I am mortified

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In my experience, toys with multiple pieces (even quiet pieces) are not a good idea (too easy to be thrown and if you have to make a quick exit, too hard to regather, and somehow, despite their age, they always seem know how many pieces there are and are usually never satisfied unless they get out ALL of them.) sympathetic smile

What I do suggest is:

a) keep taking him to church when you can because that’s how he’s going to learn - and how people are going to get to know you (and if someone has an objection to him, that’s their problem). Most people are understanding if not welcoming, in my experience. Yes, take him out if he’s being noisy but try doing a finger to his lips to remind him to be quiet in church - it will take time, and it won’t always work, but the message will get through eventually.

b) practice sitting still / quiet time at home! Have reading time once a day for a few minutes where you teach him to sit still and “read” with you. Keep your voice very quiet and for this kind of “reading” (as opposed to interactive bedtime reading) keep it to just a phrase or two - try using facial expressions and hand gestures to “tell” what’s happening and encourage him to interact with you - but also in gestures and facial expressions. Also have listening time when sitting outside - time where both of you are quiet and just listen for sounds of birds/planes/bees/etc. Express your delight but again do it with facial expressions and quiet hand gestures. All of this shows him that it’s possible to “look” and “listen” without being verbal (something I think we could all learn more of sometimes! LOL!)

c) Use silent communication yourself in church - frowning face for “no”, big smile and nod for “yes”. Don’t be afraid to use thumbs up and silent fives as well. Emphasize how you hold your hands in prayer, help him make the sign of the cross on himself. He WILL copy you (eventually) and how you behave is a powerful message for him. (Never understood parents who failed to encourage - through a quick smile, nod, pat - their children when they were being good, or the ones who loudly were whispering what they were going to do to their kids if they weren’t quiet.)

d) Know that it all ends eventually. It’s been 27 years since I took my first baby to mass, and it’s only now that my youngest is 8 that I’m able to spend nearly 98% of the time focused on prayer (2% of the time, someone is bored/decides not to recite responses/figures it’s a great time to harass a sibling/etc. but it’s getting rarer every week). In general though, it’s such a pleasure when I’m able to have all my kids in the pew with me. All those masses when I spent more time outside the pew/building than in, all the “looks” I got, all the prayers I missed while distracting my child so they wouldn’t be a distraction themselves, it was all worth it 🙂
Thank you for all the suggestions. I’ll try to practice special quiet time with him at home. This will probably help. I think, too, the more we go the better it will be because he’ll become more familiar. Whenever he’s someplace new, he wants to get down and explore. Once it’s old news to him, he won’t be so tempted. 😃
 
That set has too many little bits to throw around, IMO. I think the Quiet Book or a soft nativity set would be better alternatives.
Ah, it may be good for the car or at home, then. I had never thought of a plush nativity set. Thanks for the idea!
 
At that age, we were happy to get through the procession, and a few of the opening responses. Child did not usually go back in after we came out. We wandered around outside.

By 2, the goal was the homily, and the child was expected to sit quietly and be [hopefully] bored/hot/cold outside on the wall if they did not sit quietly inside. That way they could throw a tantrum about it without bothering anyone inside. It is always better/more fun to be inside than outside.

By 3, we could usually make it through a normal, hourish mass.

We encourage them to run outside prior to mass- one of us gets seats, and we have a nice area to run in until just before mass begins.

We get very excited when mass begins- what color is father wearing? What book is he holding? Do you see the thurifer with incense? How many people are proceeding up the aisle? etc in the very beginning. It seems to help them focus.

The “Travel Aquadoodle” was our BEST friend from 2-3. We pulled it out around the homily, and it would keep attention through the consecration/our turn for communion.
 
We get very excited when mass begins- what color is father wearing? What book is he holding? Do you see the thurifer with incense? How many people are proceeding up the aisle? etc in the very beginning. It seems to help them focus.

The “Travel Aquadoodle” was our BEST friend from 2-3. We pulled it out around the homily, and it would keep attention through the consecration/our turn for communion.
I love both of those ideas.:thumbsup:We couldn’t see anyone coming up the aisle today and were actually sitting to the side of the action. We’ll try to get in front and up front so he can watch everyone.

Why did I not think of an Aquadoodle? He’s just now starting to enjoy doodling with pens and pencils (still doesn’t like crayons).
 
As others have addressed, there is absolutely no reason to feel embarrassed, mortified, etc. A church filled with the noise of little children is a church with a good future!

I have four children myself and know how hard it can be to manage them. Our parish has a children’s room, children’s liturgy, and also speakers outside, so that’s great. But I try to sit with them in the main section of the church so they are more involved in what’s going on. We sit at the side, so if we need to escape we can easily duck out. I prefer not to sit too close to the front, because I know the children can be a distraction to others, so that’s just something to keep in mind. I find my children behave better in the main church than in the children’s room anyway.

There’s nothing wrong with bringing books for them, and crayons/paper for them to do some colouring-in. Anything that keeps them amused for a little while.
 
He’s just now starting to enjoy doodling with pens and pencils (still doesn’t like crayons).
Our 4 yo son has issues on the autism spectrum… so doodling, etc. isn’t really something he does. Here’s how I use crayons and paper at Mass, even when he was much, much younger. I quietly draw him pictures… Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends, our family, our pets, the animals at the zoo that we like, his name. If he or I talk while I draw, it is very quietly. So, I’m drawing for him while I listen as best I can to Mass and respond with the prayers of Mass if I can. He might suggest what I draw next.

You will find lots of ways to interact with your child to help you stay in Mass. Its always okay to leave and okay to return during Mass.

For our other children, we had a front row seat (or maybe as far back as row 3). I’d quietly tell the children to look at things on the altar and the color of Father’s vestments as someone else mentioned here. Little books that show pictures of the Mass would work well, so Mom or Dad points to the pictures and then points to the items in church.

Stay after Mass and talk a walk around the church. As your child sees more things in church, he’s happy to look for them from his pew. Windows, ceiling, candles, flowers, statues, Stations of the Cross, baptismal fount, flags.

You can light a prayer candle after Mass. Kids like to drop their money in the slot for their candle. Little kids love to dip their fingers (hands) into the holy water fount to bless themselves.
 
I wouldn’t feel bad because your under 2 year old had trouble sitting still for Mass. My son was nearly 4 because he could handle staying quiet for the length of Mass. Some toddlers can do that, but many others can’t. We just kept trying, and eventually it worked. We took quiet church-only toys and books, which helped.

BTW, I don’t know if it is true or not, but I was told by the principal of our elementary school about a study she read. Supposedly, little boys have a different nerve pattern at the base of the spine than do little girls. The result is, it could actually be physically uncomfortable for some little boys to sit for long (or what they perceive as long).
 
In the vestibule of our church there is a statue of the Pieta.

saintpetersbasilica.org/Altars/Pieta/Pieta.htm

My son loves to touch Jesus’ toes and belly button on that statue.

You will find things in the church that are special to your child that he loves to go see over and over before or after Mass.
 
Thank you, everyone. I think it will help to explore a bit before and after church. Part of the problem is that he probably wanted to get down to look at everything for himself. And he’s a great kid. Sometimes I need to remind myself that he’s not even two years old yet. 🙂 I really appreciate all the suggestions.
 
I am so thankful that our church has daycare for 18 months - 3 years old at our 9:30am Mass. Once a child is 3 they go to Sunday school until their First Holy Communion when they are then expected to join the rest of the congregation in weekly Mass. Since my daughter is only 2 she goes to the childcare room while I am blessed in being able to focus on the homily and other aspects of Mass without much distraction. My DH does not attend church with us and, when I did take her into the sanctuary/cry room with me, I found that I spent so much time trying to keep her quiet and still that I would leave Mass feeling less faith-filled, less blessed, and less inclined to come the following week. I actually stopped going to Mass for a time because I was mentally exhausted from wrangling her every week. When I found out about the childcare option I practically jumped with glee!

I know that others may not agree, but I feel that whatever grace Abby may get from attending Mass right now doesn’t outweigh the lessening of grace I get from not being able to participate in Mass. Maybe if I’d been better about taking her every week when she was young it would have made a difference, but right now I know that what I’m doing is best for our situation right now. Good luck to you and whatever you decide to do!
 
I hope you will stick with it, and not give up, whether you choose to take your little one to mass sometimes or regularly. If your church has no crying room, no childcare, and no children were in the kitchen, the only area where you could go, maybe all the young parents have been discouraged from going and given up. Or maybe all the children were sitting like perfect angels in the pews? Hard to believe.
Maybe you could talk to Father about what could be done for young children? It would be sad to think that it’s a parish with only older people in it, since children are the future of the church.
When my youngest daughter was little it was like wrestling an alligator to keep her in mass. Seriously, it was horrendous. Now she’s a teenager and it’s a struggle again to keep her in mass, but she does go. I think the difference would be having a strong father figure to encourage a child. Maybe even if your husband doesn’t attend, he could encourage your son to go and behave at church. 21 months is not too young to start saying, “Take care of mommy and behave at church.”
 
I just wanted to mention something about the ‘look’ you got at mass. I know I can be one to ‘give a look’ when actually, I am trying to think of something to say in a friendly way. When someone makes a face to tell me I am being impolite, I am so embarrassed, I don’t bother explaining I was trying to think of something nice. However, when someone gives me a nice smile, I usually give a nice smile back and it passes over.

I have to wonder when your son started to fuss, if the woman who ‘gave the look’ was not actually trying to do something to help. I have often been at mass, or in a plane or in a situation where a mom just could NOT get her kid to quiet down. I would try to waive or fan a book or do something to distract the kid and get the kids interest to get the kid to quiet down and help mom out. Maybe this lady was trying to figure out what was wrong because if all you needed was a tissue she would have gladly handed you one.

Don’t worry about the look. Just smile politely and see if it goes over OK

Angie
 
I definitely plan to stick with it. I’m going to meet with the secretary this week to get some more reading materials. Unfortunately, the regular priest is out of the country until the second week of June, so I’ll need to wait until he’s back to discuss where and when I’d start with RCIA.

I wish I could say that the woman intended the look in a kind, helpful way, but that was not the case. It was a scowl/grimace and she quickly turned back around. She may not have realized that she made the face, of course, but it was certainly irritation she was expressing. I’ll take it with a grain of salt, though. We all have bad days. Maybe that was one for her. 🙂
 
There’s nothing wrong with bringing books for them, and crayons/paper for them to do some colouring-in. Anything that keeps them amused for a little while.
At 21 months, I was still crayoning the walls - I wouldn’t bring crayons (or anything else that would be expensive to paint over) to Church at this age. I like the Aquadoodle idea, because the “pen” can only mark the Aquadoodle - it can’t mark up the walls or the pew.
 
Thanks; I’ll try. I was able to keep him quiet for about 10 minutes by letting him zip and unzip my wallet. I brought a book for him, but he had no interest. Perhaps busy things with buttons and zippers (like a Quiet Book) can keep him occupied for a bit as long as I use them only for Mass so he doesn’t tire of them?

Would this be inappropriate to bring to Mass for him? I wouldn’t get all the pieces out at once, of course.
I don’t like to bring them any books, food, toys. Let them learn to sit still.
 
At 21 months, I was still crayoning the walls - I wouldn’t bring crayons (or anything else that would be expensive to paint over) to Church at this age. I like the Aquadoodle idea, because the “pen” can only mark the Aquadoodle - it can’t mark up the walls or the pew.
Good point. He’s not much into crayons yet, but he has colored a few things inappropriately (my Kindle and our TV). Thank goodness we live in the age of magic erasers! 🙂
 
I don’t like to bring them any books, food, toys. Let them learn to sit still.
I would probably take this route if I wasn’t just coming into the faith myself, but I’d like to be present for as much of Mass as I possibly can so I can learn. I’ll go in and out as I need to in order to minimize the disturbance to others, but I hope to do that as little as possible.
 
This morning, I tried to go to Mass for the first time with my son (21 months old). I’ve only been one other time myself, a few months ago. We didn’t even get through 15 minutes of the service before he started “fussing”. He wasn’t really crying at this point, just whining a little and saying, “Mom.” Understandably, we got “the look” from a woman a couple of rows in front of us.

There is no cry room…just the kitchen/dining area that’s right off the sanctuary (not sure if that’s the correct term). He cried and fussed a bit in there. I was able to catch a few more minutes of the service from that room before he had a complete meltdown. I tried to take him outside a couple of times, but we had to leave after about 35 minutes or so.

I am mortified. I feel like a failure as a mother. Perhaps if I had been taking him to church all along (like I should have) this wouldn’t have happened. I’m so disappointed because I wanted to talk to someone about RCIA and converting today. I’ve been looking forward to it all week.

Sorry for the vent/whine…I’m just embarrassed and heartbroken that things did not work out the way I had hoped.
Anyone who shoots “the look” in church needs to be shot the look right back. :mad: If Jesus was in church, would you even care what anyone else was doing? Would you even notice a fussy baby? Oh wait, Jesus IS there! Do you think Jesus would say, “You are a failure as a parent, you need to leave because you’re distracting Mrs. Johnson!” I doubt it. In fact, Jesus would probably say something like “Let the children come to me, and do not prevent them; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” Oh wait, that’s right He did say something EXACTLY like that!

This is how the priest at my church dealt with all those people who were giving the look to a crying baby. forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=755808
 
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