I am so tired Hollywood and their AntiCatholicism

[Jim_B]

My Fellow Catholics,
While none of us enjoy the anti-Catholic attitude so prevalent in the current culture, we should take consolation in the fact that Jesus told us it would be this way (“No servant is greater than the master. If they have hated me they will hate you also.”_
Our dear Bishop Bruskewitz (yes, I live in Lincoln, NE) has written a series of articles on the “5th Mark of the Church”. Besides being One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic, we are also persecuted.
“Blest are you when they persecute you and utter every slander against you for my name’s sake. On that day rejoice and be glad, for your reward will be great in heaven.”
Christ put up with a lot of resentment. Let us follow our Master in confidence, knowing that our reward awaits us.

God Love Ya!
Jim from Lincoln

 

[milimac]

…in their world only abortion and gay marriage are serious issues.

Kill off the next generation and destroy families and you’ll have even more serious issues to worry about – that is if there’s much of anyone left to worry about it.

 

[havemercy]

Oh calm yourself, Bill Donohue.

Did anyone see him on The World Over on EWTN this week? He was hilarious. He knocked the microphone over twice because he was so excitable.

 

[blessedtoo]

Oh calm yourself, Bill Donohue.

Did anyone see him on The World Over on EWTN this week? He was hilarious. He knocked the microphone over twice because he was so excitable.

Bill Donohue rocks! God bless Bill Donohue! He reminds me of myself when I get talking about this topic with friends!

 

[Contarini]

I was watching Million Dollar Baby this weekend with a family friend who attends Churches of Christ, and in one of the scenes one character got scoffed with profanity by a Priest. The family friend was repulsed by a cursing Priest. Obviously the friend reacted just the way Hollywood wanted him too!

Yes, right. We know that Hollywood understands conservative Protestants and caters to their prejudices. . . .

Some of your other points are valid, but I saw that movie too and I didn’t get the impression that the priest was portrayed in a negative light. I think the point was more that the Eastwood character was so obsessive about his religion (because of guilt) that the priest lost patience (if I’m thinking of the right scene). Hollywood doesn’t think twice of profanity. You’re making them out to be oddly prudish!

I thought Million Dollar Baby was an excellent movie from a religious/moral point of view because it raised a very difficult issue and didn’t offer an easy answer. After all, Eastwood’s character seems to feel (and other characters agree with him) that he’s put himself beyond redemption by committing euthanasia. It’s not like the movie says “it’s OK–it’s obviously the best thing to do.”

The problem is that a lot of folks want movies to give simplistic answers to everything and to refrain from portraying their religion in a bad light. That’s highly unfair.

But of course there is a lot of garbage out there–I’m not arguing with that.

Edwin

 

[Contarini]

I don’t see how you can be Jewish and anti-catholic, it just doesn’t mix.

Why on earth not? Just to take one example, part of the “liberalism” that your hero “Blessed Pius IX” railed against involved giving Jews equal rights in European society. Why on earth wouldn’t Jews be anti-Catholic when the Catholic Church has so often acted as their enemy?

Edwin

 

[bones_IV]

Why on earth not? Just to take one example, part of the “liberalism” that your hero “Blessed Pius IX” railed against involved giving Jews equal rights in European society. Why on earth wouldn’t Jews be anti-Catholic when the Catholic Church has so often acted as their enemy?

Edwin

Only in the figment of your imagination. “It was he who liberated the Jews from their ghetto in Rome, abrogated the undignified tasks they were forced to carry out, and had their streets patrolled to protect them from a popular uprising against the ghetto’s emancipation.” How dare you insult my hero, I pity people like you.

ewtn.com/piusix_johnxxiii/piusix_history.htm

Where’s your overwhelming evidence? Don’t see any.

 

[Valke2]

Only in the figment of your imagination. “It was he who liberated the Jews from their ghetto in Rome, abrogated the undignified tasks they were forced to carry out, and had their streets patrolled to protect them from a popular uprising against the ghetto’s emancipation.” How dare you insult my hero, I pity people like you.

ewtn.com/piusix_johnxxiii/piusix_history.htm

Where’s your overwhelming evidence? Don’t see any.

In July 1943, Mussolini is removed from power. Germany will ocuppy Italy in September, at which time Italy begins deporting Jews to Auschwitz. During the 45 day period before German occupation, many people in Italy thought that the repressive anti-Jewish laws that Mussolini had instituted would be revoked. At this time Father Tacchi Venturi met with the new Italian minister of the interior to propopse changes in the laws that would benefit Jewish converts to Catholicism.

Regarding the other laws that relegated Jews to second class citizens or worse, Venturi assured Cardinal Magilone that he had not “alluded in any way to the total abrogation of laws which, according to the principles and tradition of the Catholic Church, have some dispositions that should be abrogated but contain others worthy of confirmation.”

This statement was made after millions of Jews had already been murdered in Poland and in the Soviet Union, a fact that the Vatican was aware of. For some reason however, it still approved the denial of full civil rights to Jews and their legal seperation from Christians. See ADSS, IX, doc. 317, Tacchi Venturi to Maglione, 8/29/43, 458-59.

 

[Contarini]

Only in the figment of your imagination. “It was he who liberated the Jews from their ghetto in Rome, abrogated the undignified tasks they were forced to carry out, and had their streets patrolled to protect them from a popular uprising against the ghetto’s emancipation.” How dare you insult my hero, I pity people like you.

ewtn.com/piusix_johnxxiii/piusix_history.htm

Where’s your overwhelming evidence? Don’t see any.

He did open the ghetto early on, but he reinstituted it after his exile in 1850. (My immediate source for this is wikipedia, but this is what I have heard/read from several sources; the most authoritative source I’ve read on this subject is Owen Chadwick’s A History of the Popes 1830-1914, which I don’t have in front of me right now. I don’t think the fact of his reinstituting the ghetto is in doubt.)

Note that I didn’t accuse him of specific actions. I said that the emancipation of Jews (including his own early initiatives) was part of a liberal trend in 19th-century Europe. After the 1848 revolution and his exile he turned against liberalism and eventually denounced it in the words you use for your signature.

Let me repeat what I said: I said that the “liberalism” he denounced was responsible for Jews having equal rights and freedoms. Therefore, the Catholic Church’s opposition to liberalism was in part an opposition to Jewish emancipation. You’re right that Pius’s early actions are the main counterexample to this. Unfortunately this turned out to be a brief glitch both in his career and in general Catholic policy in the 19th century.

Edwin

 

[bones_IV]

In July 1943, Mussolini is removed from power. Germany will ocuppy Italy in September, at which time Italy begins deporting Jews to Auschwitz. During the 45 day period before German occupation, many people in Italy thought that the repressive anti-Jewish laws that Mussolini had instituted would be revoked. At this time Father Tacchi Venturi met with the new Italian minister of the interior to propopse changes in the laws that would benefit Jewish converts to Catholicism.

Regarding the other laws that relegated Jews to second class citizens or worse, Venturi assured Cardinal Magilone that he had not “alluded in any way to the total abrogation of laws which, according to the principles and tradition of the Catholic Church, have some dispositions that should be abrogated but contain others worthy of confirmation.”

This statement was made after millions of Jews had already been murdered in Poland and in the Soviet Union, a fact that the Vatican was aware of. For some reason however, it still approved the denial of full civil rights to Jews and their legal seperation from Christians. See ADSS, IX, doc. 317, Tacchi Venturi to Maglione, 8/29/43, 458-59.

And your point being what exactly? If your accusing Pius XII of anti-semitism your crossing the line sir.

 

[rpp]

He did open the ghetto early on, but he reinstituted it after his exile in 1850. (My immediate source for this is wikipedia, …

Yes, wikipedia, an unimpeachable source.

Not!

 

[Valke2]

And your point being what exactly? If your accusing Pius XII of anti-semitism your crossing the line sir.

I thought I stated my point clearly. The Church did not take the opportunity to address the unjust laws regarding Jews in Italy after the fall of Mussolini and before the German occupation. And it seemed content to let those laws stand.

 

[rpp]

I thought I stated my point clearly. The Church did not take the opportunity to address the unjust laws regarding Jews in Italy after the fall of Mussolini and before the German occupation. And it seemed content to let those laws stand.

That is a seriously ridiculous line of reasoning. You have no idea what was going on in the Europe under Nazi occupation when people who merely expressed a lack of understanding summarily were imprisoned and/or executed.

You also utterly ignore the fact that thousdands of jews, most non-Christians, were being sheltered in the Vatican itself. Combine that with the fact that unlike occupied France, most of Italy’s jews survived and were not deported. It appears that what you wrote is is both a grave and gross distortion of the facts.

I hope you are merely repeating false anti-Catholic propaganda by authors of books like “Hitler’s Pope”. I truly hope you do not believe these horrific lies.

But then I think we are getting a bit off topic here.

 

[Contarini]

Yes, wikipedia, an unimpeachable source.

Not!

Are you deliberately ignoring the word “immediate”? I gave a scholarly source for my knowledge of Pius IX, but I am not in a library right now and wikipedia was available. I would not offer this if I did not have good reason to believe that it was common knowledge.

Please feel free to check up on this. Go look at Chadwick or any other good scholarly source on Pius IX.

Edwin

 

[Valke2]

That is a seriously ridiculous line of reasoning. You have no idea what was going on in the Europe under Nazi occupation when people who merely expressed a lack of understanding summarily were imprisoned and/or executed.

You also utterly ignore the fact that thousdands of jews, most non-Christians, were being sheltered in the Vatican itself. Combine that with the fact that unlike occupied France, most of Italy’s jews survived and were not deported. It appears that what you wrote is is both a grave and gross distortion of the facts.

I hope you are merely repeating false anti-Catholic propaganda by authors of books like “Hitler’s Pope”. I truly hope you do not believe these horrific lies.

But then I think we are getting a bit off topic here.

I ignore nothing. that individual catholics and others took it upon themselves to save Jews is not relevant to my post.) ANd I am talking about a report that was made after Mussolini was deposed and before Italy was occuppied by Germany. There was no external pressure at that time to keep such laws in place.
To say what I wrote is a grave distortion of facts is a little silly. I cited my sources. You are free to check them out.

 

[Valke2]

. Combine that with the fact that unlike occupied France, most of Italy’s jews survived and were not deported. It appears that what you wrote is is both a grave and gross distortion of the facts.

Yes, the Italian government generally interferred when it could with the deportation of Jews. But this has more to do with Italy than the Vatican.

 

[bones_IV]

I ignore nothing. that individual catholics and others took it upon themselves to save Jews is not relevant to my post.) ANd I am talking about a report that was made after Mussolini was deposed and before Italy was occuppied by Germany. There was no external pressure at that time to keep such laws in place.
To say what I wrote is a grave distortion of facts is a little silly. I cited my sources. You are free to check them out.

That’s a flat out lie and it seems that your just simply goading us. Please read the Church’s documents before making such ignoramous statements. Pius XII revealed that people through no fault of their own were put to death because of their race, nationality ect. The Church doesn’t take sides during war.

 

[bones_IV]

Yes, the Italian government generally interferred when it could with the deportation of Jews. But this has more to do with Italy than the Vatican.

Liar.

 

[DonProfondo]

Can’t go to the movies anymore because it’s all garbage and they expect you to pay 12 dollars for it. Can’t rent DVD’s because it’s just the recycled garbage from the theatres. Can’t watch TV because it’s worse than the theatres. Even channels I used to think were inoffensive (History Channel, HGTV, CNN) now make me sick. So now I am left with the Food Network and occasionally FOX. So I spend my time here, with EWTN on the radio in the background.

Hey, me too! Give me Alton Brown, Marcus Grodi, and Fr. Groeschel, and the rest of the channels… who needs them?

 

[Valke2]

That’s a flat out lie and it seems that your just simply goading us. Please read the Church’s documents before making such ignoramous statements. Pius XII revealed that people through no fault of their own were put to death because of their race, nationality ect. The Church doesn’t take sides during war.

People have a habit of calling posts they disagree with “lies” and then attempting to prove that they are lies by saying something totally unrelated to what was posted. What is the point of telling me PIus XII said “people through no fault of their own…” HOw does that address my post regarding a specific report made to a specific Cardinal? And my responding to posts about the very issue of the Church and Jews is not a “goad”. If anyone’s goading, it is the poster who raised the issue in the first place.