I am so dismayed with our world

[Holly3278]

Hey everyone. I am so dismayed, sad, and angry right now with our world. An activist judge just ruled today that “gay marriage” is now legal in my state of Indiana effective immediately! I am so incredibly depressed about this it isn’t even funny.

 

[TheDoors]

The issue that I’ve always had with the word “marriage” being part of the legal lexicon is that it very clearly violates the first amendment. As our government can not establish a state religion, it has no business putting on the trappings of a religious authority by performing religious rites. Would we accept a judge performing a baptism at city hall? A police chief serving communion in a public school?

So why do we accept a justice of the peace performing a marriage?

 

[ynotzap]

I too agree with you, but Satan tries in every way to kill our spirits, but we have a Champion.
I have to keep reminding myself,that “Where sin abounds, grace abounds more”

It’s really amazing that this happened when a woman filed a complaint that she couldn’t claim her companion on her IRS tax return. So they out of “expediency” figured that the best way to handle the situation was to “Marry them” to avoid all the problems that it would entail otherwise. Then many jumped on the band-wagon, now many states are affected God has the first and last word in everything, and those in between. Look what happened when divorce became world wide. Who suffered the most, the children. When things are not done
God’s way you can expect trouble I get some consolation understanding the fact that many can not give what they don’t have, and that is Christian Faith so we mustn’t judge them, we can judge the act, but not the individual. There is such a need for the “Enlightenment” that comes from Catholic Christianity, a need for Evangelization world wide. With each generation that is born the whole thing starts over and over, so the Good News has to continue to be proclaimed.

 

[Ana_v]

The issue that I’ve always had with the word “marriage” being part of the legal lexicon is that it very clearly violates the first amendment. As our government can not establish a state religion, it has no business putting on the trappings of a religious authority by performing religious rites. Would we accept a judge performing a baptism at city hall? A police chief serving communion in a public school?

So why do we accept a justice of the peace performing a marriage?

The difference is that the examples you gave are sacraments. Marriage is not necessarily a sacrament; only between the Baptized is it sacramental. Sacraments belong to the Church. Marriage belongs to human nature… it is a natural institution and a public good therefore the government has a prerogative to protect the integrity of the institution, though it belongs exclusively to the Church to regulate sacramental marriage.

We shouldn’t confuse spiritual with religious. It’s true that marriage is traditionally a religious rite, but need not be. The Church recognize civil marriages between non-Catholics. However, all valid marriages are spiritual given they are sealed by God.

 

[kozlosap]

In the last year, every single case of states trying to block gay unions have been overturned in the federal courts. The Equal Protection Clause is part of the Constitution for a very good reason. I cant imagine you really thought that the Indiana ban would not be overthrown. On this issue,the train has left the station, lets work on helping those in need instead of becoming obsessed with social issues.

 

[3DOCTORS]

In the last year, every single case of states trying to block gay unions have been overturned in the federal courts. The Equal Protection Clause is part of the Constitution for a very good reason. I cant imagine you really thought that the Indiana ban would not be overthrown. On this issue,the train has left the station, lets work on helping those in need instead of becoming obsessed with social issues.

You have spotted a trend. Sadly, it does seem to be a battle almost lost.

Is there any reason a person cannot help people in need and be concerned with issues, which in this case, are moral as well as social?

Holly, I feel your pain.

 

[Sparkythedog]

Hey everyone. I am so dismayed, sad, and angry right now with our world. An activist judge just ruled today that “gay marriage” is now legal in my state of Indiana effective immediately! I am so incredibly depressed about this it isn’t even funny.

Aww come on now, dry those tears. It’s not all bad. I hear Russia’s still pretty anti gay. And Uganda. And a lot of the Middle East.

There you are now. Stiff upper lip.

 

[christus_vincit]

Aww come on now, dry those tears. It’s not all bad. I hear Russia’s still pretty anti gay. And Uganda. And a lot of the Middle East.

There you are now. Stiff upper lip.

That’s an unfair shot at the OP. She didn’t proclaim to be “anti-gay”. She was protesting gay “marriage”. There’s a difference between the sin and the sinner.

 

[wmw]

The issue that I’ve always had with the word “marriage” being part of the legal lexicon is that it very clearly violates the first amendment. As our government can not establish a state religion, it has no business putting on the trappings of a religious authority by performing religious rites. Would we accept a judge performing a baptism at city hall? A police chief serving communion in a public school?

So why do we accept a justice of the peace performing a marriage?

Because non-religious people want to emulate the good things that Christians do. That is to have stable marriages to raise families within. Of course this was seen as good even before Christianity was a publicly acceptable religion. So back to today it has come full circle, as the public begins to drift further from the guidance of Christian morals of course their reasons for “marriage” are drifting away also.

This drift is an irrational one. We have swayed people into reason with good reasoning always on our side, but the public wants to do feelings, they feel that they will feel better about themselves. It is amazing the cultural unity this feel good movement has. They dare not give it organization or leadership, but there is a concerted effort to push it in particular directions and each faction wants to catch the next wave of feelings. Satan will likely continue to have a big hand in this, but we should not work in the way he does. We need to stick to reason as guided by the Holy Spirit and convert people from drifting with the current into steering with the love and purpose that is within His reasoning.

 

[esieffe]

What does the Bible have to say about end times? [If that is what these are] It isn’t pretty, yet the opportunities for serving God abound. Earth, sadly, is not a botanical garden, it is a training academy, one that comes with high stakes, should we fall from the path and not get back on.

It is so easy to despair during such times. I myself have been so depressed before, I did not think I could get out of bed. It is only through my faith and the gifts from God, that I have been able to survive.

We all can’t be strong all the time. That’s ok too. I think God loves us all the more when we finally pickup and once again walk in his footsteps. It is he that provides us with mana when life leads us through the desert.

:heart :knight1:

 

[Corki]

Aww come on now, dry those tears. It’s not all bad. I hear Russia’s still pretty anti gay. And Uganda. And a lot of the Middle East.

There you are now. Stiff upper lip.

You hit the nail on the head. The values we used to have as Americans are gone or nearly so. You can be sarcastic and call it “anti ‘gay’” but it’s really a loss of a moral compass. It is very sad. I love my country but I really hate the direction it is going. It’s very hard to be an American right now.

 

[Neofight]

So at the end of the day, if people are committing one sin they will be breaking another. Do we demand legislation making any sin illegal?

In the end God’s perfect justice will endure, so why let your heart be troubled and create your own Martha and Mary situation?

Peace and all good!

 

[tawny]

Hey everyone. I am so dismayed, sad, and angry right now with our world. An activist judge just ruled today that “gay marriage” is now legal in my state of Indiana effective immediately! I am so incredibly depressed about this it isn’t even funny.

It is indeed very disheartening.

 

[John_Martin]

Hey everyone. I am so dismayed, sad, and angry right now with our world. An activist judge just ruled today that “gay marriage” is now legal in my state of Indiana effective immediately! I am so incredibly depressed about this it isn’t even funny.

As a Catholic, you are an odd person in the United States and in Indiana. Listen to what one person says about you being Catholic:
you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession…I urge you as sojourners and exiles to abstain from the passions of the flesh, which wage war against your soul. Keep your conduct among the Gentiles honorable, so that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day of visitation.
Another writes about you as a Catholic this way:
(Catholics) live in both Greek and barbarian cities,…and follow the local customs in dress and food and other aspects of life, but at the same time they demonstrate the remarkable and admittedly unusual character of their own citizenship. (Catholics) live in their own countries, but only as nonresidents; they participate in everything as citizens, and endure everything as foreigners. Every foreign country is their homeland, and every homeland is foreign… They live on the earth, but their citizenship is in heaven. … They obey the established laws; indeed in their private lives they transcend the laws…
You are Catholic, Indiana is not Catholic; you are Catholic, the United States is not Catholic. Encourage and vote to persuade Indiana and America to do what is just and moral, but do not be discouraged as if somehow it degrades your life if they choose what is unjust or immoral - you are still light shining in a dark place. America is not that light - you are that light, you who are Catholic.

(by the way, your first Pope in his first Encyclical wrote the first quote, and one of the early Church Fathers wrote the second in a letter explaining Catholics to a Pagan named Diognetus, and your King told his people they were the light to the world where they find themselves)

John Martin

 

[drew_neill]

Right or wrong they pay taxes and should have the same rights and advantages that everyone else enjoys. They should be able to get a mortgage, visit each other in the hospital, insurance benefits, etc.

 

[John_Martin]

Right or wrong they pay taxes and should have the same rights and advantages that everyone else enjoys. They should be able to get a mortgage, visit each other in the hospital, insurance benefits, etc.

These laws are not about tax breaks, they are about legitimizing sexual relations and intercourse between a man and a man or a woman with a woman, and more pointedly, about making the goal of sexuality be personal pleasure rather than reproduction of the people. The pleasure of sexuality is part of the goal of sexuality, meant for those who use it in accord with its purpose, and not as an end in itself. Homosexual acts are “disordered” because they have no intention of using the sperm and the egg for their goal of a baby that will enhance the world.

The argument of “tax breaks” is a sophistry to gain sympathy while also glossing over the real goal of legitimizing disordered behavior.

John Martin

 

[Sparkythedog]

That’s an unfair shot at the OP. She didn’t proclaim to be “anti-gay”. She was protesting gay “marriage”. There’s a difference between the sin and the sinner.

Unless the OP is a large country in Eurasia, I didn’t make any statement about her being anti gay.

 

[Neofight]

These laws are not about tax breaks, they are about legitimizing sexual relations and intercourse between a man and a man or a woman with a woman, and more pointedly, about making the goal of sexuality be personal pleasure rather than reproduction of the people. The pleasure of sexuality is part of the goal of sexuality, meant for those who use it in accord with its purpose, and not as an end in itself. Homosexual acts are “disordered” because they have no intention of using the sperm and the egg for their goal of a baby that will enhance the world.

The argument of “tax breaks” is a sophistry to gain sympathy while also glossing over the real goal of legitimizing disordered behavior.

John Martin

Laws legalize, they don’t legitimize…if you allow laws to legitimize gay marriage, that’s your bad, not the government’s.

 

[schaeffer]

These laws are not about tax breaks, they are about legitimizing sexual relations and intercourse between a man and a man or a woman with a woman, and more pointedly, about making the goal of sexuality be personal pleasure rather than reproduction of the people. The pleasure of sexuality is part of the goal of sexuality, meant for those who use it in accord with its purpose, and not as an end in itself. Homosexual acts are “disordered” because they have no intention of using the sperm and the egg for their goal of a baby that will enhance the world.

The argument of “tax breaks” is a sophistry to gain sympathy while also glossing over the real goal of legitimizing disordered behavior.

John Martin

No, really they are not about legitimizing sex between whom ever and whomever. They are about allowing two adults to form a civil contract that comes with certain benefits and responsibilities.

Sexual morality cannot be governed. People will do what they will do with whomever they choose to do it with. Marriage is not only or primarily about sex. It is also about property, financial responsibilities etc. It existed before the Catholic Church.

No religious order is required by government to bless a union, no matter the genders of the partners.

I know many churches, Catholic and otherwise that have refused their blessing on marriages between a man and a woman because they did not fit their criteria, however those people’s marriage are and should be recognized by the government because they are legal civil unions.

If the government refuses to recognize civil unions between one couple of adults, then there is nothing to stop them from refusing to recognize a similar marriage between another couple for whatever reason some particular group would like to see them denied it.

It was not long ago in our own country that mixed race couples were denied marriage. There are countries where people of certain faiths are denied marriage. Who gets to decide? One day someone in the US could decide they didn’t agree with Catholic doctrine and decide Catholics will not be allowed to enter civil unions.

There are many people I’ve seen married that I thought should not be, but it’s not my right to choose, and thankfully, my neighbors did not get to vote on whether or not they approved of my choice of spouse.

You can choose to have sex with whomever you want as long as they are age of consent and consenting partners, no one needs the government to put a stamp of approval or disapproval on it.

 

[Natasha_Roxwell]

OP, why happiness and social protection of gay couples and their children bother you?

Someone forces you to marry your girlfriend?

Btw I do remember you saying that you have a mental illness. This + religious fanaticism is a bad mixture. You should take care of yourself and see a mental health professional.

but it’s really a loss of a moral compass. It is very sad. I love my country but I really hate the direction it is going. It’s very hard to be an American right now.

Nostalgia for the times when Christianity ruled with an iron fist and Christians committed crimes against The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, when they waged war against Nature , Science,Reality, Reason and Humankind is kinda sweet I’d say.

No wonder you find the countries where these atrocities are still committed based on faith and religious doctrine so appealing.

the goal of sexuality be personal pleasure rather than reproduction of the people.

You really should read more about animal kingdom(humans are part of this kingdom). Human sexuality as well as animals(mammals) sexuality has never been only about reproduction.
And don’t you worry about reproduction. Gay people reproduce just fine atm.

And in the future women won’t have to go through pregnancy at all. We will growing babies via pure scientific wonders.