I am expected to teach artificial contraception to women

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rpp said:
A priest, or even a good rabbi, would give you a better answer. priestsforlife.org/
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Exactly. If you want answers to moral or theological issues, a priest or a rabbi is a much better bet than a doctor or a nurse. If you want medical adivce, a doctor or nurse would be your best bet.
 
Valke2 said:
I see. ANd should a devout catholic postman refuse to deliver my Victoria Secret cataloug or my Big & Busty DVD?

Should a devout catholic bus driver refuse to stop at bus stop that is in front of a planned parenthood building?

Should a devout catholic chef refuse to serve desert to an obese patron who has eaten two meals and consumed a loaf of bread (i.e., a glutton?)
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Legitimate questions. The Church has a traditional way of parsing them out. We see that in the OP’s case.

It is another thread but I offer this as a way of help:
The principle of licit cooperation in evil
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The first fundamental distinction to be made is that between formal and material cooperation. Formal cooperation is carried out when the moral agent cooperates with the immoral action of another person, sharing in the latter’s evil intention. On the other hand, when a moral agent cooperates with the immoral action of another person, without sharing in the intention, it is a case of material cooperation.

Material cooperation can be further divided into categories of immediate – direct – and mediate – indirect – depending on whether the cooperation is in the execution of the sinful action per se, or whether the agent acts by fulfilling the conditions – either by providing instruments or products – which make it possible to commit the immoral act.

Furthermore, forms of proximate cooperation and remote cooperation can be distinguished, in relation to the “distance” – be it in terms of temporal space or material connection – between the act of cooperation and the sinful act committed by someone else. Immediate material cooperation is always proximate, while mediate material cooperation can be either proximate or remote…
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Texas_Roofer said:
Guys
I do not wish to be argumentative but if a doctor advised me to lie on an insurance claim, misrepresent a condition, be involved in an abortion, euthanize grandpa, etc… That would not constitute sin on me. It is only when I act on that suggestion that I bring sin on to myself. When the doctor “recommends” an immoral action the doctor does sin this is rare. When the doctor “advises of the options” the doctor only states truth and is not in sin.
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What do you mean by advising options? If he advises suicide is that morally acceptable? It may be an option?
 
Valke2 said:
Exactly. If you want answers to moral or theological issues, a priest or a rabbi is a much better bet than a doctor or a nurse. If you want medical adivce, a doctor or nurse would be your best bet.
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There is no way to separate out morality from medical advice. They exist together.
 
Texas_Roofer said:
Guys
I do not wish to be argumentative but if a doctor advised me to lie on an insurance claim, misrepresent a condition, be involved in an abortion, euthanize grandpa, etc… That would not constitute sin on me. It is only when I act on that suggestion that I bring sin on to myself. When the doctor “recommends” an immoral action the doctor does sin this is rare. When the doctor “advises of the options” the doctor only states truth and is not in sin.
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I disagree with certain parts of this. If a doctor makes known a morally corrupt procedure, such as euthansia (legal where I live :mad:), then the doctor sins. When any medical practicioner gives medical advice, it carries significant weight. I am a computer programmer, I don’t know a thing about medicine; I listen to my doctor. That authority puts doctors in a special position.

I agree with you in so far as what I do with the advice I receive.
 
fix said:
Legitimate questions. The Church has a traditional way of parsing them out. We see that in the OP’s case.

It is another thread but I offer this as a way of help:
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I thought that was very interesting, thanks. Sounded very talmudic 🙂
 
Sorry, but there’s no escape from this moral dilemma, simply because it IS a **moral **dilemma. If you have the courage of your convictions, you’ll refuse to do it and be willing to take the consequences.

If not, you’ll weazel out of it and show you don’t have the courage of your convictions.
 
Thank you so much for all your responses.

I’ve read it over and over. I’ve read the sites that were recommended too. All your comments were helpful.

I’ve decided to go with my gut feel. The reason that I do not believe in artificial contraception is not merely religious–it is based on conclusions that I have made from what was taught to us in school and what I have read in my researches.

I will talk to the instructor about my dilemma. If they want me to talk about NFP—I would gladly do it—but they’d have ask someone else to demostrate artificial method (if they want to) —because I would never do it.

I do not want to be responsible in leading others to sin. Neither do I want to hurt anyone (the unborn, the mother), knowing the possible consequences of these methods.

If asked about the other methods than NFP—then I will answer them as I understand it (and you know where I stand), but will not volunteer information.

Hopefully, in this way, I will be able to pass through this dilemma without compromising my beliefs. 🙂
 
I respect your opinion and truly wish you the best of luck. I hope everything works out well for you.
 
TAKE TWO…regarding my second to the last post…

Sorry for being so indecisive:o …I’ve realized now that its sooooo… hard to make decisions when it comes to moral dilemmas. Who says its easy to be a Christian? :rolleyes:

Anyway, I’ve realized that it would go against my purpose to lead others to the right path if I take the easy way out and just concentrate on NFP because that would allow others to promote the methods I do not agree with.

In that way I realize, I would also fail my duty as a nurse to my patient and most especially to my God.

If I teach in the wrong manner that leads others to sin…I commit the sin of commision. If I fail to teach what I think is wrong with artificial contraception…I commit the **sin of ommision. **

There really is no escaping it. :confused:

I will try my best to present both sides in the way that I understand it.

However, I draw a line in demonstrating artificial contraception *(EX: how to put on a condom) *in case a patient persists in choosing the other methods I do not agree with because I will definitely not be comfortable doing that.

Please bear with my indecisiveness as this was really a hard decision to make for myself. 🙂

Again, thanks everyone for your help.
 
Ma.Eugenia said:
What do I do if after explaining the pros and cons of both artificial contraception and NFP, but still, the patient chooses artificial?
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There’s nothing you can do. If that’s what the patient chooses after you present all viable options THEN that’s what they choose. That person is simply using their free will that God gave them to choose what is best for them.
Ma.Eugenia said:
What if I am asked to demonstrate, for example, how to place a condom?

Should I do the demonstration for the patient even with my heart “bleeding” and my conscience “crying” ?–just for the grade?
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You need to do it or back out and leave it to someone else who CAN do it. Those are your ONLY options.

However, if you continually back out because it conflicts with your beliefs as a Catholic then you wouldn’t be doing what you went to school for - now would you?

If you want to be a nurse, be a nurse. Do what would be expected of you.
Ma.Eugenia said:
What if I encounter a woman who wants to take contraceptive pills—should I encourage her or discourage her?
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AGAIN: If you want to be a nurse, be a nurse. Do what would be expected of you.

Present the PROs and CONs of the pill. Let her decide. There is no encouraging or discouraging of to do or not to do expect in that she needs to be comfortable with whatever decision she chooses for herself.
 
Ma. Eugenia, sometimes we have to do things we don’t like doing or don’t want to do but we still have to do them anyway. Please keep that in mind if you want to be a nurse.
 
CatholicGal1977 said:
There’s nothing you can do. If that’s what the patient chooses after you present all viable options THEN that’s what they choose. That person is simply using their free will that God gave them to choose what is best for them.
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Not all choices are moral choices. That means we have an obligation not to participate in another’s sin.
However, if you continually back out because it conflicts with your beliefs as a Catholic then you wouldn’t be doing what you went to school for - now would you?
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The definition of a nurse does not include doing things that are immoral, no matter what certain secular authorities declare or teach.
If you want to be a nurse, be a nurse. Do what would be expected of you.
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Right. Do good and avoid evil.
Present the PROs and CONs of the pill. Let her decide. There is no encouraging or discouraging of to do or not to do expect in that she needs to be comfortable with whatever decision she chooses for herself.
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Would you say that for abortion, too? What are the Pros of choosing an immoral means to a good end?
 
CatholicGal1977 said:
Ma. Eugenia, sometimes we have to do things we don’t like doing or don’t want to do but we still have to do them anyway. Please keep that in mind if you want to be a nurse.
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Doing things we do not like is part of life. Doing immoral things is wrong. Standing up for the truth that would mean some persecution is what being a Christian means. We are all called to be a sign of contradiction.
 
CatholicGal1977 said:
Ma. Eugenia, sometimes we have to do things we don’t like doing or don’t want to do but we still have to do them anyway. Please keep that in mind if you want to be a nurse.
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Do you believe as a Catholic there is ever a moral line that one should not cross regardless of job description or duties?
 
I would suggest doing the same as she did:

You should explain each artificial method in a simplified manner that emphasized its negatives, risks, poor performance of preventing pregnancy and STD’s, but at the same time, emphasized the positives of NFP. Explain the positive of having several children, social, developmental, etc. Explaining that even the Catholic Church does not expect women to “have as many children as possible”.
 
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