I am so glad I don't hear prosperity preaching

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When I hear some of these televangelists I just cringe…When did Christianity become about getting stuff?

This so called claim it a name it, and give to get is really disgusting…I hardly think that wealth is a measure of someones walk with God…I wonder how they explain suffering to their flock with an attitude like this

Many very holy people suffered terribly, and were poor as church mice…I have never heard prosperity gospel ever preached, and if it ever is, I am going to walk out of mass
 
When I hear some of these televangelists I just cringe…When did Christianity become about getting stuff?

This so called claim it a name it, and give to get is really disgusting…I hardly think that wealth is a measure of someones walk with God…I wonder how they explain suffering to their flock with an attitude like this

Many very holy people suffered terribly, and were poor as church mice…I have never heard prosperity gospel ever preached, and if it ever is, I am going to walk out of mass
I here you! (Except for the part about walking out of Mass.)

In all fairness, very many Protestants heartily repudiate the false Prosperity Gospel I heard a lot of it as a Protestent, from various sources; but I also heard a lot of preaching against it.

It seems to have originated in Calvinism. According to Calvinism, only the elect (= pretty much randomly chosed by God) will be saved in the end, and there’s nothing you or they can do about it. I remember reading an early American pastor’s journal entries. Toward the end of his over twenty year career write that he was terrified that he was not one of the elect.

According to the Calvinism of the time, material wealth was a sign of God’s blessing, and those who did not have it were highly suspect of being irrevokably damned. What a terrifying and horrible false doctrine!

I think this belief has saturated American culture and carried over to the soft TV preaching crowd, among many others. Joel Osteen is one of many who often advances this gospel. As an aside, Fr. Benedict Groeschel wrote a book called “The Virtue Driven Life,” in apparent contrast to Mr. Osteen’s “Purpose Driven Life.” 😃

Both Protestants and Catholics will see that experience does not support the Prosperity Gospel theory–that God blesses those who follow him best materially. Notice how many of the saints died young from horrible diseases.

To illustrate the point, I’ll tell you a parable my friend came up with to illustrate the difference between the Protestant “Prosperity Gospel” and Catholicism:

A Christian driving down an abondoned highway sees a desperate looking man staggering down the side of the road carrying a gas can. Being charitable, he pulls to a stop and asks him what he needs. “My car ran out of gas a few miles back. All I need is five dollars for gas and a ride to the gas station and back to my car. I’m so tired I don’t think I can make it one my own–besides, I’m broke!” The Christian eyes his gas gauge nervously–it’s near E, and he knows he only has five dollars. “But Christ died for me,” he thinks to himself, “So I must sacrifice for this man. The Lord will provide according to His will.” He takes the man to the gas station, gives him the five dollars to fill up his gas can, and gives him a ride back to his car. The man thanks him profusely as he pulls away.

ENDING A: PROSPERITY GOSPEL ENDING
He makes it all the way back to the gas station when his car starts sputtering and dies right next to the pump. Not knowing what to do, he stops in the restroom only to find an envelope on top of the urinel. On the outside is written “God’s Told Me to Leave This Here,” and on the inside is fifty dollars. The man rejoices and makes it all the way home. Ten years later he gets a cashiers check in the mail for fifty thousand dollars. Attached is a note that says “You helped me when I had nothing. Now I’m rich, and God has repaid you ten thousand times over!”

ENDING B: CATHOLIC ENDING
He makes halfway back to the gas station before his car runs out of gas. He gets out and walks ten miles to the gas station, sweaty and hot. When he gets there he begs for help but the attendent tell him to get lost. So not knowing what to do, he walks back toward his car only to find that someone has refilled it with gas–and stolen it. A homeless-looking man approaches him and demands money. He says “Friend, I’m a penniless as you are. But I will do all I can for you–I will ask God to bless you!” The homeless-looking man, not satisfied, shoots him and leaves him for dead. The Christian dies young, unknown, and penniless, but trusting in God, but Angels usher him into glory.
 
I don’t know about it’s origins but I know greed is a cardinal sin, and I can’t figure out how they can justify it
 
I don’t know about it’s origins but I know greed is a cardinal sin, and I can’t figure out how they can justify it
They don’t see it as greed. But indeed, that false doctrine certainly leads to greed.

But they wouldn’t know what a “Cardinal Sin” was. Cardinal sins as Cardinal sins are not part of the Sola Scriptura tradition!
 
when I hear things like this I am always so humbly greatful I am a Catholic…:o
 
God save all here.

In addition to the Calvinist influence, remember that the majority of these “evangelical” churches were invented in England during the Victorian Era, a period of rising prosperity and imperial expansion for the British. These churches had to justify theologically the newfound riches which some of their members were accumulating. I saw the spread of these same prosperity-oriented denominations when I lived in Central America, where some people began to grow wealthy during the 90’s from the neo-liberalization of their economies, and in some cases, from the burgeoning drug trade in the region.

Contrast those churches’ teachings with those of the Pentecostal sects that operate in poor regions of Appalachia, many of which were also formed in 18th and 19th century Britain. Quite a different emphasis!
 
Makes you wonder . . . they preach prosperity, and one of the GIFTS of the Rosary (third joyful mystery, the birth of Jesus) is poverty.

Think I shall choose God’s gifts over man’s.
 
I think this belief has saturated American culture and carried over to the soft TV preaching crowd, among many others. Joel Osteen is one of many who often advances this gospel. As an aside, Fr. Benedict Groeschel wrote a book called “The Virtue Driven Life,” in apparent contrast to Mr. Osteen’s “Purpose Driven Life.” 😃
Just a side note, Joel Osteen wrote Your Best Life Now and Rick Warren wrote Purpose Driven Life.

But back to the topic, I’m glad we don’t have to hear this too. I have a Pentecostal friend here at work and she doesn’t like it either so I agree with the PP that not all Protestants like the “health & wealth” gospel. However I have some that consider them “their preachers”.🤷
 
Just a side note, Joel Osteen wrote Your Best Life Now and Rick Warren wrote Purpose Driven Life.

But back to the topic, I’m glad we don’t have to hear this too. I have a Pentecostal friend here at work and she doesn’t like it either so I agree with the PP that not all Protestants like the “health & wealth” gospel. However I have some that consider them “their preachers”.🤷
Ah yes, I get those two confused. 😃
 
IIt seems to have originated in Calvinism. …
Actually, I think you will find the prosperity preachers associated with Arminianism not Calvinism. The prosperity preachers I’m aware of are all Pentacostals…

Pentacostals came out of the Holiness movement of the late 1800s which came out of Methodism, which is Arminian in origin, not Calvinist.

Rick Warren wrote the Purpose Driven Life, not Joel Osteen.

It’s my understanding that Catholicism embraces both Arminian theology as well as Calvinist theology (predestination)–both schools of thought are acceptable as I understand it…

On another note, I agree that prosperity preaching is heresy and as a Protestant (mildly Calivinist) I’m embarrassed by those televangelists who prey upon peoples greed and weakness preaching a Gospel Jesus wouldn’t have recognized.
 
Actually, I think you will find the prosperity preachers associated with Arminianism not Calvinism. The prosperity preachers I’m aware of are all Pentacostals…

Pentacostals came out of the Holiness movement of the late 1800s which came out of Methodism, which is Arminian in origin, not Calvinist.

Rick Warren wrote the Purpose Driven Life, not Joel Osteen.

It’s my understanding that Catholicism embraces both Arminian theology as well as Calvinist theology (predestination)–both schools of thought are acceptable as I understand it…
There are some in both groups, then. I have heard my fair share from Calvinist-leaning traditions. Not surprising, really. People naturally look for an excuse to put too much emphasis on their own personal wealth. 😃
 
If one can judge how much God loves them by their material wealth, then I am seriously SOL.
 
Interesting that this topic came up. I attended a “Get Motivated” seminar this past Tuesday in an attempt to extend my holiday weekend, and I ended up right in the middle of a prosperity preaching event. I assumed it was a purely secular gathering, and I was fairly shocked by most of what was said. I guess it was my penance for skipping work 🙂
 
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