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jesuislemec
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I don’t follow your reasoning, is this a spelling quiz?
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paarsurrey
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HiThe Episcopalians are allowing this? Unbelievable. One cannot be Christain and Muslim. Episcopalians should raise a loud stink about her being allowed to continue as a Christiand priest while she is also a member of Islam… a religion that has vowed to destroy Christianity. I just dont’ get how ignorant of reality her superiors must be…
There is nothing to get upset there. I think I have written here that I am in a sense a true Christian- follower of Jesus Prophet but I accept Quran and Muhammad according to Jesus’ prophecies and hence I call myself Ahmadi- a peaceful faith in Islam.
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eleonardo
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You are in no sense a Christian, sorry
Jesus did not prophecies Mohammed or the Kuran.
He did however warn us of false prophets.
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DL82
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Murtad, while I appreciate your zeal as a convert, Christianity is a faith, not a cultural imposition. The book of Revelation says that the glory of the nations will be brought into the city of God, and the name ‘Catholic’ means ‘all-embracing’. It is a universal faith, not a Eurocentric cultural imperialism.
Arabic is also the language of St Cyril of Jerusalem, and one of the languages in which the Divine Liturgy is celebrated. The Melkites and the Antiochian Church both use Arabic in their Divine Liturgy.
There have been Arab Christians, and Arabic pre-dates the Quran. The idea that Arabic is ungodly just because the Quran is written in it is as absurd as saying that Latin is ungodly just because Ovid’s Erotic Poems were written in it! Indeed the style of worship used by Muslims, their chanting and their prostrations, were used by Coptic Christians many centuries before Mohammed misappropriated them.
It is perfectly possible to be a devoutly believing and practicing Catholic Christian and a proud ethnic Arab, and we need to reach out to the Arab world from within their own culture, to show them that God wants them as individuals, not as clones of us in the West.
As for the quote about a Muslim being anyone who submits to God, I think that’s a very odd use of the term Muslim. This woman isn’t just saying she submits to God, but to the teachings of the Quran, which are contrary to Christianity.
It’s simply not possible to be a Christian and a Muslim. You cannot both believe that Jesus Christ is and is not the Son of God! It’s that simple.
No it isn’t, unfortunately
. With the Episcopalians, anything is possible.I think murtad means that if Muslims really worship God as they claim, then it would be as trinity, in other words, to be a real Muslim is to actually be a Christian.
Back this up please. You have, gone into a theological realm that I see no basis for.
Can you elaborate on my bolded portions?
"any Christian who submits to the HOLY TRINTY is A muslim???
I humbly ask you to reconsider such a rash reamark.
Are you willing to tell the Jw’s this? The Mormons this?
And all the others who gleefully deny the Holy Trinity?
Back this up please, or be silent.
I think he means well, even if the words are not too well chosen.
However, I won’t agree with the remarks on Arabic. Arabic is the liturgical language of many Christians and are among the most beautiful liturgies in the Catholic Church. The Melkites, for instance, celebrate the Byzantine Divine Liturgy in Arabic.
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BelFarfalla
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I don’t think that the early divergent forms of Christianity had the mandate to destory Christianity. Islam does. Hence her actions are very different.
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Kadaveri
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She’s at best a very confused Christian, not a Muslim.
True the word ‘Muslim’ *does * etymologically mean ‘one who submits to God’, but it’s meaning in Islam is submission on God’s terms, not on your own terms. As far as the teachings of Islam are concerned, you quite simply can not be a Muslim and believe that Jesus (as) is the Son of God or in any way divine.
True the word ‘Muslim’ *does * etymologically mean ‘one who submits to God’, but it’s meaning in Islam is submission on God’s terms, not on your own terms. As far as the teachings of Islam are concerned, you quite simply can not be a Muslim and believe that Jesus (as) is the Son of God or in any way divine.
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Greg27
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In terms of inter-religious dialogue, it is correct to say Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in one God and one God only. In this sense, there is no fundamental difference between the faiths of Abraham.
However, at the same time Muslims and Jews do not worship God in the sense they conceive of God to be a Trinity. This is unique to Christianity.
Islam, like all world religions, contains many great thinkers, saints, doctors of their faith, philosophers, theologians, and many people who dearly love God and wish to do his will. I also believe it is acceptable to say God shows his love and face to Muslims who repent of their sins, turn to God in faith, trust, love and hope, who show justice and peace towards other Muslims and those of other faiths, and God will reward Muslims who seek him out sincerely by granting them the beatific vision.
However, I don’t believe it is possible to be a Christian and a Muslim at the same time. One can really only genuinely follow fully one path to God or the Absolute, as the best teachers of any religion say quite clearly. The best one can do is become a master of that tradition, and then judge what other traditions say in light of those traditions. With a Christian, all other religions are judged in the light of what has been shown to us about God in the life, ministry, death, and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. Likewise in Buddhism all is judged in the light of the Buddha and enlightenment, in Islam in the light of Mohammed and the Qu’ran, and so on.
However, at the same time Muslims and Jews do not worship God in the sense they conceive of God to be a Trinity. This is unique to Christianity.
Islam, like all world religions, contains many great thinkers, saints, doctors of their faith, philosophers, theologians, and many people who dearly love God and wish to do his will. I also believe it is acceptable to say God shows his love and face to Muslims who repent of their sins, turn to God in faith, trust, love and hope, who show justice and peace towards other Muslims and those of other faiths, and God will reward Muslims who seek him out sincerely by granting them the beatific vision.
However, I don’t believe it is possible to be a Christian and a Muslim at the same time. One can really only genuinely follow fully one path to God or the Absolute, as the best teachers of any religion say quite clearly. The best one can do is become a master of that tradition, and then judge what other traditions say in light of those traditions. With a Christian, all other religions are judged in the light of what has been shown to us about God in the life, ministry, death, and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. Likewise in Buddhism all is judged in the light of the Buddha and enlightenment, in Islam in the light of Mohammed and the Qu’ran, and so on.
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BelFarfalla
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I basically agree with you on this…
However, she could be a very good Muslim now seeking to use her possition as a preist bring Christians into Islam. Either way she is very wrong for what she is doing.
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Booklover
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Submission without freedom is evil. It’s nothing more than complete slavery of mind and body, and a denial of God’s gift of free will!
Vickie
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st_lucy
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The bold is an oxymoron. You cannot call yourself a TRUE Christian but than deny in the same breath that Christ is TRULY God.
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Kadaveri
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Hi Vickie, I hope you’re well. Islam’s teachings on submitting to God really aren’t any different to that which you’ll find in the Bible. For instance Paul wrote in the Epistle to the Romans:
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Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved.
For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge.
Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not **submit **to God’s righteousness. *(Romans 10:2-4)
This is something both our faith’s share.
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Contarini
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That is a malicious falsehood. There are two Episcopal churches in the country that do not use the Nicene Creed in their worship. This is indeed a problem, but it does not change the fact that as a national church (or a worldwide communion) we uncompromisingly adhere to the Nicene Creed and (with these two unfortunate exceptions) use it in worship every Sunday.
Edwin
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BelFarfalla
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What is your take on this Episcopalian-Priestest/Muslim?
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frnate
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BelFarfalla
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Christain pornography? What are you talking about?
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frnate
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Just trying to illustrate absurdity by being absurd.
A faithful Christian CANNOT be a faithful Muslim and vice-versa, just as there can never be any such thing as Christian pornography.
Sorry if I caught you off guard.
Peace,
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BelFarfalla
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you got me on that one…
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hamba2han
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If being Christian means to follow Jesus (pbuh), then Muslims are indeed the best Christians.
Not quite sure why she is hesitating to become 100% Muslim but God-willing, she will come around to it soon.
Not quite sure why she is hesitating to become 100% Muslim but God-willing, she will come around to it soon.
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