I am not catholic yet,

[allhers]

Actually, my parochial vicar was the one who took that big, bold step, announcing at all of our Masses this past Sunday. I am very proud of him for having the courage to take that stand. Now, while I can’t speak for Fr. David, that is not to say that he did not, perhaps, make the same announcement at his Masses.

Very good, then lets change my sentance to read this…stick to it and then announce…

 

[Lux_et_Tenebrae]

If I were you I’d get a different spiritual advisor too.

And if I were you, I’d pray rather than judge. As I said, even moral ethics professors disagree on the exceptions to the obedience rule, so who are you to make a determination and judge a priest?

Lux

 

[allhers]

And if I were you, I’d pray rather than judge. As I said, even moral ethics professors disagree on the exceptions to the obedience rule, so who are you to make a determination and judge a priest?

Lux

Same goes right back at you in regards to what Fr. David toldl you.

I can judge that if a Priest is giving me information that is not in keeping with Catholic Church teaching that I ought not to take his advice. I ought to find one that is in keeping with Church teachings instead.

By the way, discerrnment is prayer…is it from me? is it from God? is it from the evil one?

When you discern that something isn’t right, you continue with prayer, you find out the truth (investigate Church teaching on the matter), and then you stick with it.

How are you going to find out the truth if you just listen to one person who might be wrong? Its up to each individual to find out the truth.

 

[FrDavid96]

And if I were you, I’d pray rather than judge. As I said, even moral ethics professors disagree on the exceptions to the obedience rule, so who are you to make a determination and judge a priest?

Lux

Lux,

Moral ethics professors (or moral theologians, or whatever we might call them) would never say that a person should disobey a higher authority, one which is competent to promulgate law in a certain matter, in favor of obedience to a lesser authority, which is not competent to give that law; especially when both the person in question, and the lesser authority are aware of the law as given by competent authority.

To make it more concrete, they would not say “disobey the pope because the priest told you to”

Your line of reasoning is well-known, and it’s often called the “Nuremberg defense.” I’ve tried to avoid pointing that out, but at this point, I don’t see an alternative, since I’ve been unable to convince you any other way. And I beg other posters here to please not expand upon that to mean more that what it does.

 

[Lux_et_Tenebrae]

I am sorry, but your comparison is way off. Liturgical norms are not in the same category.

I am done here. Sorry for the confusion, and I will pray for charity on all sides, and well as good discernment, rather than judging.

Lux

 

[allhers]

I am sorry, but your comparison is way off. Liturgical norms are not in the same category.

I am done here. Sorry for the confusion, and I will pray for charity on all sides, and well as good discernment, rather than judging.

Lux

ahhhh, the fight or flight syndrome…I have to run now (because you are all getting too close to the truth and that is making me uncomfortable…)

We’ll pray for you too.

You and your spiritual advisor are to accept the teachings with obedience and humility as Jesus taught.

In other words, submit your will and personal preferences to the teachings of the Church.

If we all just did what we thought was right instead of what indeed is taught as right, I
can see how we ended up with some parishes where so many are complaining that “new age” and other things are creeping in, or have been creeping in for so long in their parishes, like hand holding, and talking in Mass and clapping in Mass and all the other things that people on here complaining about. The fact that this blessing people while going to Holy Communion is even a topic on this thread shows how far off people are.

Then you have a good Priest, like Fr. David here, who shows you the reasons for the truth
and everything and you say that he is the one who is wrong.

Well gee, why don’t we all make up our own way, become Protestant and forget the whole thing

(sadly, some go that far) Anything but the Truth.

 

[benedictgal]

The Church, through the CDWDS, gave five perfectly good and sound reasons as to why it should not be done, including relevant citations from Canon Law and liturgical authoritative documents issued by the same Congregation. The CDWDS is not contradicting itself. When we start relativizing things and challenging them, it seems, as I see it, that we are thumbing our noses at the supreme authority of the Church in this particular matter. It’s a clear instance, as I see it, of the dictatorship of relativism creeping in and distorting things. As I read the document, I see no loopholes in it making exceptions or allowances. Believe me, having worked in the Texas House for 12 years, I know a loophole when I see one. I have helped open some and I have helped close some through legislation that I wrote for my former bosses.

Fr. David, as the sole priest participating in this particular thread, has given clear cut and sound arguments as to why we should adhere to the observations issued by the CDWDS. My parochial vicar, in his homily, vehemently spoke out against our making “improvements” to the Mass, something that is not within our power to do. In fact, he cited the same principles set forth in the CDWDS document. Both of them should be commended for urging us to adhere to the supreme authority of the Church in this matter.