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dixieagle
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“Only Sunday Mass or Vigil Masses on Saturday fulfill the Sunday obligation.”
Canon 1248.1 See previous posts.
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Canon 1248.1 See previous posts.
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Cristiano
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If you were to read my post in its totality you would see that my statement is exactly aligned with what CCL 1248 says. If you still disagree please prove to me that any Mass that is not celebrated on Sunday or on Sunday’s vigil satisfies the obligation.
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silicasandra
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OK, now I am confused. I was married on a Saturday (at a Nuptial Mass in the afternoon, before the Vigil Mass), like many people are. Our priest, IIRC, said that we did NOT have to attend Mass the next day and that our Sunday obligation was fulfilled. I could have misunderstood him, or I could be remembering wrong, but my husband and I did not attend Mass the next day. Should we have?
(And was it different for our guests, since they did not “assist” if I am reading the law correctly?)
(And was it different for our guests, since they did not “assist” if I am reading the law correctly?)
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joanofarc2008
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He may have given you a dispensation.
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silicasandra
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That makes sense. I wonder if that is a common practice, perhaps giving rise to the confusion about whether or not Nuptial Masses celebrated before evening satisfy the Sunday obligation.
So the answer is: they don’t, but occasionally/often the priest may give a dispensation for the happy couple. (Right?
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dixieagle
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I did read it in its totality, several times, and understood you to say that only if a Mass on Saturday evening is the parish “vigil” Mass, does it fulfill the obligation. (It would actually be a Mass of Anticipation, I believe.)
If you agree that a Saturday Nuptial Mass celebrated at the time regarded as “evening” (4 pm or later seems to be the most commonly accepted time) fulfills the obligation, then we are on the same page.
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Cristiano
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No at the end I said “…Mass is scheduled on Saturdays before the times when the Mass would be considered a Vigil Mass.”. I was not referring to a scheduled parish mass but to a time. However, now that you explain the details I see how someone would read into it the way you did it. I am glad that we have the same understanding, and the correct one I hope.
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dixieagle
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“Assist” in this context means “attend” or “participate”.
Our girls were both married at Saturday afternoon Nuptial Masses at 2:30 pm and went to Mass with us in a large family group the next morning. It is understood In our diocese that anything before 4 pm doesn’t fulfill the obligation, but that often opens a whole new can of worms!!!
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dixieagle
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Semantics
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silicasandra
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OK, so the obligation still stands unless a dispensation is granted.
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irishcolleen45
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That’s what I understood. My husband and I were granted a dispensation back in 1974.OK, so the obligation still stands unless a dispensation is granted.
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Tenebrae
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Phemie
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Sarabande
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I’m finding that it is becoming more and more common, especially this past year. Over this year, I have cantored many Sunday afternoon/early Sunday evening nuptial masses. My feeling is that the costs for having the reception and the use of other vendors is more affordable than a Saturday evening wedding. I remember it being much more affordable when I got married a few years back, but most Catholic churches were not permitting Sunday weddings at the time.
In regards to Saturday nuptial masses. Whenever I’ve cantored a nuptial mass that started 4:00 p.m. or later, the priest will usually make an announcement that it fulfilled their Sunday obligation. This has been in numerous churches.
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FrDavid96
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At the time your marriage took place, the 1917 Code of Canon Law was still in effect. At that time, a Saturday evening Mass was not permitted. All Masses had to be in the morning. However (and this is a very important “however”) the bishop had the authority to permit what used to be called the “anticipated Mass” on Sat. evening (as well as other Masses after Noon).
That’s why we cannot compare what happened in 1974 to what’s happening today. The 1917 code and the 1983 code said different things, although much of what used to be done by way of indults and dispensations under the old code have now been made the law itself.
The difference in the two codes can cause some confusion when we try to compare situations from different time periods. In '74 you were granted a dispensation. Both legitimate and necessary. Today, the dispensation would not be necessary, nor would one be appropriate.
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FrDavid96
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This is like any other Sunday. Yes, the obligation still stands, but the priest cannot grant a dispensation to “make the Mass at 3 PM count for Sunday.” Instead, he can dispense from the Sunday obligation, or commute that obligation to something else–like for example “in substitution, attend Mass on Sat. at 3.”OK, so the obligation still stands unless a dispensation is granted.
I know that sounds like 2 ways of saying the same thing. The point is that the priest cannot change what pertains to the Mass, but he can dispense individual persons from the Sunday obligation.
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