I am Apostolic, you can't be Apostolic, Why I cant be Protestant

[Isaiah45_9]

Either way, they still are. Protestant is a historical term.

So, in your eyes: Every non-Catholic Christian is a Protestant?

Also, since we are on the subject of historical terms, apostolic refers to all the apostles, not just Peter and Paul.

In that regard, it is then possible to be apostolic without being Catholic or Protestant.

 

[FabiusMaximus]

Well I guess it can be seen as a pejorative. But then again, some Catholics feel that way about the term Roman Catholic.

IMHO both situations seem a little over the top

I personally am indifferent to being called a Protestant. I see no malicious intent in it. Now “heretic” on the other hand…

Catholics dislike the ‘Roman’ part? Why? I love adding the ‘Roman’ in ‘Roman Catholic.’ Just makes it sound fancier in my book.

 

[CopticChristian]

I don’t know if the Baptists consider themselves Protestants…

It is my understanding that they do not. They were as you know persecuted by Protestants including Luther and Calvin.

 

[FabiusMaximus]

So, in your eyes: Every non-Catholic Christian is a Protestant?

Also, since we are on the subject of historical terms, apostolic refers to all the apostles, not just Peter and Paul.

In that regard, it is then possible to be apostolic without being Catholic or Protestant.

I’ve heard Evangelicalism being referred to as “Third Wave” Christianity by my History professor.

 

[CopticChristian]

So, in your eyes: Every non-Catholic Christian is a Protestant?

Also, since we are on the subject of historical terms, apostolic refers to all the apostles, not just Peter and Paul.

In that regard, it is then possible to be apostolic without being Catholic or Protestant.

Protestanism is a form of thought. Do you believe in the Bible alone? Do you Believe in salvation through Faith alone? Do you believe that you are justified by Faith alone? Do you deny that there is a teaching Church? These thoughts however you came by them are Protestant. It is an awakening to many that accept these terms that do not realize that they are in the stream of Protestant thought. Doctrine of Grace via the Baptists is Calvinism. Calling yourself just a Christian does not, not make you not of the type that would be called Protestant.

Not every non-catholic Christian is a Protestant. Eastern Orthodox Churches are called sister Churches and not yet in full communion with the Catholic Church. I believe there are to this day Monophysite Christians, Nestorian Christians. I believe that they are not called Protestant. Protestant defines a certain mindset formulated in 1600 and to that is added at least 5 types, Anglican, Lutheran, Calvin, Methodist, Baptist, Anabaptist. Baptist and Anabaptist do not see themselves as Protestant however I do.

Apostolic Churches would include the Coptic Church, St. Thomas went to India and if you look you will see division as to Catholic, Oriental and Assyrian Churches. Protestants made their way to India, however No apostle taught Protestant thought.

Which Apostles do you believe founded other than Churches as described? I would be interested to know.

 

[CopticChristian]

I personally am indifferent to being called a Protestant. I see no malicious intent in it. Now “heretic” on the other hand…

Catholics dislike the ‘Roman’ part? Why? I love adding the ‘Roman’ in ‘Roman Catholic.’ Just makes it sound fancier in my book.

It actually makes historic sense in so far as the last empire to be defeated was Rome, and little did Rome know that Christ would rule Rome. Kinda makes it sound more powerful too.

 

[CopticChristian]

I’ve heard Evangelicalism being referred to as “Third Wave” Christianity by my History professor.

What does a history professor know about intrinsic/extrinsic justification or Apostolic succession, Church authority or the new religion started by white europeans? Third wave of what?

 

[FabiusMaximus]

What does a history professor know about intrinsic/extrinsic justification or Apostolic succession, Church authority or the new religion started by white europeans? Third wave of what?

Third wave of Christianity.

The first was the so-called Apostolic Churches - Catholicism and Orthodoxy.

The second was the Protestant Reformation - Lutheranism, Reformed, etc.

The third - Evangelicalism.

Evangelicalism can’t be directly a part of the Protestant Reformation. It developed far later, even if you want to argue that it was caused by the Reformation. It is still apart from it. Evangelicals aren’t entirely comfortable with some of the mainline Protestant groups like the Lutherans.

 

[CopticChristian]

Third wave of Christianity.

The first was the so-called Apostolic Churches - Catholicism and Orthodoxy.

The second was the Protestant Reformation - Lutheranism, Reformed, etc.

The third - Evangelicalism.

Evangelicalism can’t be directly a part of the Protestant Reformation. It developed far later, even if you want to argue that it was caused by the Reformation. It is still apart from it. Evangelicals aren’t entirely comfortable with some of the mainline Protestant groups like the Lutherans.

I don’t believe in this or the Branch theory. The tragedy is that there is no authority to take this argument to. If you disagree take it to the Church. Well now let’s see, let me see, no they disagree, how about this one, no,oh heck.

 

[FabiusMaximus]

I don’t believe in this or the Branch theory. The tragedy is that there is no authority to take this argument to. If you disagree take it to the Church. Well now let’s see, let me see, no they disagree, how about this one, no,oh heck.

It’s not about the branch theory. It’s simply a way of defining the major groups of Christianity that have come up since the Ascension of Christ. None of these are explanations on who has Apostolic Succession. It’s merely a way of categotrizing the major Christian movements. It’d be incorrect to classify Evangelicalism with Lutheranism because they are two worlds apart.

 

[CopticChristian]

Third wave of Christianity.

The first was the so-called Apostolic Churches - Catholicism and Orthodoxy.

The second was the Protestant Reformation - Lutheranism, Reformed, etc.

The third - Evangelicalism.

Evangelicalism can’t be directly a part of the Protestant Reformation. It developed far later, even if you want to argue that it was caused by the Reformation. It is still apart from it. Evangelicals aren’t entirely comfortable with some of the mainline Protestant groups like the Lutherans.

I had to think about this. The Old Covenant is one Covenant. The New Covenant is one Covenant. Where does Jesus point us to the wave theory?

 

[FabiusMaximus]

I had to think about this. The Old Covenant is one Covenant. The New Covenant is one Covenant. Where does Jesus point us to the wave theory?

This is a different discussion on whether Evangelicalism is true or Catholicism false. The point is that these time periods are given these names to differentiate between different groups. Evangelicalism developed long after the Protestant Reformation, and therefore, cannot be properly identified with the Protestant Reformation of the 1500s. Not to mention they are structurally and theologically fairly different from Lutheranism and Calvinism.

The whole issue on the New Covenant is another matter entirely.

 

[CopticChristian]

It’s not about the branch theory. It’s simply a way of defining the major groups of Christianity that have come up since the Ascension of Christ. None of these are explanations on who has Apostolic Succession. It’s merely a way of categotrizing the major Christian movements. It’d be incorrect to classify Evangelicalism with Lutheranism because they are two worlds apart.

In General Semantics the basic tennet is “the map is not the territory”.

My map says that there is One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church. All groups as you speak can be classified as Protestant evolution.

You map has a notion that they are all similar or waves. The problem is that these waves are evolving and differing in their types.

As a Zoology major, taxonomy is part of what you learn. The taxonomy of One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, founded by Apostles. has 20 scales, blue rings, yellow sounds and can be seen from the air. There are 22 Churches that can be found that exhibity all of these qualities.

The Taxonomy of Protestant thought, has no Apostolic founder, is a new religion coming out of white europe by those that used to have 20 scales, blue rings, yellow sound and can be seen from the air, this group differs, has blue scales for all groups, within those groups some blue scales also have green ribbons, some blue scales with green ribbons have yellow pumpkins and some yellow pumpkins and green ribbons have shed their yellow pumpkins. There is no way to discern individually similarity or unity in these groups except the majority have blue scales, differing as they distance themselves from their evolutionary origin.

This is may map, and why I am Apostolic why I cannot be Protestant

 

[Nicea325]

It’s not about the branch theory. It’s simply a way of defining the major groups of Christianity that have come up since the Ascension of Christ. None of these are explanations on who has Apostolic Succession. It’s merely a way of categotrizing the major Christian movements. It’d be incorrect to classify Evangelicalism with Lutheranism because they are two worlds apart.

Seems more like a label to describe a specific group of fundamentalist.Evagelicalism is not a new thought or movement. Isn’t evangelism part of the pilgrim church from the get-go? Isn’t it part of the mission of the early church?

 

[Nicea325]

In General Semantics the basic tennet is “the map is not the territory”.

My map says that there is One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church. All groups as you speak can be classified as Protestant evolution.

You map has a notion that they are all similar or waves. The problem is that these waves are evolving and differing in their types.

As a Zoology major, taxonomy is part of what you learn. The taxonomy of One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, founded by Apostles. has 20 scales, blue rings, yellow sounds and can be seen from the air. There are 22 Churches that can be found that exhibity all of these qualities.

The Taxonomy of Protestant thought, has no Apostolic founder, is a new religion coming out of white europe by those that used to have 20 scales, blue rings, yellow sound and can be seen from the air, this group differs, has blue scales for all groups, within those groups some blue scales also have green ribbons, some blue scales with green ribbons have yellow pumpkins and some yellow pumpkins and green ribbons have shed their yellow pumpkins. There is no way to discern individually similarity or unity in these groups except the majority have blue scales, differing as they distance themselves from their evolutionary origin.

This is may map, and why I am Apostolic why I cannot be Protestant

No matter how much it might hurt or sound offensive,but it is true,Protestanism has no Apostolic founder. All have men/women founders founded centuries later…a fact of life and history.

 

[CopticChristian]

No matter how much it might hurt or sound offensive,but it is true,Protestanism has no Apostolic founder. All have men/women founders founded centuries later…a fact of life and history.

I do not recall Jesus or the Apostles excusing themselves.

Now Pharisees you see it isn’t the way you think, I know this may be offensive, and it not my place to cause you trauma or pain, after all, these things can scar the family, do you have a therapist, anyway you see the Old Covenant is dead. Yup, up and died, but see not don’t take offense we have this New one and, say what, I hurt your feelings…

I think I heard blind guides, you brood of vipers, do you who say don’t lie, lie, do you who judge others…

It isn’t about feelings, it is not about hurt or offense, if the truth hurts it is not because of your intention.

What is your intention? Your intention is what defines the end result. It is the receiver that percieves something as other than you intended.

 

[Bearontherun]

Catholics dislike the ‘Roman’ part? Why? I love adding the ‘Roman’ in ‘Roman Catholic.’ Just makes it sound fancier in my book.

I have heard (I don’t remember where/who said this) that for some Catholics, the term Roman Catholic is bothersome because…

They say the term Catholic should be enough to distinguish the church.

The term Roman Catholic (rather than just Catholic) is often the preferred term by “anti-Catholics” who like like to make out a distinction between the “catholic” univeral church (to which they say they stake a claim) and the ROMAN Catholic Church which they sometimes call Romanism. They want to emphasize their belief that the RC church came into existence as a political power during the times of the Roman empire.

Some who call Catholicism “Roman Catholicism” perhaps do so in order to leave the term catholic free for them to claim in describing their own group.

Both Catholic and Roman Catholic sound fine to me personally.

 

[CopticChristian]

I have heard (I don’t remember where/who said this) that for some Catholics, the term Roman Catholic is bothersome because…

They say the term Catholic should be enough to distinguish the church.

The term Roman Catholic (rather than just Catholic) is often the preferred term by “anti-Catholics” who like like to make out a distinction between the “catholic” univeral church (to which they say they stake a claim) and the ROMAN Catholic Church which they sometimes call Romanism. They want to emphasize their belief that the RC church came into existence as a political power during the times of the Roman empire.

Some who call Catholicism “Roman Catholicism” perhaps do so in order to leave the term catholic free for them to claim in describing their own group.

Both Catholic and Roman Catholic sound fine to me personally.

I guess that whole distorted notion falls apart when they study the Coptic Catholic Church, that is part of the Roman Catholic Church. My Apostle is Mark. I belong to an Apostolic Church, whose yours? This is why I cannot be Protestant.

 

[CopticChristian]

Third wave of Christianity.

The first was the so-called Apostolic Churches - Catholicism and Orthodoxy.

The second was the Protestant Reformation - Lutheranism, Reformed, etc.

The third - Evangelicalism.

Evangelicalism can’t be directly a part of the Protestant Reformation. It developed far later, even if you want to argue that it was caused by the Reformation. It is still apart from it. Evangelicals aren’t entirely comfortable with some of the mainline Protestant groups like the Lutherans.

You know, I am giving this some serious thought. I know about the characters of the Apostolic Churches, the characters of the Protestant reformation, give me some identifiable names of the third wave. Certainly they must have names and be visible. Bet they are not invisible. Please name them for me.

 

[LinuxUser]

I thought and thought about lots and lots of stuff and thought that this was what I wanted to do. It is posting the Why I am Catholic in reverse. Do I not have the freedom to express myself?

It feels like your goading others or making fun of other Christians who are not Catholic, just because you are