and India. In seventeenth-century China                in particular, Jesuits introduced a substantial body of scientific                knowledge and a vast array of mental tools for understanding the                physical universe, including the Euclidean geometry that made planetary                motion comprehensible. Jesuits made important contributions to the                scientific knowledge and infrastructure of other less developed                nations not only in Asia but also in Africa and Central and South                America. Beginning in the nineteenth century, these continents saw                the opening of Jesuit observatories that studied such fields as                **astronomy, geomagnetism, meteorology, seismology, and solar physics**.                Such observatories provided these places with **accurate time keeping,                weather forecasts (particularly important in the cases of hurricanes                and typhoons), earthquake risk assessments, and cartography.** In                Central and South America the Jesuits worked primarily in **meteorology                and seismology**, essentially laying the foundations of those disciplines                there. The scientific development of these countries, ranging from                Ecuador to Lebanon to the Philippines, is indebted to Jesuit efforts.
Catholic cathedrals in Bologna, Florence, Paris, and Rome were constructed to function as solar observatories. No more precise instruments for observing the sun’s apparent motion could be found anywhere in the world. When Johannes Kepler posited that planetary orbits were elliptical rather than circular, Catholic astronomer Giovanni Cassini verified Kepler’s position through observations he made in the Basilica of San Petronio in the heart of the Papal States. Cassini, incidentally, was a student of Fr. Riccioli and Fr. Francesco Grimaldi, the great astronomer who also discovered the diffraction of light, and even gave the phenomenon its name.

And Catholic clergy *continue *to contribute to scientific research today:

"The $1.6 million Templeton Prize, the richest award made to an individual by a philanthropic organization, was given Wednesday to Michael Heller, 72, a Roman Catholic priest, cosmologist and philosopher who has spent his life asking, and perhaps more impressively answering, questions like “Does the universe need to have a cause?”

nytimes.com/2008/03/13/science/13prize.html

And let us not forget that it was a Catholic priest who developed the theory of the Big Bang:

"Georges Lemaitre (1894-1966), a Belgian mathematician and Catholic priest who developed the theory of the Big Bang. Lemaitre described the beginning of the universe as a burst of fireworks, comparing galaxies to the burning embers spreading out in a growing sphere from the center of the burst. He believed this burst of fireworks was the beginning of time, taking place on “a day without yesterday.”

catholiceducation.org/articles/science/sc0022.html
 
What makes you think that there is a god at all? I have seen no reason to think there is one…
Hi again, A. How are you? God is there, because we are here. 🙂 . If He weren’t there, we wouldn’t be here. Simple as pie.
 
So, carry on with your evidence that there is no God, but please find an argument other than one that pits faith and science against each other. It’s just not a legitimate argument.
 
As for a God, Hes shown nothing to prove himself in my life time but just a load of people killing in his name…
As for us being here, We could just be of a freak of nature, But life needs a begining, I wouldnt say that God as 1 person made us but of a race, MAYBE!!! Like i say:- I havent made my mind up yet,
I wont proof of everything before i think of it as possitive…
Lets put it 1 way. I believe in science before i believe in God…
Science shows us stuff all to often and proves itself but the religous people get more and more nervous…Maybe incase they find out the bible they read isnt all its cracked up to be…
To say that we’re a freak of nature doesn’t make any sense.
 
What makes you think that there is a god at all? I have seen no reason to think there is one…
Do you believe that there is wind?
Have you ever SEEN wind?
You might have seen the effects of wind…but not wind.
It is the same with Our Lord (except that SOME blessed people DID see Him in the person of Jesus Christ).
We see the effects of God all around us…

And as for “being strict”…
To that poster,

You could not so much as BLINK or DRAW A BREATH unless the True, Good, Almighty, and Loving God allows it…for He not only created you; but HOLDS you in existence every moment…praying to Him, and even the ability to do so…IS A GIFT, NOT A STRICT ORDER…He did not have to allow us communication with Him in this way…He could have left us lonely here on Earth…all of the things you mentioned are GIFTS…and He loves you so much that He even allows you to choose to ignore His existence. May God Bless You.
 
Well you have probably answered this question before, but I’m not going to reread the entire thread, so I was wondering why you are posting on a Catholic forum that you are an atheist? Also do you believe your atheism is a rational response to the universe, or an emotional one? Because in my experience many atheists make a claim to being solely rationalist, but ultimately their beliefs are based on their emotions. I was just listening to a talk by Archbishop Fulton Sheen, where he said something like, “Atheism is first a response in the moral sphere and not the rational one.” If I can find the full quote I will post it, but I’m in a hurry right now.
 
Congrats on thread 5, A. 🙂

I think it’s kinda cool that you seem to like hanging around and talking with Catholics.

I visited one or two of your former threads, sorry I didn’t participate much, but I have read some and just want you to know that you’re welcome here in my book.

~~ the phoenix
 
I’m not so much an athiest.
I believe in God but just not the way the bible portrays it,
Why did he create us??
To me he must be very vain to have us all pray to him and stuff so often.
Hes very strict considering… [You will wear what my priests and bishops say is apropriatly/you will pray everyday, To me/You will tell me your confessions/You will attend mass every sunday/The list goes on.
I often think God made the earth and the devil made man to destroy the earth, OR are they playing chess with us. [God makes a fly/Devil makes a spider to kill the fly, God makes a fish/Devil makes a shark to kill the fish etc etc…]
Not that hard to believe 😃
I appreciate your honesty, whiteknite. And I’m glad you’re here too, Catholics are cool.

I love your question - ‘Why did He create us?’ It’s an amazing concept, really. If you were infinitely powerful, infinitely intelligent, and infinitely good, why would you create the universe, the earth, and these crazy humans?

You’re right in your inference that He does not *need *us, but I think you are underestimating your value. Here’s how a Catholic would answer your insightful question: God created us to know Him, to love Him, and to serve Him in this life, and to be happy with Him in the next.

A Catholic would say that God IS love, and love is why He created us and what He created us for. Well what is love, then? Love is a union of persons - each giving and sacrificing themselves for the other…

So you are really onto something there when you perceive all that God requires of us - if you are designed to love, and God IS love, then all he can give you to fulfill your desires is Himself.

This is good stuff - thank you so much for posting here.
 
Hi again, A. How are you? God is there, because we are here. 🙂 . If He weren’t there, we wouldn’t be here. Simple as pie.
Which god?
So, carry on with your evidence that there is no God, but please find an argument other than one that pits faith and science against each other. It’s just not a legitimate argument.
Have you ever played ‘god of the gaps’? The gaps are getting fewer. If you try to give a full description of your god, you will see that it has much in common with an imaginary god that doesn’t really exist.
You could not so much as BLINK or DRAW A BREATH unless the True, Good, Almighty, and Loving God allows it…for He not only created you; but HOLDS you in existence every moment…praying to Him, and even the ability to do so…IS A GIFT, NOT A STRICT ORDER…He did not have to allow us communication with Him in this way…He could have left us lonely here on Earth…all of the things you mentioned are GIFTS…and He loves you so much that He even allows you to choose to ignore His existence. May God Bless You.
There have been many gods. If you will indicate which one you have chosen as your saviour, we could start there.
Oh, and do use his right name. I understand that you just call him ‘God’, but they all do that, it can be very confusing…
Well you have probably answered this question before, but I’m not going to reread the entire thread, so I was wondering why you are posting on a Catholic forum that you are an atheist?
After nearly five thousand posts I have read or written on these threads, I can only say ‘because I like it here’. (that’s the short and honest version. The whole story spans all five threads.
Also do you believe your atheism is a rational response to the universe, or an emotional one?
I am simply unconvinced.
Congrats on thread 5, A. 🙂

I think it’s kinda cool that you seem to like hanging around and talking with Catholics.

I visited one or two of your former threads, sorry I didn’t participate much, but I have read some and just want you to know that you’re welcome here in my book.

~~ the phoenix
Thanks very much. I have been made welcome here by nearly all the people who have stopped by, but it is still great to hear it from you!
 
Have you ever played ‘god of the gaps’? The gaps are getting fewer. If you try to give a full description of your god, you will see that it has much in common with an imaginary god that doesn’t really exist.
The teachings of the Catholic faith have remained consistent throughout our 2,000+ history, despite the fact that many of our clergy and laity have been, historically, also scientific and mathematic scholars. Where new scientific discoveries were made, those discoveries did not diminish our faith. In other words, the role of God in nature has *not *gradually reduced in Catholicism. Instead science and mathematics have served to reveal to us, as believers, the order of God’s creation which, in turn, enhances our understanding and knowledge of the Creator.

Can you explain what reasoning would lead you to reject the First Cause argument for the existence of God?

Overview,just in case:

existence-of-god.com/first-cause-argument.html
 
The teachings of the Catholic faith have remained consistent throughout our 2,000+ history,
what was vatican 2.0?
Can you explain what reasoning would lead you to reject the First Cause argument for the existence of God?
I was thinking that I would just post a link to a rebuttal, but I am not sure you would have taken it as lightly as intended. I have had no interest in it, so bear with me if I am not seeing something, but it seems laughable to me that anyone would fall for this.
If ‘everything needs a cause’, then you sneak in a rule change (your god doesn’t need a ‘cause’) it is so low a gag that it doesn’t even qualify as intellectually dishonest.
 
what was vatican 2.0?I was thinking that I would just post a link to a rebuttal, but I am not sure you would have taken it as lightly as intended. I have had no interest in it, so bear with me if I am not seeing something, but it seems laughable to me that anyone would fall for this.
If ‘everything needs a cause’, then you sneak in a rule change (your god doesn’t need a ‘cause’) it is so low a gag that it doesn’t even qualify as intellectually dishonest.
I realize that many atheist sites are filled with high-fiving and assurances that the First Cause argument is easily defeated, but I’ve never actually seen a reasoned rebuttal. I have never seen an atheist argument that convinced me, even slightly, that your case against God is rational.

So, you believe the past stretches back to infinity?
 
In other words, if you can convince me that motion (in this case, the creation of the universe and of life) was caused by a succession of infinite previous causes… into infinity mind you… then please do.

If you cannot lay out a reasonable argument for why I should believe that the causes that put the creation of the universe and of life into motion stretch back infinitely into the past, then explain to me how a non-eternal first cause can be possible. A non-eternal “first” cause would have to have been created by a prior cause, which just goes back to the idea of infinite non-eternal causes. Which is irrational.

If you cannot explain to me how a non-eternal first cause can be possible, then explain to me how the creation of the universe and of life was set into motion by a cause that was created from nothing. This is even less rational. Something came from nothing?

How can I reasonably believe that the first cause was created out of nothing? This is why the only rational explanation for me for the creation of the universe and of life is that there is an eternal entity which is the first cause. I call this first cause “God”.
 
I appreciate your honesty, whiteknite. And I’m glad you’re here too, Catholics are cool.

I love your question - ‘Why did He create us?’ It’s an amazing concept, really. If you were infinitely powerful, infinitely intelligent, and infinitely good, why would you create the universe, the earth, and these crazy humans?

You’re right in your inference that He does not *need *us, but I think you are underestimating your value. Here’s how a Catholic would answer your insightful question: God created us to know Him, to love Him, and to serve Him in this life, and to be happy with Him in the next.

A Catholic would say that God IS love, and love is why He created us and what He created us for. Well what is love, then? Love is a union of persons - each giving and sacrificing themselves for the other…

So you are really onto something there when you perceive all that God requires of us - if you are designed to love, and God IS love, then all he can give you to fulfill your desires is Himself.

This is good stuff - thank you so much for posting here.
Like i said earlier, He must be very vain to create a race of man to Love him and bow to his every wim,
Slavery springs to mind, Your ok as long as you do as your told or you face the hell thing if you dont, Throughout history people have use the God thing to put points across,
If you put a group of people on a island and never told them about God then Its proven that they would invent 1…
Its in mans nature to need a leader or idol.
 
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